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| Topic Started: 27 Apr 2010, 06:26 AM (985 Views) | |
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26 May 2010, 04:25 PM Post #31 |
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I don't think what she's saying. Because so far, we only know 17 dimensions. I can only think of five of them. Length, Width, Depth, Time, and Gravity. So whatever the 12 others are, how are we to know that we don't inhabit a small speck of God's universe? A reverse flatland. Edited by Luemas, 26 May 2010, 04:26 PM.
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26 May 2010, 04:36 PM Post #32 |
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yeah a reverse flatland 
no- Gods in that small speck and also in all of somewhere past present and future simultaniously unless of course you chose to be seperated from him in which case he graciously withdraws that has been described as a dimention with the name hell- i think weve said it already but the God we worship is everywhere at the same time forever just because someone mightnt have their spiritual detection equipment tuned in right- knock and the door will be opened ask and you shall receive |
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| conradw | 26 May 2010, 07:12 PM Post #33 |
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See your argument isn't consistent. You're saying that we don't know that there isn't a god, because to prove that, you'd have to know everything to know that God isn't anywhere. But if God is everywhere at all times, I don't need to know about these 17 dimensions (or just 11 according to M-theory) because I can look at here and now, and by your definition, the God that isn't here and now isn't anywhere. thus is doesn't take much faith to be an athiest, just a lot of doubt. |
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27 May 2010, 08:03 AM Post #34 |
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see the thing is im not arguing with you- theres no arguement what i am saying is that you dont technically "find" God because we are the ones that are lost lets put our differences aside-does that make any sense? or a better question can anyone relate to th at all -even a little? |
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| Afalstein | 27 May 2010, 10:19 PM Post #35 |
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Quick question, how are you supposed to have an "impersonal" and yet "loving" entity? If it's impersonal it can't love anymore than it can hate. On the matter of doubt--I suppose you could say that your emphasis on doubt reflects an assumption that doubt is inherently superior to any kind of unwarranted faith. Which, one could argue, is in a sense a kind of belief, if one that the world widely accepts. Also, you can find God easily. You don't even have to look for him. He left his handprints all over Creation, he made the world to reflect him, he made man in his image. Heck, he sent tons of representatives to point it out to people, he came down himself (or his son did) to make it even more clear, and if you weren't there, he left a whole complete manual about the thing. God is impossible to avoid. The only thing in the way, really, is man trying to explain away God's very clear existence. |
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| Concolor | 28 May 2010, 04:51 PM Post #36 |
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See, to me that makes exactly the same amount of sense if you replace every use of the word "God" in your text with the word "Krishna" or "Allah" or "Brahman" or "Ra" or "B'aal" etc. Can you demonstrate to me that any of these other words would be less fitting than "God"? |
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29 May 2010, 09:31 AM Post #37 |
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heres an explaination for ya the same amount of sense to you ? which sense are you talking about ? -cause that explains the fit somewhat... and fit or truth cause you seem to be saying that interchangable words have something to do with your beleifs-tho- im not getting u entirely  does the world fit nicely for you generally ? |
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| Concolor | 29 May 2010, 01:05 PM Post #38 |
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@ARAZEC: That was not an explanation, just a series of questions. My point was that no one has been able to demonstrate to me why it should make more sense to say: "It is obvious that the God of the Bible exists since he made the world so and so, and he sent all these prophets and holy books" rather than to say: "It is obvious that Allah exists since he made the world so and so, and he sent all these prophets and holy books" or: "It is obvious that Brahman exists since he made the world so and so, and he sent all these prophets and holy books" And so I see no reason to choose one before the others. Edited by Concolor, 29 May 2010, 01:06 PM.
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| TreziBear | 29 May 2010, 03:46 PM Post #39 |
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I just came to see you guys argue 
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29 May 2010, 11:58 PM Post #40 |
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@ :Vampira7426 thumbs: cool  well Concolor why ? i just said it doesnt make much sense to you and no ones trying to demonstrate anything to you (well ok im not) but i like sharing and am compelled to share my experiance in my relationship with Jesus - conclusive evidence or proof that you feel is unreliable......so if no ones been able to do want you want and thats what you want maybe its not everyone else but you whos a little afraid to go where you dont 100% understand-i dunno-no disrespect and all that....if ur waiting for the day when the penny drops and it all fits into place for ya -i dunno I pray for everyone on here (forum/the site) not that you will "convert"-but that you will find unfailing unconditional perfect love and relationship which comes from God... which God? hmmm the God of the Bible which we were reading omg ! what happened to that 
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| TreziBear | 30 May 2010, 11:09 AM Post #41 |
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WHOA,WHOA,WHOA. Hold up ARAZEC, you said "Your experience and relationship with Jesus" I hardly doubt you know the guy. Praying to god and THINKING you hear him speak to you, is not proof. I'm not saying that it isn't true, and I'm not saying anyone was looking for proof. Do you Seriously think that he speaks to you or something? Or is he there with you in spirit? Your "relationship" with Jesus, could all be in your imagination, do you feel compelled to share with us, or to convert us? I'm not judging, I merely want to see it from your view. The way I see it, he's there, or he's not. If he is, then he doesn't have to show any signs of him being there, and I can still wonder, or someday, I will see the light, or something. If he ISN'T real, life will be a whole lot simpler for me. |
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| Concolor | 30 May 2010, 04:49 PM Post #42 |
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@ARAZEC: Thank you for the enlightening "response". I hope that you will someday be able to feel the warm embrace of Krishna that he has offered you in return for nothing more than to realize that he is the one true creator of the universe.
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| conradw | 30 May 2010, 05:21 PM Post #43 |
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Infidel! But don't worry, I'm sure one day Lord Xenu will forgive you for pushing people away from his marvelous teaching of dianetics. |
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| TreziBear | 30 May 2010, 06:34 PM Post #44 |
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huh? |
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| Afalstein | 30 May 2010, 09:48 PM Post #45 |
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Actually, you couldn't insert them. None of the deities you mention really even had sons, much less send them to earth. Prophets, perhaps, but Christianity is unique in its idea of the incarnation. Also, Ra, was the Sun God, and thus is not in the world, so you couldn't see him there at all. But of course, that's not the issue that you're talking about. The issue you're looking for is how we can tell what we're seeing is not a reflection of (insert deity) and is a reflection of God. It's a legitimate question. On some level, it does come down to faith (which is the subject of this debate), but on the other, I can say that the parallels between created and creator are much more clear in the Christian vision of the Creator. Heck, half of the Psalms deal with showing how God is similar to the trees, or the oceans, or the mountains, etc., etc. Man's individuality and personality echoes the personal God of Christianity much more than the "all-spirit" of Brahma or Khrisna. The nature of the christian God also meshes more with human conceptions of logic and justice than do the more petty and contradictory gods of Allah, Ra, and say, Zeus. As Ba'al was a general term used to encompass a wide variety of pagan gods, I can't really tell which one you're talking about, but I COULD say that it makes more logical sense for there to be one ruling God than many disagreeing ones. With what we know of the world, it makes no sense for there to be separate gods of the oceans, mountains, forests, and lakes; but it DOES make sense for there to be one God encompassing them all, because they are all interconnected anyway. Short version: The Christian conception of God makes a whole lot more sense than the others, and fits the reflection we see in the world much better. It's vastly preferable for a number of other reasons too, but those have more to do with behavior than faith. |
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