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Topic Started: Dec 5 2007, 06:29 PM (35,946 Views)
Elystriana
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Huh, mine have never turned into a grey smudge that I can remember. I have had the pen ink go all the way through the paper though- not fun. As for the iPad- notepads are bigger and have lines. I have problems writing straight and organized without lined paper. And I can tear out a page and hand it in for an assignment.
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towr
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I think there are bigger tablets. And it shouldn't be hard to get guiding lines to appear on a screen (or anything else, for that matter). And anyway, I'm pretty sure they come with software that can automagically turn written text into digital text, via character recognition. (I mean, palmtops had that 10 years ago.)
Admittedly tearing pages off would be a hard thing to realize; and integrating a printer would probably not be a very good solution. But, on the other hand, you could more easily make such a device waterproof; and you could just email in an assignment.
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Pencil smudging is part of drawing. You love the smudge. You adore the smudge. You can't make a drawing without the smudge. THE SMUDGE.
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Snofox Kari
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towr, anyone who draws often enough knows that NOTHING can replace a good ol' pencil to paper :rolleyes:


especially since you have very little control over the quality of pixels in a given area (unless you go through A LOT of trouble to make them perfect rather than simply doing it manually which would take less effort and be MUCH more efficient) ^_^

have you ever tried to write your signature on those electronic gadgets at the store? the technology is not yet perfected enough, however, there really is nothing that could replace drawing or writing manually

some things are just not meant to given up to technology :/ and drawing is one of them (although you could draw manually and perfect it with technology, that's a different story :3 )
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Snofox Kari
Oct 11 2010, 07:06 PM
especially since you have very little control over the quality of pixels in a given area
Good grief, use vector graphics, girl. Pixels, sheesh. Infinite resolution is where it's at.
And it's not like you have much control over your graphite flakes, for that matter.

But what it really comes down to, is that they're simple different. You can't do the drawings you can do with a computer with pencil and paper any more than the reverse. And the same holds for charcoal drawings, water colours, oil paint, etc. You can't replace any one by the other. (Although you can make a darn good approximation on the computer. You'll have more success approximating a water colour with a computer than with pencil and paper, that's for sure.)
You should really watch some of the videos on youtube of people creating art on their computer; it's awe-inspiring. If you think people can't draw as well on a tablet as on paper, you are very, very much mistaken.
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Snofox Kari
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you do have control over how thick or thin your tip is (without having to mess with it too much)

i use illustrator, i like it, it works, but it is NO replacement for good ol' pencil and paper no matter what :/


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and i never said that good art cant be made by computer, so quit putting words in my mouth and misinterpreting what i'm saying (as usual) i really dont appreciate it as it only brings up unrelated arguements that lead to stupidities...which in turn make a mess of a situation (so stop attacking me as if i'm saying something offensive :/ ) sound good? :3
Edited by Snofox Kari, Oct 11 2010, 08:30 PM.
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While it's true you can do some pretty cool stuff digitally that you just can't traditionally, I'd be inclined to say you need more skill to use pencil and paper. I once watched some really cool digital artists use paper....<snicker> they're really not as good without their little "undo" button, infinite canvas space and "zoom" option. <snort> It's like they don't know what to do when they erase too much and the paper wears, or when you can't erase and every stroke counts. =P
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Elystriana
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You also can't fold a tablet into a paper airplane and throw it at the wall when you get frustrated, either. Or....I suppose you could throw it at least, but I doubt that would be good for it. :rolleyes:
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All of which proves it just comes down to what effect/character/feel you want.

Also @ Kari: I didn't read towr's comments as claiming that you said "good art can't be made by computer" at all. Maybe it's just me, but his "you are very much mistaken" came across as a generalized statement for emphasis and not at all an accusation. Nobody said, or even suggested (at least from where I sit) that you said something offensive. Now, maybe I am mistaken. But even if I am, I find it's often more frustrating for a person trying to offend you when you don't take any offense. Just sayin'
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Snofox Kari
Oct 11 2010, 08:27 PM
you do have control over how thick or thin your tip is (without having to mess with it too much)
You have that with a graphics tablet as well, it's pressure sensitive. No need to mess around. And if a line doesn't suit you after all, you can remove it or adjust it.

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While it's true you can do some pretty cool stuff digitally that you just can't traditionally, I'd be inclined to say you need more skill to use pencil and paper.
That's probably true. Aside from a computer making it easier to fix mistakes, pencil also takes more skill to get shading and 'texture' right, especially if you're working with just one kind of pencil.


And thanks Dark, for showing a well-willing mind has no trouble reading my post correctly.
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well he did take my words out of context by excluding the parenthesis which explained what reversed :/

either way i'd be more grouchy this week (reasons i will not explain)
but if you are going to make a general statement, don't make it look like its directed at my words (in otherwords, be sure to separate it from what was addressing what i said if you are no longer doing so)
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Oct 12 2010, 02:02 PM
well he did take my words out of context by excluding the parenthesis which explained what reversed :/
I didn't, and still don't, really see how the bit in parentheses is relevant. If one uses vector graphics one doesn't have to do anything with pixels, let alone do a lot of work to make them look perfect. I suppose one could read it as meaning that with a lot of extra work one can make digital art look well, but one can do that without a lot, or any, extra work.
One might also notice I didn't quote most of that post, because I only responded to that first bit in particular and the rest of the post was on the topic in general.

I think the technology is a lot further than what you (specifically) give it credit for. And I can say that both from personal experience (I've been using a graphics tablet for some ten years (not to be confused with a tablet computer like the iPad, btw. (Not that I'm accusing anyone of confusing the two; it's just that one might easily confuse the two in this context.) ) ), and based on dozens of drawing videos I've watched (made by people far more skilled at drawing than me, which show no trouble making great drawings without fussing over pixel quality or line width).

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but if you are going to make a general statement, don't make it look like its directed at my words (in otherwords, be sure to separate it from what was addressing what i said if you are no longer doing so)
It is separate. It's both a separate paragraph, and a separate topic from the paragraph before it.
It's hardly my fault that in English one tends to use "you" for speaking in a general sense as well as when addressing a person or group directly. I could use "one", but one gets tired of that pretty quickly, and it starts to look ridiculous and artificial when one persists to do so against one's better judgment.
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Snofox Kari
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pixels have everything to do with line thickness (or what would you call the little dots that make up images? ex: 12 pt font...if not size than what is the 12pt refering to? ;P)

comparing actual drawing and computer art it where you have the fus, i have used design programs myself, i know where all the tools are and i can easily make an image, but it truly is easier to just jot it down on paper (and later on it could be improved by computer) i adore my undo and save buttons and layering, but Me said it, that's all easier to those who can't draw otherwise...as an artist, you don't want to bother with all that junk if you can quickly get the concept on paper the way you want it (take Shadilyn for example, she draws it on paper, scans it in and then polishes them to what we see as the final)



an don't even go into using the fact that this stinkin language doesn't work right...if you've gotten upset with me because you don't like how i explained something, then you should be more clear in your phrasing too (or be more understanding and less picky with what i say, your choice) still the parenthesis at that one point showed what you repeated later on as contrast to what was before the paranthesis (i use them for detail explinatin and you took it out :/ changing the context of the statement)
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Elystriana
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*hugs Kari* If it's a grouchy week for you, you need a hug. ^_^
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thanks >.<
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