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World View; Christianity one way or many views?
Topic Started: 14 Feb 2011, 05:44 PM (435 Views)
redang2424
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Ok so first I want to thank everyone for inviting me, I appreciate it..... But heres something that I would like to get into at the heart of my problems with Church, and I hope I can get it all out... Lol

World Views are hard to define because everyone has one... What one person may see as green I may see as purple ect.... But thats the thing with people who use the bible... I find it aggrivating that people pick and choose from the bible how they see fit and only follow certain parts. In my opinion You either follow the ENTIRE bible or you dont. (note only talking about those who profess to be christians) But if you dont follow the entire bible then dont call yourself a Christian call yourself something else. Dont get me wrong, you can follow what ever you want, but its not Christianity that you're following unless you obey all of God's commands.

This misuse of the bible in my opinion is what gives Christians a bad name....
-The crusades
-Salem witch trials
-gay bashing

Yea thats right I just said gay bashing lol.... I do think homsexuality is a sin, but no greater or less than other sins. Sin is sin in the eyes of God. And just to lay it down, a "Christian" that gossips = worse than non saved homosexual.... Because we who know God to be our Lord and savoir know better!!!!

Now there are alot of different parts to talk about in this thread I just started so please feel free to go on about any of them.... I will try my best to stay up with it =p
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Well I can tell we're going to be friends re.

I do believe the whole Bible, although... there is ambiguity.
And you'd be surprised how ambiguity can work so well. Take for example, the local flood theology vs. global flood theology. Both of them have convincing arguments. Does one have to be right and the other wrong? They both have knowledge of the greek and hebrew texts, and sound smart, how do we know which is right?
All that fun stuff.

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The flood one for me is a global one for me. I went to a Christian college, and basically in our earth sciences class we were able to find examples of the "flood" well globally lol..... For instance (and i know scientests in here are gonna jump but oh well lol), how you find fossils all over the world.... Also IF its a global flood the amount of rain falling from the sky to flood the earth would adjust the atmosphere enough for false carbon dating readings.... As for theology, thats one in my oprion that the hebrew more lends towards global conscidering the way moses spoke back in the day.... but i dont claim to fully lean towards one or the other... lol, im just glad it doesnt affect what i do in my spirtual life bwahahaha
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That's quite alright.
Sometimes we get hung up on the little things in theology. That are important, because it can lead to how perceptive you are of other miracles later on in the Bible.
But really, sometimes it's not quite as important...
Although the debates are fun!
Just ask Concolor!
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Right on Lue!

And yes, I did jump! :D
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Christianity is one path, but unfortunately one unobtainable by any human. That's spiritually AND intellectually. Mankind is incapable of completely understanding God's truth, so we have many imperfect variations of the same truth. Fortunately, thanks to Christ, a perfect grasp is not required. Only a grasp on Christ.

Of course, the question comes, if all paths are imperfect, why do we bother distinguishing between paths and arguing about differences?

Simply put, because we owe it to God. Or perhaps more properly, because we want to. Christ saved us, it is natural to want to serve him as best we can (or it should be. Again, imperfection). So even though we can never fully understand God's grace, we do our best, both because we want to and to bring glory to God.

It's also good intellectual exercise.
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How good a grasp is sufficient to separate the damned from the saved?
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conc who are you refering to??? whos grasp? grasp on what???
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Afal I would ask a simple question to you.... What is the point of being a Christian???? Answer: to be like Christ.... And thats why we move ever forward towards the goal just like paul said to....
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@redang

I would say that it is more to bring glory to God and serve him forever, but the point is a minor one since that is a lot of what being like Christ is about.

@Concolor (I'm choosing to think you were talking to me)

A grasp of Jesus, quite simply. Trust and belief in Jesus Christ as the one true Savior is really the only difference between the saved and the damned. Now, that being said, it is also important to understand HOW Christ saves you and your relation to him, but essentially Christ is the crucial ingredient.
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Afal I would say that bringing glory to God and serving him forever is a product of being like Christ.... Christian = Christ "like"
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Thanx Afalstein, that was what I was wondering.

And now the follow-up: How do you know that this is sufficient? You said we have an incomplete understanding of God's truth.
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^o) thats not what Alf said

He said "So even though we can never fully understand God's grace"

My understanding of Gods "truth" comes from learning,studying & renewing my mind with the living word of God - the Bible.

The Bible is the truth being the gospel & ultimately Gods plan for mans redemption.
John 14:6 tells us that Jesus "is the way,the truth & the life & no one comes to the father but through me"
Gods truth is fully understandable to man he was made with the capacity to search,understand & choose it - lucky for us Gods truth is not dependant on us or our faith...
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16 Feb 2011, 05:37 AM
Thanx Afalstein, that was what I was wondering.

And now the follow-up: How do you know that this is sufficient? You said we have an incomplete understanding of God's truth.
Incomplete, yes, imperfect, yes, insufficient, no. The Bible is rather clear on Christ's saving power, it's nearly the theme of the entire New Testament. So while we can't ever fully understand God's plan, there are certain aspects of it that are very clear indeed.

Think of it this way: We may never understand the entire universe, but nonetheless certain chunks of it CAN be successfully observed and understood.
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16 Feb 2011, 03:07 PM

Think of it this way: We may never understand the entire universe, but nonetheless certain chunks of it CAN be successfully observed and understood.
thats a dangerous assumption, :o

God is all powerfull all knowing ect.... To claim to fully know what he does things in any aspect I believe is belittling to his power....
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