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| conradw | 28 Apr 2010, 06:19 AM Post #151 |
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Agape is the Greek for the unconditional love of a parent for a child, or in a Christian context, the love of God for all mankind. While I've heard of it happening, I don't know of a single parent who would love their child if they were gay any less than if they were straight. I put it to you that if you really did love gay people with agape you would understand that Christina and Alexa love each other just as much and just as truly as you love your significant other. If erotic love is allowed to anyone, it is allowed to gay people as well. If you're going to say "it should only be allowed within marriage" then isn't that the best argument for allowing same-sex marriages? Edited by conradw, 28 Apr 2010, 06:29 AM.
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| Deleted User | 28 Apr 2010, 06:23 AM Post #152 |
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some people love Heroin some women love men that bash the cr** outta them i dont see your point? and the fact that Alexia or whats hername want to bonk -how is that different to someone wanting to bonk a child or being married and wanting do it with Alexia whatshername and whatshernames friend? there are many ways to show love -but that doesnt mean there cant be restrictions on how,whom and when The bible teaches certain restrictions on the sexual love permissable. |
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| conradw | 28 Apr 2010, 06:49 AM Post #153 |
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does heroin love people? No. So its an irrelevant comparison. Some men love women that mistreat them too. Would you say their love is a sin and needs to be forgiven or repented for? Unless you're of the opinion that a battered spouse deserves what they get (an abhorrent view, which unfortunately is something I've heard some Christians supporting) I'm guessing your answer is No. so it too is an irrelevant comparison. A relevant comparison would be this: I personally don't find extremely muscley people attractive, and I find it difficult to imagine falling in love with someone like that. My friend Jim on the other hand doesn't share my view and has fallen in love with someone who looks like she can bend bricks between her fingertips. Do I tell him that his love of muscley people is something he should be repentant about, or do I give him all my best wishes as she has made him happier than I ever thought possible? Another relevant example would be this. Some people take Deuteronomy 7:3 to mean don't marry foreigners. Say Jim, instead of falling for this body builder, falls instead for a Canaanite. Do I tell him his love is a sin and needs to be repented for, or give him all my best wishes as she has made him happier than I ever thought possible. |
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| Deleted User | 28 Apr 2010, 07:09 AM Post #154 |
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objects of love reciprocating love is an irrelevant question whats in question is limits on the expression of sexual love and you are arguing that no limits on love should exsist is that what you are saying? or just that being in love makes everything permissable? see your examples on bodybuilders etc..while nice and descriptive really dont change what the Bible has to say nor do they express any relevance to wether or not what Gods Word says is worthy or not as for what you should tell your friend- tell him you are going to bible College to learn about yourself and pherhaps catch some Christian doctrine
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| conradw | 28 Apr 2010, 10:34 AM Post #155 |
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Yes, oddly enough, I agree.
I didn't say that. For instance I don't think you should be allowed to get it on while you're driving. I don't think you should commit rape (although I would hardly call that an expression of love). I don't see how you can argue against love - at least from a biblical standpoint. Does love make anything permissible? I'll answer your question from a different angle and push the envelope even further: It is ONLY love that makes any act good, righteous or praiseworthy. As the book says: Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith. |
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28 Apr 2010, 02:21 PM Post #156 |
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DELICIOUS!
