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| God vs science, or professor vs student?; A reply to a thread in the "Bible Lessons-section" | |
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4 Mar 2010, 06:57 AM Post #16 |
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A man's life is changed by a dare
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It's one illustration to back my point up correct Luemas The idea that we live in a matrix is clearly an "anomaly" lololol, the paradox is that I cannot disprove that, this idea is to nullify proof as a means to explain anything in theology. I have not, even in my experience, have seen one shredded proof of God's existence. He never came in my dreams and spoke to me in deep-tonal words. I never had a mystical encounter where I have fallen to the ground and witnessed God's face. I like to lean on one scripture: John 20:29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Maybe this argument could simply fall into "you cannot prove or disprove God, so let's all go home". That's a really sour way to conclude an argument and offers no solution. My point is that in theology, proof means absolutely nothing when trying to conjure God. So you need to draw God away from proof into something we can actually work with, something that does offer a solution, which is the truth. Take for example, the farting in an elevator with a crowd of people scene. We can all prove it exists because we smelled the rotting smell that of a carcass, but say for instance, on a cold morning, everyone in the elevator had the flu, and couldn't smell anything. Which gave the "fartee" every privilege to do his business. No one can suspect anything due to a blockage of the sense... Take this entire story, and ask what the truth is? There is still a form of truth that cannot be tampered with despite the fallacies of our senses, despite the fallacies of proof. Often I am told "Look around you, the tree's in the breeze, the ocean of waves sweeping majestically, is that not enough proof of God's existence?" I am happy to agree that God's wonderful creation is a blessing before my very own eyes. And because I am a deep firm Christian, I acknowledge it as God's truth to humankind, since everything we do, may it be in His name and His glory. But I don't NEED to hear that God needs/wants to go to extremes to prove Himself to me. It's of no condition to my heart whether or not He is anymore real than I currently affirm Him as. Or maybe I'm just speaking theoretically here... I'd pee my pants if God showed up at my doorstep. And then you have the people who say "God spoke to me". God speaks to me also, through His word. No need to pray for a circumstance if God is screaming in your face not to do something you'll regret based on His word. |
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9 Mar 2010, 06:04 PM Post #17 |
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You Will Have A Nice Day
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You work? I was under the impression you did whatever you wanted for four months, and then for two weeks you went "let's make a game!" and and threw something together and posted on the website and said "look guys, a game!" Okay, I'm joking. I shouldn't be mean or else you won't tell us what you're working on. |
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9 Mar 2010, 09:44 PM Post #18 |
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A man's life is changed by a dare
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I took a holiday break. And I've just been so pre-occupied with youth stuff... I'm working on a game called "Suit-Able" which is a platformer. The ultimate paradox is that you simply cannot die. Or can you? .... hehe the game should be finished within the next 2 weeks, there's not much more to work on. Hope you enjoy it.
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10 Mar 2010, 05:15 PM Post #19 |
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DELICIOUS!
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2 weeks? Perfect. I've been needing an excuse to start uploading again. |
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I think I'm Crazzzy. I think your crazy. I think your crazzzy... probably. | |
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| conradw | 14 Mar 2010, 01:02 PM Post #20 |
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Goliath
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I think you're conflating "proof" and "evidence". Evidence can suggest something, and when you have enough, you can argue that you have proved it beyond a certain degree of doubt. You just said you haven't seen any evidence of God. As such we can our measure of doubt in your position will be quite large - you might be completely off the mark. You've just told us that you have no reason to believe in God, but because you are a Christian, you do. The important question is 'Why, then are you a a Christian?' And, does the reason why you're a Christian actually speak to the truth of Christianity? This is an important question. I recognise that there is a good chance that I am a Christian because my parents are. I recognise that this is not a reason that suggests that Christianity is true - my parents could be just as deluded as their parents - but I do not suggest it is. I recognise that my religious beliefs are without evidence. I am forced by my own conscience to regard that I may very easily be wrong, and so i have to behave in a way that i can ethically justify (in spite of the fact that the Bible tells me to kill a disrespectful child, Im not so certain the book is right on that one). Contrast this to something I have less uncertainty about: Your existence. I can say I have never seen you do anything that only non-existent things do, and I have only seen you do things that existent things do. What does this mean? It means I do have a shred of evidence about you, and so my uncertainty about you is less than my uncertainty about God. |
