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Read any good books lately?
Topic Started: Oct 20 2008, 03:21 PM (9,043 Views)
Elystriana
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We don't get tornadoes where I live......I suppose that's a good thing.
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Snofox Kari
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yep although we dont get earthquakes here i much prefer them over tornadoes...at least you can take cover
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I'd think a tornado was easier to take cover from. And you usually get advanced warning to do so. An earthquake might swallow you whole before you know it. They tend to kill a lot more people at a time as well.
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maybe but if you get sucked up with the wind your gone...with earthquake you dont need to run to nearest shelter lowest level...you just duck and cover under something strudy or stay in a clearing and you should be fine B)

no escape from tunnel of wind if it comes... some places dont have basements...what if youre on the freeway...you're doomed... :unsure: :( :-/
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Sep 14 2009, 04:17 PM
maybe but if you get sucked up with the wind your gone...with earthquake you dont need to run to nearest shelter lowest level...
No, indeed, you need to get out of the house before it collapses on top of you. Not that you have time too, because you won't know it's coming. So all you can do is hope you only ever experience small quakes that do little damage.

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you just duck and cover under something strudy or stay in a clearing and you should be fine B)
Just avoid standing in the path of mudslides, and cracks opening in the ground. Ooh, and liquifaction (a pretty amazing sight, but not something you'd want to be in).

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no escape from tunnel of wind if it comes...
You can always just get out of its way. It makes a fairly predictable path of destruction. Unlike an earthquake which can affect a very large area.

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some places dont have basements...what if youre on the freeway...you're doomed... :unsure: :( :-/
If it's a raised freeway, you really don't want to be there in an earthquake either, because if it collapses you're toast. e.g. http://www.vias.org/physics/example_3_1_11.html Admittedly, that's more like a sandwich, but still.
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you don't have much experience with quakes do you? :rolleyes: they may be unpredictable and strike w/o warning but in areas where they occur most structures are built to endure and protect those inside. where as places of tornadoes may try to be wind proof but can't quite absorb impact...

wow you are pesimistic...and disaserous :rolleyes: mudslides are only in some areas...usually for homes on hills after heavy rain more than earthquake...as for the ground opening up...those are called fault lines and already exist...no new ones would emerge with a simple little quake...it'd have to be enough to shake the whole continent to do that

get out of it's way! right...only when they invent warp speed or a teleporting device to evacuate the area safely w/o casualties... :rolleyes:

as for freeways...you want to be in an open area...no problem you won't be "toast sandwich"(unless it's rush hour :lol: then you might be stuck) but really...with tornado they say get off the freeway and seek nearest shelter... like you can just jump off and find a house knock and say "hi i was just on the freeway and seeking shelter" don't you think the home owners would not be able to ansswer if they are prepared? :-/
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Sep 14 2009, 07:05 PM
you don't have much experience with quakes do you? :rolleyes:
No, nor with tornadoes. Do you? They don't happen here a lot. (Well, not ones that you'd notice unless you're actually on top of them. A magnitude of 3.5 is about the highest we get; and it hardly counts until you get above 5.)
I've seen their consequences on the news and in documentaries, though; and of course there's plenty to read. If you look up statistics on which kills more, earthquakes win by a landslide. Sometimes literally.

[edit]Wikipedia actually has a list of deadliest natural disasters, including the top ten deadliest tornadoes, and a list of deadliest earthquakes.[/edit]

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they may be unpredictable and strike w/o warning but in areas where they occur most structures are built to endure and protect those inside.
Tell that to the victims of the Sichuan Earthquake last year, or the ones of the Bam earthquake in 2003.

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mudslides are only in some areas...
So are tornadoes.

And earthquakes.
And floods.
And avalanches.
And vulcano eruptions.

Doesn't make them any more pleasant.

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as for the ground opening up...those are called fault lines and already exist...
No, those are different things. Most fault lines show little scars on the landscape. I'll grant you, however, that it is typically where the ground opens up over. But most fault lines are unknown, because they're not nice simple curves around the tectonic plates. Where the plates meet, there is a whole network of fractures where quakes can occur and propagate along. It's not just the major fault-lines you know and love, like the san andreas fault.

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no new ones would emerge with a simple little quake...it'd have to be enough to shake the whole continent to do that
To cause an actual fault-line, maybe. But that wasn't what I was talking about. There only needs to be movement in any of the minor little fault-lines in the right direction, and the ground on top will open up, even if there wasn't any sign of it before because the fault line hadn't moved in hundreds of years..

