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Free Will; A good or bad idea?
Topic Started: 7 Jan 2010, 09:42 AM (1,805 Views)
Luemas
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... Astronomy... FAIL!

The speed of light is a wondrous thing. It travels at an astonishing 186 thousand miles, per second. And in space, it travels even faster, because there is less of that annoying matter to slow it down.
Now, because our planets are in our same solar system, it is possible to send probes, and even rockets, (one day, 2020, we're going to Mars!) to them, and explore and learn about them.
Now, because the planets are less than a light year away, (As is, most of the solar system) We see them fairly accurately and presently, with the most possible discrepancy being found in neptune and uranus. However even then, the discrepancy isn't all the great, at most a few days or a week.
HOWEVER!
This is more noticeable when you look at distant stars and planets. To look at the closest Star outside of our sun, Alpha Centauri, which is 4.4 light years away. Which means, that we see it as it was 4 years ago.
Also, may I remind you that the fastest moving object humanity has "created" is 70,220 mph. Not even close to 186,000 miles per second.
Also, this was acheived with the aid of the Earth's gravitational pull, so we are no where CLOSE to achieving the speed of light.
Besides, if we did, we couldn't go in the past, otherwise we would already know about it, wouldn't we?
The theory of relativity states that the closer you go to the speed of light, the slower you age.
If you exceed it however, you begin to go back in time.
And we already know the dangers of messing in time.

Besides, who would want to be stranded in an era where your technology could theoretically prevent your very existence, (Grandfather paradox) and have no way of getting home, except waiting.
And Waiting.
And waiting.
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GuitarShredz
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I'd do that just out of curiosity.
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Concolor
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What does the speed of light have to do with time-travel?
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Luemas
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You have to travel faster than light to go back in time.

Or am I the only one?
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Afalstein
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*sigh*

"Time present and time past
Are both perhaps present in time future,
And time future contained in time past.
If all time is eternally present
All time is unredeemable.
What might have been is an abstraction
Remaining a perpetual possibility
Only in a world of speculation."
-T.S. Eliot, Burnt Norton, Four Quatrets.

What is the earthly point of arguing about time travel? No one has ever traveled in time, so it is impossible to know what would happen if you did. Time travel fics like to ANSWER the whole free will/fate question, but they're just pure speculation because no one ever has. Fun, perhaps, but pointless.

Regardless of what MIGHT have happened if you had done such-or-such at a certain moment, the fact remains that you DID do what you did at that moment. The past cannot be undone, (certainly not with present technology), and you will never again encounter a moment exactly like the one prior. So it's impossible to know what might have happened. Fun to speculate about, perhaps, but pointless.

Actually there's a scientific study out right now that says time doesn't exist. Sorta interesting.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-time-an-illusion
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Concolor
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Ooooh that looks like a really cool article!

Unfortunately I only have acces to the abstract :(
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Ha ha ha , Concolor.
Luemas- Must brush up on Astronomy. If I'm going to be an astronomer, I have to get the facts straight. and study for years.
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PsychoKitteh
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Well I just re-read four pages..
Interesting conversation you have going on here...
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Concolor
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Yeah, it pretty much follows the classic pattern of Godlimations-forum discussions :D
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lol that's okay though because the conversations can get very interesting. Especially when Luemas and Vampira start arguing over the past. :D and or the future.
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Hey uhm, not to be weird but was the original post supposed to be about free will vs. predestination? Cus I have pretty conclusive evidence on that one =p
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Well we'd like to hear it then.
Of course all sources are to be submitted to our board, which carefully critiques it, gets a 5/7 majority, and then is approved.

No. Not really. It's the internet. The whole anonymity thing. You can say what you want and link what you want. As long as it isn't porn or something gross. Exceptions being rickrolls.
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i didnt know they could be seperate things.....
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(please note that this view is purely biblical).... But the bible is pretty conclusive on predestination.... I would say that its not even a question of free will or predestination, but to what extent predestination comes into play... Uhm if external urls arent allowed forgive me, but there are sooo many passages on it that its faster for me to use this lol....

http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/predestination/verses_concerning_predestination.htm

I once heard this analogy and I liked the way it sounded but i'll go over that in a second: Lets say I have a son whos name is timmy. Now i know that no matter what choice of candy I give timmy he will ALWAYS choose m&ms.... But I give him a bowl with snickers, twizzlers, skittles, milky way, and m&ms, but tell him he may only choose one. I know he will choose the m&ms, but I give him the choice anyway....

I love this anology, because to me it makes the most sense but theres a problem with this anology. Im not sure that this is really biblical. See the number one thing to realize when taking on a monster of a question such as this, is that if you do believe in God and acknowledge that there is nothing he can't do; then you must realize that there are probably things that he does that we will never understand because its so far over our heads lol. Thats why I try and look at all the scripture (which i listed in the url above) and thats basically that. When we try to pick and choose what we want out of the bible thats when the danger happens. If steve can choose one aspect and make assumptions, and sally makes assumptions on another its not taking the whole of the bible in conscideration.

I gotta say I love this forum, even though it takes on the hardest questions ever lol.... =p
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