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I don't get it
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2010, 02:48 PM (5,642 Views)
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Vampira7426
28 Jun 2010, 02:48 PM
This is what I don't get about Christianity. You worship and acknowledge God's presence, correct? Well, what makes you believe these things? Is it just because of the Bible? The Bible is a book of history, and is all true, supposedly. There is no actual proof that God exists, or ever DID exist. I'm not saying that he isn't real, I am saying that the only thing that we have things to base things off of are the Bible and people who say the hear God. There are many versions of the Bible, because so many people have written about it, and changed it. All of the stories in the Bible are different from each other because there will always be people who question it and twist things. Back to the Topic, why do you guys believe these things? Why do you pray? What things help you understand or believe in God? i would like to know because I have always been puzzled and have never gotten to question it or think about it.
I question it every day, actually. because when i look at it, it seems completely illogical, insane, useless, if the certain opinion wasnt correct your whole life would be wasted.
i dont know why. most christians dont know WHY.
they just do, i guess? im still seking out my true beliefs.
but christianity, i musdt say, seems like the safest bet. if buddah was actually god, then upon research it seems he would welcome us for our mistakes after not believing in him. other religions, too. but if god is god, and i believed in buddah, then im supposedly screwed.
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That makes sense. I also assume that if God is real, I know I've done little to piss him off and probably won't be banished to rot in hell. Probably. <_<;
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I'm afraid I'm alone and entirely useless

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ive done a lot ton piss him off but i love him and im an overall good personb sometimes ;)
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Well he's supposed to love everyone, right?
I want to thank you for being a part of my
Forget-me-nots and marigolds
And all the things that don't get old
Is it legal to do this? I surely don't know.
It's the only way I have learned to express myself
through other peoples' descriptions of life
I'm afraid I'm alone and entirely useless

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yeah.....i doubt her loves hitler...
theres some debate in that.
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There is definitely debate in that :D

@cheezy: From your previous post, it looks like you're only believing in God because you think it's the safest bet. Would that really please him?
Edited by Concolor, 1 Jul 2010, 11:56 AM.
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I'm not trying to be rude or force my beliefs on anyone, this is just my opinion; take it with a grain of salt.

I'm assuming that the reason you guys "believe" in God is because you would like to go on to heaven (if there is one) and live in God's Kingdom in the afterlife (correct me if I'm wrong). In the bible study I attend, we talked about how one would get into heaven.

First we talked about what would guarantee us a trip to heaven. We talked about how not even angels get a guarantee of going to heaven (2 Peter 2:4). Also, following the Ten commandments is not a guarantee into heaven. The Ten Commandments are about .06 percent of the Bible (Exodus 20:3-17, later repeated in Deuteronomy 5:7-21). If that was all that people needed to know, the other 99.94 percent of the bible wouldn't have been written.

Believing in God is not a guarantee into heaven. Satan believe God exists. In Job 1-2 he even has a conversation with God. He is not going to heaven. He will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone (Revelations 20:10).

Even if you don't murder or do other "really bad" things, you still aren't guaranteed a trip to heaven. Although murdering someone is one of the best ways to help you go to hell, the Bible never states that murdering anyone will get you into heaven. The same is true of not doing "lesser" crimes. Actually, the Bible says that at least two murderers did go to heaven; Moses and David. There are some people who have never killed anyone (or never did anything "really bad") who still went to hell (Luke 16:19-31).

God knew that there was no possible way that we could ever have any kind of association with Him because of our sin. Knowing that we could not erase even one sin on our own, and because He loved us so much, He sent His Son Jesus into the world. Since Jesus never sinned, He did not have to die. Still, He chose to die on the cross for the sins of all people. He became the "perfect" sacrifice for all our sins, and God accepted His death for our sins as payment in full. Therefore, Jesus became the "bridge" between us and God. It is only through what he did that we can have any association with God (John 14:6). All we have to do is accept Jesus as our Savior and love and live for Him.

In other words, it doesn't matter if you've "pissed Him (God) off", because He will love you no matter what you do. That also means He loved Hitler, the person, not his actions. If Hitler had truly repented his sins, taken Jesus as his Savior, and asked God's forgiveness, he could be in heaven right now.
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@Cheesebug

Ah, I'm going to hell and don't I know it.
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I was thinking about my answer on the previous page, and I realized that the "complexities of nature" argument was perhaps too large a leap of faith. I started to look around the internet for other, more concrete explanations of why God is real and I came across one that absolutely blew my mind. Again, I'm not telling anyone they have to believe in God, I'm only providing ideas and opinions.

I was looking at a website called gotquestions.org and they explained that there are four possible explanations as to why we have something, rather than nothing at all: Reality is an illusion, Reality is/was self-created, Reality is self-existent (eternal), Reality was created by something that is self-existent.

It goes on to explain that reality cannot be an illusion. Rene Descartes said "I think, therefore I am," meaning that if he was thinking, he had to "be." I think, therefore I am not an illusion.

We also cannot be "self-created" because it is an analytically false statement, meaning it's false by definition. Something cannot be created prior to itself. You cannot create yourself.

It also explains that something cannot arise from nothing, so it cannot be external. We know that the universe has a beginning (Einstein's Theory of Relativity) and most scientists believe that everything that has a beginning has a cause.

Thus, the only plausible explanation is that the universe had a Creator.

This was a little hard for me to explain because I don't understand the entire idea completely. I originally found it here. If you can find holes in the theory, I will try to defend it, but I can't guarantee I will be able to properly stand up for it.
Edited by SolarFlare, 1 Jul 2010, 08:04 PM.
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SF, you're pretty amazing right now. Mindblowingly so.
I need to find a biblestudy or something.
1 day a week just doesn't cut it, ay?
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Ha, thank you Luemas, but to tell the truth, I don't go to Sunday morning church. I only go to this one Bible study and read my Bible on my own. I haven't found a church I like... which is sad because there are something like 19 United Methodist Churches in my town, not to mention any other denominations... :(
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Eh, it's ok. You'll find a church eventually.

Prayer really works...

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...jerks?
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I was wondering if this was a Christian forum ?
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It is! It really is.

Welcome to a place where you can talk about Jesus, with little to no interference from our Atheist section.
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