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| Midst Of Vampy | 25 Apr 2010, 10:10 PM Post #136 |
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Who says the Bible is right? Do you even know who wrote it? Who says that the person who wrote it is not completely insane? Homosexuality is as much as a sin is as being in love with the opposite sex. Tell me people, do you follow the rules in the Bible? Nobody has proof that God is real. Does anyone know of something that can actually PROVE that he is real in the first place? Anger is not a sin. If God is real, who created him, then who created that person, ect. God couldn't be real because there was nothing to create things from. There wasn't even a nothing there. God does not exist. The Bible is wrong. Plus, if there was a god, there would not just be one. There would be many more. Does it make people sinners if they believe in a different god? There is no proof that the gods that other people believe in are not real as well. Furthermore, I think that if there is a god, it's not just one. |
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| Concolor | 26 Apr 2010, 11:36 AM Post #137 |
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Hehe, @Vampira7426: This is how religion looks from the outside. I can assure you I have quite good reasons to believe that it looks radically different from the inside. How (and why) people manage to stay inside, now that is the interesting question ![]() @Luemas: Why? If God will forgive your sin, why cast it off? |
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26 Apr 2010, 04:13 PM Post #138 |
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Because, if you truly love God, you will follow his commands. And yes, I do know who wrote it. In fact, several people wrote it, the least of which being Paul, John, Matthew, Luke, James, King David, King Solomon, Jeremiah, Isaiah, the list goes on. All inspired by God. Why you say? Well even if they were all insane, as you say, how many crazy people do you know that tell the same story? What contradictions do you have for the Bible? And Vampira, you just proved that God is real. How you ask? You asked the end all question, everything has cause and effect, the same applies for the Big Bang theory. There has to be an independent source for existence that was self-existent, satisfying etc. Otherwise there would be no life. And this self existent creature would certainly be higher on the rung, having been around for all time, and before time. And what is your proof for their being more than one God? Why not just one? Why does one need multiple to rule over one planet, one universe? Think about it, universe, the all encompassing, everything there is. There's only, one, so only one God. As for your definitions of sin, if you don't believe in God, you don't believe in sin, because he set's the standard for sin. Not you or me or anybody else |
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| conradw | 26 Apr 2010, 04:14 PM Post #139 |
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Arazec, just so you know baconburgers are not something that the Bible agrees with. Do you ever wear jewellery? In fact, the very fact that you're teaching me what you believe is an unbiblical act. But just to quote you right back at you. Nowadays wearing jewellery is viewed as a normal and positive variant of human sexuality. The jewellery wearing varient does not fall within certain limits in place about women's attire in the bible nor does positivity come from practising something forbidden in the bible. Now I don't know if you do or don't wear jewellery. But my point is this: this Bible is and can be used in ways which are abhorrent to women today. All but the most backwards of us have moved past such a demeaning view of women. Maybe its time to recognise that women aren't the only people to have been persecuted and oppressed? |
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26 Apr 2010, 04:27 PM Post #140 |
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I believe Patrick said this. Why should we follow the legal law for pre- B.C. Jews? You said it yourself, the Bible can be used in ways to demean women. But was that how it was meant? I believe you're referring to 1 Timothy 2:9 Look a verse after it, it says not with expensive clothes and jewelry, but with good deeds. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Jesus spoke similarly of the pharisees, here is a verse from Matthew, that I think demonstrates my point. Matthew 23:25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. Now, Conrad, as you've said before, God is love, and God does love people. All things work together for the good of man ay? Ever hear of tough love? Paul phrases it a bit more gently, but the point is the same. It's the inside that counts, not how you look on the outside. Does that make jewelry sin and evil? I wouldn't say so. It may be a bit excessive, but it's beside the point, he's encouraging them to be proud of themselves as women, and to not succumb to desires to prove themselves to the world through such means. [/Rant] |
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| conradw | 26 Apr 2010, 04:53 PM Post #141 |
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Luemas. While I understand your good intentions - and I commend you for being able to spot that was indeed 1 Timothy 2:9, you've completely ignored what the scripture says. Read the whole chapter and it very much against the notion of independent and self-reliant women. In fact at the end of the chapter it talks about women being saved through childbearing! I thought that this was completely antithetical to the notion of saved through grace alone. He even pulls the trope about it being woman's fault man fell in the first place almost as if he suggests that they should still be paying for it today. If nothing else is clear from this passage, it is very definitely not encouraging women to be proud of themselves as women. Its telling them to know their place. |
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26 Apr 2010, 07:11 PM Post #142 |
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ZOINK! I felt like saying that. 1 Timothy 3:11 In the same way, their wives are to be women worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything. Maybe proud was a bad word, but they should still, be women. They shouldn't attempt to be men, and here's a thought. Women, at the time, weren't educated? Correct. Paul, also mentions, how a teacher must be, surprisingly, able to teach. If anything, the reason why women were forbid to teach, was because they were forbid to be taught. That's just how culture was at that time. True? |
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| Concolor | 26 Apr 2010, 11:12 PM Post #143 |
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Yeah: God, the timeless almighty creator and ruler of the universe had to retort to misogyny not to offend the local culture at the time.
