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| Deleted User | 3 Sep 2010, 05:25 AM Post #136 |
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creepy ay ? enough with the personal coments Concolor you dont have to agree but i think having "agnostic" views on everything "supernatural" kinda rules out
No you are wrong i HAVE ENCOUNTERED situations in which accepting something something without has been a disadvantage and the concept is quite familiar what seems alien is how you and i can have ANY TYPE of meaningfull rational discourse when you make comments like this one- thats just called copping out mate
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| Concolor | 3 Sep 2010, 09:31 AM Post #137 |
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@ARAZEC:It would be nice to know how this sentence ends before I make a reply to it. I stand corrected. Really? To me the only honest reply I can give when I don't know anything is "I don't know". How is that copping out? Do you honestly claim to have absolute knowledge of everything in the universe, and that people who claim not to are copping out? If I don't know whether or not logical absolutes exist then I cannot go around saying that they do, neither can I go around saying that they don't. How is this copping out? |
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| Deleted User | 3 Sep 2010, 10:56 AM Post #138 |
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nope not me but GOD DOES He made the heaven and the earth -not just the gaps but EVERYTHING and seeing as you,lucy and Peter cant claim he doesnt exsist and you,Lucy & Peter wont claim that he does not then its settled. now i can understand if this concept seems alien but if you ever encountered something that you didnt understand BUT KNEW EXSISTED and you were looking to other people for evidence THATS CALLED COPPING OUTYou know God exists Concolor.....and that why your HERE "For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus." Now dont get cranky with me-its not like i made it this way-its actually written "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" you wont make a positive statement againest Christian theism and you cant disprove Jesus exsisted and most importantly you have no evidence that Jesus was not resurrected. so lets just say i am agnostic in my views on your view that you cant say God exsists dont be frightened ! im srry if im creepy ! but NEXT TIME before you compare God with pink unicorns and apples try to leave your premises at the door..... |
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| Concolor | 6 Sep 2010, 03:47 PM Post #139 |
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@ARAZEC:That's not entirely true. If I understand you correctly, you are now not talking about the general possibility of some unknowable supernatural entity, but of the thoroughly described, personal God of the Bible who intervenes in the natural world. And he, I can rather confidently say does not exist, as I have many times argued. Ah, ARAZEC, you hit the nail on the head. That is the very thing that is alien to me, and that I have never ever experienced. How could I possibly know anything about something I do not understand? I understand that people can feel that something exists, even if they don't know what it is. I can feel a smell or a taste in my mouth, that I have no idea where came from, but that does not mean I'm eating or smelling something, and so I can not know anything of whether the source of the smell or taste is some external object or just my own body. Huh? Asking other people about stuff is called "copping out"? Is that what Christians are doing when they rely on each others testimonies? Now THAT's an interesting statement! I've heard religious people say this before, sometimes in the form of "I don't believe in atheists", but I don't understand why they are saying this. Many religious people claim to have been non-religious before they were converted. If this is true, then they must have actually been in the situation themselves, that they did not believe in God. We are all born ignorant, even if there was a God people still need to go to church or study the Bible to learn about God and what he's like and how he's different from Allah and Atman etc. And furthermore, how can you make a claim about something I supposedly know? I understand if you think that something I claim to know is not true, or that you know something I don't, and that you therefore can make a claim about my lack of knowledge. But how can you say "you know this and that?" I have stated my many purposes of frequenting this forum. "Because I know that the God of the Bible is true and all the other Gods are not" is not one of them. I would accuse you of wishful thinking here, but I would only be repeating myself. "An older boy told me to do it" and "But this post-it note say's it's true!" are poor excuses. Besides, I'm not cranky with you for what other people have written in their books. I'm cranky with you for not reading my posts, and not writing coherently enough for me to decipher what you're trying to say. I have done so on numerous occasions before, and I just did so again in the beginning of this post. When did I ever claim that Jesus did not exist? Jesus as a historical figure may not be as well documented as Buddha or Muhammad, but there is enough evidence to make it probable that at least one of the messiahs around year 0 was called Jesus. So you didn't get the memo about the whole "burden of proof" now did you? You can't prove that giving me a million dollars won't bring about the salvation of everyone, now start sending me payments! If I read you correctly, you are unconvinced of my presentation of agnosticism as the most sensible position in the question of the existence of the supernatural realm. That is fair. Please tell me what would convince you, and I will see if I can supply the necessary explanations. That's okay. In retrospect I find your statement about observing me while gathering evidence more as improbable than frightening. Why? Which premises do you disagree with and why do you find them unfair? |
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| Deleted User | 7 Sep 2010, 06:16 AM Post #140 |
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just because you have argued doesnt mean he doesnt exsist !! You dont have any evidence that can come close to proof do you know any woman ? CASE CLOSED NEXT POINT...... I doubt that you know where the water you drink comes from......but it exsists doesnt it? that depends on what you mean by rely-asking other people stuff isnt called copping out-but reling on other peoples experiances for relationship with God rather than inviting him into your life yourself can be.... so do you want to pray with me Concolor and ask Jesus into your life? |
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| Concolor | 7 Sep 2010, 03:59 PM Post #141 |