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get out of it's way! right...only when they invent warp speed or a teleporting device to evacuate the area safely w/o casualties... :rolleyes:
What do you think tornado chasers do? Tornadoes don't go with warp speed, and if you move in direction orthogonal to the path of the tornado, you only need to move a few hundred meters to be safe.
Have you ever looked at photos of a town hit by a tornado? It shows a fairly straight path of destruction a few hundred meters wide, but houses on both sides of that path are pretty much unscathed.
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....I'm glad now that I live in the northwest.... :huh:
I think the worst thing we've been hit with up here is the remains of a hurricane (can't remember which one, somewhere in the lower half of the alphabet). It caused a lot of rain and some flooding- couldn't get into town for a while.
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lets put it this way...earthquakes are like airplane disasters...you hear more of the plane crashes than of trafic accidents

this is because traffic accidents are more frequent

and so...even though a high frequency quake may be disaterous...they occur less frequently than tornadoes... the preperation therefore is somewhat easier


also perhapse you did not read the "most" part when i wrote of the buildings...

to continue...there are more tornadoes per year that are deadly than quakes...this causes acumulation of victims throughout the year

meaning... 1 earthquake kills 300...20 tornadoes every two months may kill 10 per tornado...till the end of the year...

research says:
Many tropical land based locations experience over 100 thunderstorm days per year which may cause tornadoes with destructive potential

and no more than 20 quakes per year at deadly magnitudes (some of those places don't have people at the epicenter)
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lets put it this way...earthquakes are like airplane disasters...you hear more of the plane crashes than of trafic accidents

this is because traffic accidents are more frequent
And less deadly.
But even then the sumtotal of deaths due to car accidents far outnumbers airplane victims, even per person per mile transported. This isn't the case for earthquakes and tornadoes. There are several orders of magnitudes more earthquake victims. And like car accidents most tornadoes don't kill anyone either. But when they do, they do get a mention in the news, unlike car accidents.

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and so...even though a high frequency quake may be disaterous...they occur less frequently than tornadoes... the preperation therefore is somewhat easier
That doesn't follow at all. In fact preparation for infrequent events is more likely not to be done well.

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also perhapse you did not read the "most" part when i wrote of the buildings...
Or perhaps you don't know that most buildings are in Asia in poor countries. where most of the population of our planet is.

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to continue...there are more tornadoes per year that are deadly than quakes...this causes acumulation of victims throughout the year

meaning... 1 earthquake kills 300...20 tornadoes every two months may kill 10 per tornado...till the end of the year...
That seems rather a low number of death for a notable earthquake, considering I can name three from the last decade alone that together killed over 350 thousand people. And you seem to overestimate the frequency and deadliness of tornadoes; If you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_tornadoes_and_tornado_outbreaks it's pretty clear you need an outbreak with dozens of tornadoes to get that many victims. For example, late may 2008: 234 confirmed tornadoes, only 10 fatalities. that's less than 1 per 5 tornadoes.

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What research?

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Many tropical land based locations experience over 100 thunderstorm days per year which may cause tornadoes with destructive potential
What is meant by "destructive potential"? Does it tear a few boards off houses? And how many are deadly? And how deadly?

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and no more than 20 quakes per year at deadly magnitudes (some of those places don't have people at the epicenter)
How deadly? And how many earthquakes with "destructive potential"? I mean, you have to compare similar things, not different ones.
Even the weak magnitude 3 quakes we get occasionally here have destructive potential, they make cracks appear in the walls of some houses.

I still haven't seen any reason or any numbers which would rather make me take my chances with an earthquake than a tornado (or even tornado outbreak).
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look...in terms of readiness...it takes a richer country...I thought that was obvious

and those from the last decade I lived through them all including one very close to where i lived...yes much destruction and many strong aftershocks and yes unpredictable
But I still stand by that I prefer quakes to tornadoes...

lets say you live somewhere (what's that? you already do? good...) near a fault...(still with me?) ok now how many earthquakes are there per year? what if it was a bad year? a 7 magnitude quake struck 10 miles away from where you live many homes/ buildings took damage closer to the epicenter...they need repair or to be rebuilt... that area was not heavily populated but highly popular...
the extent of the quake lasted only 100 miles radius from the epicenter(just a number outof a hat...i dont know how far it would really go--don't remember) there were only 50 casualties (alot and still a little) with the random aftershocks of lower magnitude your home gets shaken up quite a bit...you lost the TV and almost all your china...a tree crashed through your roof but everyone within ten miles was ok
how many years might it be before another quake so deadly would occur? maybe never again in your lifetime... maybe only two 3 to 5 mag quakes in the next two years...

smaller quakes in a given area are more frequent less deadly...in the same area they may never be felt... areas with volcanic activity have more to worry about with quakes...

all my examples include California experience...not China...So what I'm saying is as right as your own arguements...I am not using the world as a whole but a small area of the world where I'd rather be ducking from quakes than across the country doging tornadoes every year... tornadoes ARE more frequent here than earthquakes in CA...therefore I'll take my chances with quakes better than heavy devestating winds

now stop trying to make my words more general than they are :rolleyes:
and don't get too excited about the subject because clearly you don't want to be on the same page when I started the subject :ermm: and Jason says he dabates for the heck of it... :rolleyes:
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Are you done then? Can I come back now? :unsure:
I tend to run away and hide at the mention of 'debate'. :sweatdrop:
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Not to get of subject but-

Actually yes.

Harriet the Spy. Anyone seen the movie? (I haven't) Harriet is a very marvelous character! I wanna get the next one...
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*looks at snofox and Towr blankly* I is not following... I agree with Elys.
@Elly- never heard of it.
I'm currently reading Dragon Quest, second book of the Dragon Keeper series.
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Not to get of subject but-

Actually yes.

Harriet the Spy. Anyone seen the movie? (I haven't) Harriet is a very marvelous character! I wanna get the next one...
I think I've seen the very beginning. I don't really remember much, though.
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