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Topic Started: 9 Oct 2011, 05:38 PM (2,124 Views)
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Obviously they don't tend to care for them like we care for them, because they don't have the capability. Again,we are more advanced than some animals. Not all, some. Not even that, we're just evolved in different ways.
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Don't have that capability? Could not a wolf bring food to a wounded pup, rather than leave them in the waste of the arctic? (I read a bit of Jack London as a child)
Also, just as animals may fight over land and whatnot, akin to how we war over land and whatnot, never, have you seen an act like the Marshall Plan.
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What I meant by that, is they don't have the capability to tend to their young as we do, not as thuroughly. And I have seen, many times, wolf tend to the wounded pack members. Elephants do the same thing, they have a strong emotional connection with the herd and they all stick together.
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While I do admit that they tend to the wounded and whatnot, rarely do they give their lives to help the wounded. That is compassion that only we as humans have.
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What?! There are many, many more humans that would kill someone else rather than die. Humans are selfish.
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Okay, let's take a look at sone exaples then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOhdxDv9VCQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nkadPBEKFk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhjvK5EtqGo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sOw3mCz4Oc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And one just for the road:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpeK28oZFko&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Awwwwww. I like the last one. :)
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Most of the animals you mentioned though, were domesticated, to some modicum of an extent. Dogs, are greatly domesticated. The lion, a little bit. The squirrels, have been practically domesticated, I mean come on, have you seen the way they treat feeders? The hippo... that, I don't know.
But you only demonstrated in one instance where they fight to save one of their own species. And they didn't even save their life. Who knows what they wanted to do with the body of the squirrel. Just saying.
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So? They do not learn from us to save others, obviously. You said nothing before about a difference in domestic animals, or wild animals. And the squirrel was still protecting the other. If it had not been so, don't you think the squirrel would have dragged the carcass somewhere safe?
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@Lue: How can we know that other humans are not protecting people for the same self-centered motives you accuse other animals of?

I count my need to protect others as an instinct: It's not something I have to think about and use my intellect to figure out. Helping people comes on impulse, just like eating when hungry you help people when they're in need.
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Lue- The lion is NOT a domesticated animal by the way, not in the least. Only if raised by humans at pretty much birth, because it doesn't develope the same survival instincts.
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The lion was raised by humans from birth. It doesn't have generations of domestication like the cow or the dog, but that's why I said it was somewhat domesticated.

Yes, I admit there are many people who help people for selfish reasons. To prove to themselves that they aren't selfish. To score some points with God, so they can sin some more. So that the man with the golden voice can announce your games.

But rarely, in the human and animal kingdom, do you get people who are genuinely selfless. But I would say they are moreso in the humans than animals. Also, I would not consider Ghandi selfless. He fought to free his people, and thus, himself. On the same hand, you could say Moses wasn't selfless. It isn't your actions, but your heart.
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Buwahaha I like the man with the golden voice part.

No one is selfless completely, never.
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Not by themself. But with God. All is possible.
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So where do you get this idea from that there are more selfless humans than other species, do you merely assume so?

Also what do you intend to prove by claiming that there are slightly more selfless humans than say squirrels?
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