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Bored again, so I'm just going to say this. You love Jesus you follow his commandments. What were his commandments? To not be gay. And Vampira, I'm sorry if I'm harsh, in the debate section. Debates usually devolve into two conflicting groups of Mega-egos. I understand your decision and wanted to play the devil's apprentice. And provide God's point of view. If you don't believe that, it's cool. |
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I think I'm Crazzzy. I think your crazy. I think your crazzzy... probably. | |
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| conradw | 28 Apr 2010, 04:24 PM Post #157 |
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PWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH What were his commandments? John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. In fact, what did Jesus say about being gay? Now, I've never been to Bible college like Arazec says I should so maybe you could help me out with that one? |
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| Deleted User | 28 Apr 2010, 05:25 PM Post #158 |
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You asked the question what you should say to your friend and i answered it so its not initiated from me judging you as it appears above....my take was-you could go to Bible College to work on YOURSELF -see before you start concerning yourself with specks in others eyes you remove your own logs...... yes and the scripture comands to love and theres different expressions of love and boundaries to love isnt there? God loves people God does not love sin |
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28 Apr 2010, 08:16 PM Post #159 |
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You seem to have a short memory. Is that Jesus' only commandment. Did he say, forget about all those other laws and just follow these, really general, nobody really cares about laws anyways? |
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I think I'm Crazzzy. I think your crazy. I think your crazzzy... probably. | |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 29 Apr 2010, 06:19 AM Post #160 |
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I dont mean to be agressive. I have had the worst day EVER 1. I nearly got hit by a bus 2.I got all bad grades on tests 3. I got my lunch spilled on me 4. I got kicked off the bus, so I had to walk FOUR MILES home! |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 29 Apr 2010, 06:21 AM Post #161 |
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It's okay. You have your beliefs and I have mine. I respect you and your beliefs. We cool?
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| conradw | 29 Apr 2010, 07:46 AM Post #162 |
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"Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?" "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse." "Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law." I had a long enough memory to find Galatians 3. I suppose Galatians 3-4 is an explanation of what Jesus meant by fulfilling the law. "For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.'" @Arazec. Boundaries to love? Let me remind you " It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails." Does that sound like something with boundaries? |
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| Concolor | 29 Apr 2010, 02:27 PM Post #163 |
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@Luemas: I still don't know if Jesus wanted us to follow the laws of the old testament, or if he didn't. Could you please clarify this? |
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Life is beautiful, love heals, people come through. Reason, compassion and love comes first. Everything else is secondary. Except for Skittles. - And emperor Cheezy!
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29 Apr 2010, 05:33 PM Post #164 |
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Well Concolor, I smell a trap. My sniffer may not be the best one, but I'm curious enough to listen to your explanation. Uh... Conrad? I may be reading a different translation then you, but when I looked up Galations 3, particularly verse 10, it said something interesting. It said, cursed is everyone who do not continue to do everything written in the law. I think the curse it was talking about earlier was, if they observe the law, they are bound to it. And if they deviate from it, then they must pay the price that the law demands, i.e. burnt sacrifices and the such. What Paul is saying is that if you're observing the law, you're attempting to work your way into heaven. I think this means probably with the aforementioned burnt sacrifices. Now Conrad, I don't think you shouldn't love your gay neighbor, because God loves them too. But I don't think that means if you have a male neighbor you are supposed to lust after them. I think we underestimate the severity of the law. This was Jewish law, that had no ifs ands or buts about it. We don't stone adulterers now, because we have been told to admonish and change their actions in love. We are to act out of love. I think that's what the Galations were doing, they looked to the law for instruction. Which would pose problems undoubtedly. They were attempting to justify themselves through the law. And Paul saw this was wrong. So he wrote them and told them to change. Does that mean we should abandon the law? No. I could list verse after New Testament verse that goes against homosexuality. But you already know those. |
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| Deleted User | 29 Apr 2010, 07:10 PM Post #165 |
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Yes - because you can love someone to death Take a co-dependant crack addicts family- They love the addicted person and "protect" them from the consequences of the disease eg-sorting out messes they get themselves into for them. They love the addicted person so will "always trust" and allow repeated breaches eg- the addicted person is lying to them and has repeatably done so... eg-what is love without trust ??? They love the addicted person so will "preserve" them by providing shelter,food paying their bills etc...etc.... In the examples above and i could go on-you see Love without correct boundaries- there is nothing wrong with Love or with loving the addicted person -but the way the Love is expressed is helping the person stay BOUND by addiction-the family needs to learn boundaries in Love for the person BUT NOT love for the sinfull behaviour. |
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