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| Tweet Topic Started: 21 Aug 2010, 09:20 AM (1,082 Views) | |
| Rose | 21 Aug 2010, 09:20 AM Post #1 |
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Hello ![]() I basically define myself as an Atheist. However, I am Jewish, and hence was more exposed to Judaism's ideas and tend more to identify with it than Christianity. Now, obviously, as it is in Christianity and in Islam, Judaism claims to be the "true" religion, saying all other religions are wrong... Once I asked my very good religious Jewish friend, if she doesn't think all religions aim to worship and love the same God. And she said, the Christian God is not the same Jewish God. Later, I understood why. According to Judaism, God is spiritual, and is not solid. That what made the "Jewish" God different than the others gods that were back then, and what made him mightier. He was not a statue, he could not be removed or ruined or killed... even though God is called "he", he probably has no gender- since he is not human, he has no body- he is God. By Judaism, giving a shape to God, and believing somehing solid IS God- is a sin. And that is why, it doesn't come along with Christianity and Jesus. The idea that God had a child is, from its begining- something wrong by the Judaism. And from that point- the child is in the form of a human. God is in the form of a human- that is very anti-Jewish. I guess religious Jews see Jesus as a normal human being, maybe even could see him as a prophet (like in the Islam), but the fact he was called the son of God, and claimed to be so- means he made a very big sin (and I guess that's why he is not acknowledged in Judaism). I don't mean to offend anyone here at all. As I said, I am an Atheist (I don't believe in a true religion. I believe in humanity, and understanding one another, and free will, and love...). I just wonder what do you think about this- what is the Christian answer for what said above... And plus- some rules that were made in the Jewish bible, do not apply in Christianity -like eating Kosher- that's only one. Why? And sorry- I wrote a lot... I hope you will be able to read this whole thing lol and to understand it, since I am not an English speaker... Thank you. |
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| Concolor | 21 Aug 2010, 10:58 AM Post #2 |
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Rose! I can't answer your question, but it is a very interesting subject. I'll definetly follow the discussion
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| Midst Of Vampy | 21 Aug 2010, 12:12 PM Post #3 |
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Even if you are Jewish, you can be whatever you want to.
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21 Aug 2010, 03:30 PM Post #4 |
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So it falls to me ay? Well Rose, as most of my discussions go. I'm about as focused as, did I tell you about that time I developed lactose intolerance while working at a dairy farm? But welcome to Godlimations, I do understand what you're saying and might seem a bit strange when I say it. Gosh, I'm about as focused as a rabid squirrel. Now, I'm not familiar with the intricasies of the Jewish lifestyle. I know a bit here and there. 8 Nights, no lamb at passover horseradish etc. Matzah. That's fun. So yeah. That's about all I know, that, and the Jewish texts. I'm referring to what I call the Old testament. I'm not sure what you would call it. The Torah is the first five right? Or is that the Pentateuch.... We're going to have fun aren't we? So you're big problem, or at the very least, your religion's big problem, lies with Jesus. Which I understand, they didn't like him them, so why like him now. No offense if I appear a bit candid or ill phrased to cause offense, I try to be nice to people. So you have a thing against God being a physical being. This, is interesting, because physical, is anything that interacts in this world, no? So when God was the pillar of fire by night, and the cloud by day, is that not a physical manifestation? What's the difference between believing that, and Jesus. Besides the fact that one completely revolutionized the world and made a whole new religion. Or soemthing like that. Then, another thought. Even Balaam's donkey was used to speak. It was by an angel, who told Balaam to stop being so stupid and bless Israel. Why Couldn't Jesus also be used? I once again welcome you to the forum, and hope to see your response. ![]() |
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| Rose | 21 Aug 2010, 04:08 PM Post #5 |
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Well, I have two things to say about your "physical examples", lol. First, the answer that is according to the Judaism: God does interacts with the world, but the way he interacts with it- is not God himself. The pillar of fire, and the cloud, etc- are not God himself. These are things he used in order to communicate for the people's sake, but that's not him. People say Jesus is the son of God- by Christianity. Not an angel nor a way to communicate. And according to that, he is worshipped. People don't pray only to God, they pray also to Jesus. If Jesus was like the cloud and the pillar of fire, he was not called the son of God. (Plus these things are not worshipped) Actually, if he was meant to be just a way to communicate- there was only God who matters, and not also Jesus... Do you get what I mean? (I am also not completely focused) And my other answer to that- because actually I can give examples from the bible that refers to God as someone with a body (in Genesis...) but many other people "excuse" it and explain why was it written this way even though God has no body. So, as I wanted to say- my other answer for that, that is not according to the Judaism, is that it's only shows the religion can prove itself wrong... since it's only a bunch of stories that many people invented without deciding together how to make it sound right... But that is irrelevant, I guess, for this post- since that's another matter to talk about. |
