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| Concolor | 5 Dec 2009, 05:47 AM Post #151 |
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Now you make it sound like they are unchangeable again. So what did you mean when you said: "[...]so these principals should remain and yet change with mans imput". An atheist, as a person, doesn't need to have any unchangeable beliefs. If a person does not believe in a personal, supernatural deity, then that person is an Atheist. If the same person starts believing in one or more theistic Gods then that person is no longer an Atheist. Atheism isn't a club. It's a definition. It's like calling someone a non-red-sweatered person. If he put's on a red sweater, he stops being a non-red-sweatered person. No one kicked him out of (or forced him to stay in) the non-red-sweater club. It's just a word invented to describe a person who does not wear a red sweater. This comes from the girl who tried to say "this is true because the curator of some museum said so"? Less meta-talk more action, please. ![]() For some reason you wanted to see some non-Christian commandments. I've already spent rant after rant explaining what and why I think is problematic with trying to sum things up into "fix-all" rules, so I don't make such rules myself. But as a good little boy I ran out and found you some. Now what do you not like about them? |
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| Deleted User | 5 Dec 2009, 06:09 AM Post #152 |
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just what i said the ten comandants should remain the same yet they change with mans input being a Christian isnt a Club either its a definition a name describing a group of ppl-but Atheists share common beleifs -if they dont then they are not an Athiest -so its an unchangeable beleif while you tout being here to discover truth or learn from others...... the girl didnt try to say anything-it was the curator of the Australian Museum ??!! i wanted to see some of the morals YOU live by-if you dont live by any just say so-they dont have to be fix-all you seem to have stuck this prerequisite in to avoid exposing your beleifs
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| Concolor | 5 Dec 2009, 07:03 AM Post #153 |
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So they remain the same, but they also change. No no and more no. No belief is unchangeable. I'm wearing a white t-shirt today, and so I am a white-t-shirtian. Tomorrow I might be a red-t-shirtian. The definition is the same, just as the definitian of a white-t-shirtian is the same. That does not mean that my t-shirt is unchangeable. And just like I might put on a red t-shirt tomorrow, I might have new beliefs that would put me in the category of a deist or a theist tomorrow. The only thing I need is to have a better reason to believe in something else than what I believe in today. This is not really hard. I have changed by beliefs hundreds of times in my life. As soon as I am presented with beliefs that are conflicting with my current ones I try my best to hold them both up to the available facts of the physical reality and see which one fits the best. Most of the time, the new belief is better and I must change my beliefs. Sometimes the old belief is better and I stick to that one until next time it is challenged. Remember that as a student of science I have had even my deepest beliefs about reality toppled and replaced. I can still remember the day I learnt about the wave-particle duality. I was shocked to the core. The idea that matter, like electrons, was consisting of solid little balls formed the very lenses of the glasses through which I saw reality. And now they could suddenly be waves? I was baffled and amazed. But we conducted the double-slit experiment with the cathod-ray and I could not deny that this new belief was compatible with reality in a way that my old belief was not. I was humbled, but also filled with new ideas and thoughts about this new reality. But I have already told you that the morals I live by is to use our rationality to get the best results from our emotions of empathy. When we feel the need to help someone who is starving, morality is finding the best way we can to help everyone who are starving and also to not just feed the one person we see that is hungry. Morality is seeking together with other humans to try to establish a common ground to help us more effectively protect those who are weak and need help. And exposing my beliefs seems sometimes to hurt people, so perhaps I should be more careful to do so
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| Deleted User | 5 Dec 2009, 07:17 AM Post #154 |
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no you being abusive hurts ppl -if you dont know how to handle that it could be a random point of your life since your life according to you is because your mummy and daddy decided to have you ?!?! anyway your entitled to your opinion if you are abusive its your choice seems you do like reporting things tho-rather than state your thoughts to the person so -your morals change to whatever looks or sounds good at the time? you base them on your empathy even when you lack empathy and your into feeding the masses same Jesus does it with a couple of fish and a few loaves of bread.... |
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| Concolor | 5 Dec 2009, 07:38 AM Post #155 |
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And you are quite certain that no one ever feels your behavior to be abusive? The point is that my morals is not a specific set of rules, it is a method for trying to find the best course of action in a given situation. I do not claim to have perfect empathy, that would be impossible. I do claim to do my best with what I have. |
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| Deleted User | 5 Dec 2009, 08:13 AM Post #156 |
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oh i hope i dont hurt ppls feelings and that if i was being abusive they would let me knowwhy do you claim to do the best with what you have-how do you measure your empathy for others? |
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| Concolor | 5 Dec 2009, 09:09 AM Post #157 |
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I also try not to hurt other peoples feelings, but sometimes it happens. Technically you didn't hurt anyones feelings there, but for all you know you could have. Most importantly I recognize the fact that your intentions were not to hurt anyone, that makes it a lot harder for me to take offence at anything you say. Because I think that it is true. If you want to measure someones empathic abilities quantitatively, you can go to a psychologist. They have several tests they can use, and you can also do a brain-scan while being exposed to information about situations regarding other people. They use some of these tests regularly to diagnose psychopaths, people who lack empathy. Not surprisingly, many psychopaths behave as if they have little or no morals. |
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| Deleted User | 5 Dec 2009, 09:15 AM Post #158 |
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have you ever tested your empathy like this? |
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| Concolor | 5 Dec 2009, 09:17 AM Post #159 |
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Not the brain scan, but similar tests yes. |
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| Deleted User | 5 Dec 2009, 09:22 AM Post #160 |
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like what are these tests names and are they by clinical psychologists in which country-i would love to look at this |
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| Concolor | 5 Dec 2009, 10:05 AM Post #161 |
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Well, many of the tests based on C. G. Jung's type-psychology explore the empathy of the individual being tested as one of the personality-dimensions probed. The Interpersonal Reactivity Index (IRI) proposed by Davis in 1980 is another tool often used. The introduction part of this article lists a series of some of the more influential papers published on this. Here is an example of the use of a model made by Cobb in 1976. |
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| Deleted User | 7 Dec 2009, 03:57 AM Post #162 |
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theres a lot of information there -i looked at the sage website once before a while ago its interesting to note that most findings concluded that those that acted most empathically behaved most altruistically - it makes sense to look toward Jesus- who displayed the ultimate act of self sacrifice in dying on the cross for our sins. |
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| Concolor | 7 Dec 2009, 04:27 AM Post #163 |
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Yes empathy is what gives us our moral imperative, so higher levels of empathy leads to more moral behavior. A lot of inspirational figures like Jesus and Buddha can be great examples of people with high levels of empathy. In Jesus' case I think it's easier to be inspired by what he did and said while he was alive than just him dying. I mean, if he was God, and died to appease God, couldn't he just shake his own hand and call it a day? |
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| Deleted User | 7 Dec 2009, 04:33 AM Post #164 |
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God all-knowing redeemed man by becoming flesh dying for all our transgressions and making a way for everlasting life whilst still staying a fair and just God to all. the wages of sin is death Jesus is the only option to be reconciled he covers your sin in Gods eyes |
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| Concolor | 7 Dec 2009, 05:12 AM Post #165 |
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But Jesus is God. Why does Jesus have to cover my sin in his own eyes. Couldn't he just cover his own eyes in the first place? |
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and that if i was being abusive they would let me know
6:47 PM Jul 10