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| Deleted User | 27 Apr 2010, 05:19 AM Post #144 |
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But the bible does NOT FORBID Bacon burgers ! it teaches that its not what goes into a man that makes him unclean but what comes out of him- it also teaches while many things may be permisable not all are beneficial (scriptures quoted by request but i know how you love Paul) so if you have ever watched super-size me i"d take it easy eat some salad ya know
Nice -so you see yourself as a man ay? its the internet so you can never be sure well i think Luemas summed up the scriptures nicely on that matter although we could always elaborate...Submission aahhh great subject not quite fitting for the topic but we can go there
Funny you should ask ! WHY YES ! and i like to acessorise - preferring the belt of truth around my waist, the breastplate of righteousness and for headwear you cant be without the helmet of salvation. Sharing the Bible and studying Gods word ....its not forbidden but encouraged |
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| conradw | 27 Apr 2010, 08:51 AM Post #145 |
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@Arazec - So you're telling me there's a contradiction in the Bible? and you've just gone with the one that Jesus taught rather than the Old Testament law? - HOT DAWG. What did Jesus say was our new commandment - to love one another? So I'm going to use the same principle to say the prohibition of intrasexual love has been fulfilled and superseded by God's own word. oh and btw, yes, I do think of myself as a man. I would have thought a username like Conrad would be sufficient to indicate my gender. Or are you suggesting I'm a boy instead? Now Luemas, what is involved with trying to be a man? Wearing trousers? being a soldier or police officer? what about supporting the family financially? What about - as you yourself suggest - being educated? wearing blue instead of pink? Does the same apply for men? Should men not try to dress smartly? should they not shave their beards? should they not cook or work in the home? Should we fight lots? Should we eat meat and never quiche? I realise I'm being a little bit daft with some of these, but go ahead, please tell me what you thing being a man or being a woman entails |
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27 Apr 2010, 07:53 PM Post #146 |
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I don't think being a man entails any of those things. If that's your definition of manliness or womanliness, then I believe the term is sexist. I believe that all men, (And women) Were created equal. And Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. Paul said something about this in Romans 14: 1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Also, remember Paul's vision of the cloth tapestry, that said, Do not call anything I have made unclean? Now, once again Conrad. Why was the Old Testament law given? To set apart the Israelites from the nations around them. Are you Jewish? Then go ahead, eat meat! Why does it matter to you? You are, by definition, the nations around them. Now I'm not saying go engage in homosexuality, as you claim, because, AS I've said before, Jesus didn't like those either. And let me ask you a question? Did you do your research? Do your research into the original greek texts? Because I did. You know what I found? Guess what love it was. Did you guess? Good. Agape. Not eros, as you claimed, the sexual love, but rather agape, the unconditional love. And no, not as in, I can love any one erotically, but love them with true love. |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 27 Apr 2010, 09:21 PM Post #147 |
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You can try all you want, but I will NEVER post on this forum as a christian. Now I see why Cameron and Blaze don't post on here. It's frustrating. |
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| cheesebug | 27 Apr 2010, 09:39 PM Post #148 |
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Ooooooooooooooooooooooohkay starting to like a certain person lessss.....if youre atheist, great. You dont have to rub our religion in our faces. Hopefully, one day, you wont be so ignorant. I'm not saying your beliefs are wrong. But your actions are offensive and aggressive, its debate, yes, but we have rules. If you want to even think about saying those things, work up kudo points with us first. We're not your usual trashy forum, and everyone here is tight nit no matter their religion. If you want to squirm into our group hug, calm down. you're still new. |
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| Deleted User | 27 Apr 2010, 10:41 PM Post #149 |
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and how is that relevant? and hhrrmmm its Camerons forum and last time i looked he was a Christian ??? Catholic I beleive? and as Blaze has said before just because he doesnt post does not mean he is not here.... we dont apologise for frustration well at least i dont -cause me personally i seem to p*** ppl off quite regular - but that could be cultural and umm seeing as i havnt really had a convo with you yet.....lemme think....ahhhh.....but i didnt think posting christian stuff on a christian forum would p*** ppl off so hhrrmm forgive us?
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| Concolor | 27 Apr 2010, 10:59 PM Post #150 |
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@Luemas: Wait, I don't know old greek. Are you saying that no one are allowed to love each other erotically? With eros? Gay and straight people are only allowed to love each other non-sexually, as in agape? And you really have to clear something up for me. Do Christians still have to follow the old testament after Jesus came back, or not? |
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Yeah: God, the timeless almighty creator and ruler of the universe had to retort to misogyny not to offend the local culture at the time.
eat some salad ya know
well i think Luemas summed up the scriptures nicely on that matter although we could always elaborate...
and umm seeing as i havnt really had a convo with you yet.....lemme think....
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