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21 Aug 2010, 09:27 PM Post #6 |
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Ah. I see what you're saying there. I actually get what you're saying with the sin of having a physical body to worship. Which may be why Jesus went back to heaven, at least, as my religion teaches, so that no pictures etc could be made for him to be worshiped? |
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| dragonshardz | 22 Aug 2010, 12:17 AM Post #7 |
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*coughcough*Catholicism*coughcough* |
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| Rose | 22 Aug 2010, 03:46 AM Post #8 |
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But what about the idea that he WAS a body of God? And if Jesus is represented as the son of God, as if God was a father, had a gender etc- actually, although it means they are the same body, so Jesus had a gender as well... And by the way, thank you for your answers... ![]() Also- do you know why rules that were written in the Jewish bible are not also in the Christianity? And Dragonshardz- lol. What about Catholism and the topic? I understand less about the differences, I only know Catholism is firmer than Protestantism (?)
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| Concolor | 22 Aug 2010, 07:16 AM Post #9 |
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@Rose:Actually, some of them are and some are not. Like homosexuality is considered an abomination for most Christians, but shellfish are not, even though they are both condemned in the same book of the old testament. |
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22 Aug 2010, 11:39 AM Post #10 |
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Actually Romans talks about this Concolor, how if one wishes to abstain from shellfish and whatnot, he can, and let no one think less of him for doing so. However, homosexuality is a sin against the body, which is another discussion. |
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| Concolor | 22 Aug 2010, 12:22 PM Post #11 |
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@Lue: Ah, Romans, which verse? And where does it say that homosexuality is a sin against the body? All I've read is that it is an abomination, period. |
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22 Aug 2010, 02:16 PM Post #12 |
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Romans 14:3 NKJV Version: Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats, for God has received him. Basically, it would be like a vegetarian calling an omnivore as myself a murderer, and me calling the vegetarian a hippy. Which I wouldn't. There's nothing wrong with being a hippy. Really. Also, 1 Corinthians 6:18b: He who sins sexually sins against his own body. |
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| Concolor | 22 Aug 2010, 02:32 PM Post #13 |
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Thanx. Quite an interpretation you've got there. I don't really see anything about shellfish in that text. I do see something about eating versus not eating, not about what you would be eating. Also, this is not even about what is abominable or not, it is about us not judging those who do, or do not eat. And I do believe that is already covered by "Judge not less ye be judged". In short, you'd have to be pretty desperate for prawns in order to claim that this verse in any way negates the labeling of shellfish as abominable. I agree that from Corinthians, it looks reasonable to count homosexuality as a sin against your own body. Thanx for the enlightenment
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22 Aug 2010, 02:38 PM Post #14 |
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I see what you're saying about that. Which is why from now on I'll be nice and include links to the whole chapter ![]() http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+14&version=NIV |
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| Concolor | 22 Aug 2010, 03:04 PM Post #15 |
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Thanx. 14.14 even says that no food is unclean in itself. But from the wording it seems like it's not God or Jesus who is saying this. Who is the one who is attributed to this message? Also, 14.15 says: "If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died." I think I know of some Muslims and Jews who would not approve of me eating pork, or drink milk to my eggs&bacon. I guess that these things are forbidden? |
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Rose! I can't answer your question, but it is a very interesting subject. I'll definetly follow the discussion

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