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@ARAZEC: Of course not. Unless discussing formal logic or math, proof is not a factor. Yes, I am friends with several women, and I most certainly understand what a woman is. You are mixing together "know" as in "being friends with" and "know" as in "knowing a fact to be true". Also you are mixing understanding what a woman is trying to say or think, with understanding a concept. Nice try You have yet to explain how I am supposed to verify the existence of something that I do not even know what is.Actually I do know where my water comes from, but let's pretend I don't. The water exists, just as the feeling of being close to a God or a spirit exists. But as you said, I don't know where the water comes from, a stream, a glacier or maybe a lake? And so I cannot say that "since this water is real, that proves lake Wanatube is real because that's where it came from!" - because for all i know the water could come from a glacier and Wanatube might not exist. Likewise, even if someone most certainly can feel that Gods or spirits exist, that does not mean this feeling comes because they actually do. It could come from ourselves, which many feelings do. How many Christians do you recon are basing their faith on personal revelations, and how many do you recon base it on others testimonials? Sure, why not? Though I do foresee a load of annoying consequences. Such as you somehow thinking this will somehow make me more favorably aligned towards your particular brand of deity-worship, and all the hoops you will jump through when I don't. Mostly I assume you will claim that I: A - Didn't do it B - Didn't do it correctly C - Didn't have an open mind when I did it D - Did do it with an open mind, but without shutting off my rational thinking. And Jesus hates that so it is simply impossible for him to get into my heart under such conditions. Accusation D would of course be correct, as I will not shut of my thinking. I have explained why, and if you want me to repeat it I'd be happy to. As a side note I will point out that your approach is a quite successful way of getting converts in general. (So kudos.) It's kind of a "foot in the door" tactics, which is similar to what people do when they sell these tiny ribbons to support fight against cancer, or AIDS, etc. It works because it takes advantage of our tendency to rationalize whenever our behavior differs from what we normally expect of ourselves, to limit cognitive dissonance. Subconsciously we think "I don't normally wear a tiny ribbon, this feels slightly different than what I normally do. Why do I wear it? Oh yeah, to fight cancer. I don't normally do though, even though it's a good cause I've never given money to cancer-fighting before or actively supported it. Well, I guess I am now though. Yeah, I'm an active supporter of the fight against cancer." And the next time someone asks for a donation for the fight against cancer, you might think "Well, I am an active supporter of the fight against cancer, and giving such a donation is just what an active supporter of the fight against cancer would do." And so getting someone to perform some physical action, though seemingly small, may (if handled correctly) actually change that person's attitudes and convictions. Not always of course, then the anti-cancer foundation would rule the world by now, but sometimes. This can also be seen in the army, where the constant drilling of skills not only makes the soldiers able to perform well in battle, but also molds them into thinking more like soldiers: efficient and obedient. |
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| Deleted User | 8 Sep 2010, 11:24 AM Post #142 |
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nervous much? Spoiler: click to toggle btw its reckon not recon get your slang right mate ! so when I pray with someone/people I usually like to hold hands so imagine this ------> <------- here emoticon is my hand reaching out in prayer to you....... |
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| Deleted User | 8 Sep 2010, 11:38 AM Post #143 |
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yeah its called discovering and how can you say I dont know this and that -im not saying I KNOW,im saying You and i know and i know that i know that i know and your like you know but your all no eventho you know that i know that you know |
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| Concolor | 8 Sep 2010, 02:10 PM Post #144 |
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@ARAZEC:I normally use the word "discovering" for exploratory hiking trips or star gazing, not making truth statements about things that are not clearly defined. Because I think some of the things you say are wrong, and so as far as I can see you do not have that particular knowledge. *cough* You just said you know, right there. How do you know that? But I know that I don't know, and I don't think you know either. Nope. Sure, I'll even make a separate thread for it: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Godlimations/topic/6839993/1/ Thanx! I stand corrected
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| Deleted User | 8 Sep 2010, 04:14 PM Post #145 |
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Omg u make me laugh |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 8 Sep 2010, 07:01 PM Post #146 |
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My lord, you guys could do this all day, couldn't you? |
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| Concolor | 9 Sep 2010, 12:09 AM Post #147 |
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It's what the debate-section is for honey ![]() Anyway, where did SolarFlare go? We were in the middle of a discussion too... |
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| Midst Of Vampy | 9 Sep 2010, 07:43 AM Post #148 |
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I knows... Well, she's busy with college, I'm guessing. And other stuff... |
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DELICIOUS!
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Yeah, she's doing college, band, I think track/running... and also drawing and various stuff. What? |
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I think I'm Crazzzy. I think your crazy. I think your crazzzy... probably. | |
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| cheesebug | 12 Sep 2010, 04:17 PM Post #150 |
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Shes in college? i thought she was, like, 15..... |
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http://masochistic-goddess.tumblr.com/poetry "You will hear thunder and remember me, and think: she wanted storms." | |
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now i can understand if this concept seems alien but if you ever encountered something that you didnt understand BUT KNEW EXSISTED and you were looking to other people for evidence THATS CALLED COPPING OUT
You have yet to explain how I am supposed to verify the existence of something that I do not even know what is.

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