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| Tweet Topic Started: 28 Jun 2010, 02:48 PM (5,628 Views) | |
| Midst Of Vampy | 28 Jun 2010, 02:48 PM Post #1 |
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This is what I don't get about Christianity. You worship and acknowledge God's presence, correct? Well, what makes you believe these things? Is it just because of the Bible? The Bible is a book of history, and is all true, supposedly. There is no actual proof that God exists, or ever DID exist. I'm not saying that he isn't real, I am saying that the only thing that we have things to base things off of are the Bible and people who say the hear God. There are many versions of the Bible, because so many people have written about it, and changed it. All of the stories in the Bible are different from each other because there will always be people who question it and twist things. Back to the Topic, why do you guys believe these things? Why do you pray? What things help you understand or believe in God? i would like to know because I have always been puzzled and have never gotten to question it or think about it. |
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| conradw | 28 Jun 2010, 04:22 PM Post #2 |
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Because I grew up with it. I don't get why that's not a good enough reason for most people... |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 28 Jun 2010, 04:23 PM Post #3 |
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Hm, so it was by your own accords that you became Christian? Or was it your family? |
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| Concolor | 28 Jun 2010, 04:43 PM Post #4 |
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@conradw: But isn't this an important enough question for you that whether or not it is true actually matters? Is it really more important to you that it is familiar than true? How fortunate for us that you grew up with a benign, liberal world view and not a homophobic, violent one
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| chocolatepope | 28 Jun 2010, 09:59 PM Post #5 |
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*lurks* I wonder this, too. And as for Conradw, people question this because growing up on something doesn't make it right. For example, although an extreme one, there was a time when German children were "growing up on" anti-Semitic stories like "The Poisonous Mushroom". Just because you were exposed to it as a youngin' doesn't make it right. If this is the only reason why you follow something, you should find a better one or something else. |
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I want to thank you for being a part of my Forget-me-nots and marigolds And all the things that don't get old Is it legal to do this? I surely don't know. It's the only way I have learned to express myself through other peoples' descriptions of life I'm afraid I'm alone and entirely useless | |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 28 Jun 2010, 10:11 PM Post #6 |
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
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| Deleted User | 29 Jun 2010, 09:10 AM Post #7 |
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*always lurking*......and Christians get a bad wrap about trying to "bash their beleifs" ppl ? c'mon !!! who are you to say what reasons are good enough or better for following something ??? anyway...ive got just a slight hunch that condraw is "taking the mickey out of you" - but dont quote me on it @Vampira7426 because you posted this thread you might get ppl speaking to you about why they beleive in Christianity ...you do realise this ? its just that you you have said in a few places on this forum that "you hate people trying to convert other people" so i wonder......... are legit in wanting to know more ? idk but was just wondering..... |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 29 Jun 2010, 12:22 PM Post #8 |
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No,no. I don't want people trying to convert me, I am merely curious about what you guys believe and why.
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| Concolor | 29 Jun 2010, 12:53 PM Post #9 |
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Barabbas
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And I would like to add that if someone thinks I have poorly founded reasons for holding beliefs I have, I most certainly appreciate a thorough examination of why they think so. Remember Chocolatepope did not try to push any belief on conradw (like Zoroastrianism) she merely pointed out what she saw as a weakness in his argument. Vampira just agreed to what CP said, so I don't know what you're picking on Vamp for?
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| GuitarShredz | 30 Jun 2010, 10:30 AM Post #10 |
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Exactly. Why pick on Vampira when she merely agreed to what Chocolatepope said?
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| chocolatepope | 30 Jun 2010, 02:09 PM Post #11 |
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Hey hey hey don't yell at other people for stuff I did. I was only answering a question because they asked it. Didn't mean to offend anyone. |
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I want to thank you for being a part of my Forget-me-nots and marigolds And all the things that don't get old Is it legal to do this? I surely don't know. It's the only way I have learned to express myself through other peoples' descriptions of life I'm afraid I'm alone and entirely useless | |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 30 Jun 2010, 06:19 PM Post #12 |
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Barabbas
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Nobody's hating on you, CP. ![]() they're hating on me. Though I don't know why. I guess I'm the one everyone loves to hate. I don't think you offended anyone.
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| SolarFlare | 30 Jun 2010, 07:17 PM Post #13 |
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In this post I am not trying to convert anyone to Christianity. If someone opposes the possibility of God, then no amount of evidence is going to persuade them, and they will be able to explain away or rationalize any evidence given to prove a God. That being said, this is why I, myself, believe in God. I like to think of myself as a scientist. I believe in Evolution, The Big Bang Theory, String Theory, ect. I thought that meant that my scientific beliefs couldn't mesh with my Christian beliefs. I read a book called Who Made the Moon? by Sigmund Brouwer and it explained that the universe and nature are far too complicated to be merely coincidental. For example, the Earth is the exact size and shape to be held the exact distance from the Sun by gravity. Also, the Earth is the exact mass to be able to hold an extremely thin layer of oxygen and nitrogen to the surface, which is the exact mixture of gasses -- and in the correct ratios -- to sustain plant, animal and human life. If the earth was smaller, like Mercury, it would be impossible to have an atmosphere. If it were larger, like Jupiter, the atmosphere would contain mostly hydrogen particles. The Moon is also the perfect size to push and pull the oceans in tides, so that the water doesn't stagnate or overflow onto the continents. Water is an amazing substance. It has an unusually high boiling temperature and unusually low freezing temperature. This means that we, as humans, can survive in environments with fluctuating temperatures and keep our bodies at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit. Chemically, water is a universal solvent, meaning it is able to carry numerous essential chemicals, minerals and solvents through our body. Water has incredible surface tension making it able to flow against gravity and allow plants to grow. Water freezes top-down, so fish can live under it in the winter. The human brain is able to perform many tasks simultaneously with an incredible amount of information. Your brain processes all of the colors and objects you see around you, processes the temperature of the air, the pressure of the floor against your feet, the scents you smell and the flavors you taste, while at the same time, managing fluctuations in ongoing functions of your body, including breathing, eye movement, hunger and muscle patterns. Also, the brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people. Perhaps none of this seems truly spectacular to anyone else, but the complexities, to me at least, are mind-boggling. I don't believe simply nature could have created all of these things, thus, I find the evidence to point to God. A lot of my facts I found here and in Sigmund Brouwer's book, Who Made the Moon?. |
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| chocolatepope | 30 Jun 2010, 09:57 PM Post #14 |
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^best answer i've heard |
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I want to thank you for being a part of my Forget-me-nots and marigolds And all the things that don't get old Is it legal to do this? I surely don't know. It's the only way I have learned to express myself through other peoples' descriptions of life I'm afraid I'm alone and entirely useless | |
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DELICIOUS!
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I would try and follow that up, but that's pretty perfect. Irreducible Complexity... Congratulations SolarFlare, you've managed to put into words, that which thousands of scientists have strained to say. |
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