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| Deleted User | 14 Mar 2010, 04:40 PM Post #21 |
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what is the evidence then of .....a relationship? |
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| Concolor | 15 Mar 2010, 12:07 AM Post #22 |
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Barabbas
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In my opinion a relationship is an entirely subjective thing. It only exists in the mind of those who are in the relationship and those around that acknowledge the relationship. According to my definition I can easily have a relationship with a fictional character (I'm sure there are plenty of young boys who has a passionate relationship with Modesty Blaise (from Agent-X9 I think), and plenty of young girls in equally passionate relationships with glowing vampires). Of course these are one-way relationships, as the other part does not exist, but one can scientifically detect the EXPERIENCE of a relationship by doing both cognitive/psychological test on the girl in love with a vampire and also Physical/physiological test on the hormones and other chemicals in her body and the signalling patterns in her brain etc. In a relationship between two existing persons, one can of course test them both. And sometimes one may even find that only one of them acknowledges the relationship, and so it can be a one-way relationship here as well. |
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Life is beautiful, love heals, people come through. Reason, compassion and love comes first. Everything else is secondary. Except for Skittles. - And emperor Cheezy!
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| Deleted User | 15 Mar 2010, 07:58 AM Post #23 |
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blood relationship is not subjective @Concolor@ |
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| Concolor | 15 Mar 2010, 02:29 PM Post #24 |
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Barabbas
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Oh THAT kind of relationship? Sorry, I misunderstood Yeah, DNA-samples would be great for that. |
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| Junior | 15 Mar 2010, 02:34 PM Post #25 |
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Brother-in-law of Soul
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Sparkling vampires. They're not manly enough to glow. Edited by Junior, 15 Mar 2010, 02:34 PM.
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| Concolor | 15 Mar 2010, 04:39 PM Post #26 |
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Barabbas
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I stand corrected
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15 Mar 2010, 05:22 PM Post #27 |
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DELICIOUS!
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...1. Vampires don't glow, OR SPARKLE! THEY RIP OUT YOUR THROAT! And you also drive stakes through their heart but... Hey, don't blame me, blame Bram Stoker. |
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I think I'm Crazzzy. I think your crazy. I think your crazzzy... probably. | |
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| Deleted User | 16 Mar 2010, 03:57 PM Post #28 |
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well relationships have different types obviously in relationship to a relationship with God you need to consider adoption too. God sent forth his Son, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. --Galatians 4:4, 5, 7 adoption isnt too subjective it means what it means despite ppls feelings toward adoptions take for instance the Google guys-not so surprising their acheivements we can think -they were from the ivy league, after all you would expect something that so transforms the landscape of the world to come from ones with certain advantages.... hhhmmm |
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| conradw | 16 Mar 2010, 05:46 PM Post #29 |
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Goliath
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I don't see what ivy league graduates have to do with god Adoption often occurs with legal documents of guardianship and responsibility etc. Those at least are evidence that an adoption has taken place. In other situations, adoption can be subjective. Have you ever heard the phrase "you've been like a father to me"? the subject of that sentence may well have a very different view of how they've behaved towards the speaker. Its interesting that you picked that section of the bible. I being a bloke (and a son) get to see myself as God's heir. Where's the mention of daughters becoming heirs as well? or do you gals just get a raw deal? |
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| Concolor | 17 Mar 2010, 12:48 AM Post #30 |
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Barabbas
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I would assume being an heir to God means we'll have to run the universe when he dies. This seems like an exhausting job, so maybe girls should be glad that they're getting away with no duties. Then again there is no point in having an heir unless you're going to die, but I can't figure out exactly when God is planning to die? |
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The idea that we live in a matrix is clearly an "anomaly" lololol, the paradox is that I cannot disprove that, this idea is to nullify proof as a means to explain anything in theology. I have not, even in my experience, have seen one shredded proof of God's existence. He never came in my dreams and spoke to me in deep-tonal words. I never had a mystical encounter where I have fallen to the ground and witnessed God's face. I like to lean on one scripture:





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