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Topic Started: Jan 10 2010, 04:53 AM (4,463 Views)
towr
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TheDeepDark
Jan 25 2010, 12:49 AM
having said that, let's mention some more bizarre laws on the books!
Apparently, in the UK, it is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament. -- I'm not sure what penalty they have in mind.
And in France, it is forbidden to call a pig Napoleon.

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i think in florida (i could be wrong...been a while since i heard it) it is illegal to tie your pet croc to a lamp post (who would want a pet crocodile is beyond me :lol: )
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While you're at it, you might as well claim that Jesus was irrelevant!
That is quite possibly the must insulting thing anyone has ever said to me in my history of debate. Don't do it again. I'm not stuck on the Old Testament, I just feel it has more to offer in this instance, if you really can't take anything other than the New Testament, I believe Romans 1: 1-6 backs me just as well.

Also, I think even you would have to admit if we had a shot at Hitler, it would have been wrong not to take it, regardless of sending him to hell. I'm pretty confident in saying he headed to hell anyhow, he just took thousands of people with him.

@Towr: If people were to stay in prison for SURE, then that would indeed solve the problem, and I would be among the people screaming for nixing CP. That we can agree on.
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Can we at least agree that people who don't re-offend deserve a second chance in society? Cause I'll take what I can get ;)
If there were a one time offender under emotional circumstances, the yes, I can agree with you there.
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I don't believe you could. There is a huge psychological barrier, and I honestly don't think you, or most people, can get past that.
(There is a barrier to be sure, but only if you think about it while doing it. That is why thousands of murders still happen, because you don't think about it during 'the game'. If I were to do it...I could probably do it, but the barrier would catch up as you say, and I would quite probably and literally go insane afterward, but the person would still be dead. It's all about viewing them as animals while you do it, but hopefully, we'll never find out.)

I believe the debate has ended, and people are tired of us beating the dead horse, so this is where we three stand:
Jason thinks the government should act on a personal basis with the same standards the Christ gave to the people, and that it is not our job to execute murderers.
Towr thinks it just doesn't work as a deterrent, and it's better for several guilty men to go free than execute 1 innocent one, especially when there are better alternatives.
Me thinks that there are no better alternatives, and that we will have blood on our hands either way since we are responsible for the lives that are murdered in their sins when killers get out of prison, so it's better to kill on man in his sins with time to think about it, than let several ones be murdered without the same luxury.

I believe the 0.5 millimeter of common ground to be found here is that none of us like the idea of capital punishment, and if there were better alternatives we'd agree altogether. That is what I'm thinking.

Also! Suicide is against the law mainly due to the vast amount of failed ones. :rolleyes:
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I can live with that summary and conclusion :)


As for shooting Hitler. It's interesting from the perspective of how you could alter history. (Obviously if it comes down to "there is an (evil) person who would inevitably be responsible for millions of deaths, and shooting him will prevent this. Would you think it justified to kill him?", then even I would say yes, given the premises.)
I don't think it would practically change things much. War was practically inevitable because of the Versailles treaty, and fascists where popping up all over Europe. Someone else would have led the Nazi party to much the same conclusion. Except he might have had better sense than to attack Russia. The British at some point did have plans to assassinate Hitler ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Foxley ), but one of the reasons they didn't follow through on those plans was because he was making such poor strategic decision they didn't know whether they would actually be better off if he were gone.
Another interesting tack on changing the course of WW2 history, is whether it might not work to stimulate Hitlers artistic career while he was a young man in Vienna. If he had managed to become a successful painter, he might not have grown up a genocidal maniac. (This is assuming we have a choice when to intervene in history.)
Perhaps a more effective way to prevent world war two and all its horrors would be to prevent the first world war, and shoot Gavrilo Princip before he assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand. On the other hand, the further back you go to change things, the more unpredictable the future results. (We could just go back to the time of the dinosaurs and trample a few insects.)

Also, ever notice how many stories where you go back in time to change things, when you return the Nazis have taken over the world?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel :lol:
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Annddd....we're back to agreeing on things, Towr! (Wow, that was fast) :lol:

(Also, Jason, you may post your final rebuttal and I will not refute it, because you were the last person to get refuted.)

That was fun. I actually learned stuff from that one, and now I'm thoroughly sick of reading about capital punishment! :lol: :rolleyes:
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shooting hitler?! anyone seen "inglorious basterds?"
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I see we're now carrying on two simultaneous conversations.

I think a pet crocodile would be okay. Why in the world you would be tying one to a lamp post is what I wanna know.
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Jan 25 2010, 11:17 PM
I think a pet crocodile would be okay. Why in the world you would be tying one to a lamp post is what I wanna know.
Because tying one to the back of your car would be dangerous for the crocodile if you forgot and drove off. Obviously :rolleyes:
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*laugh* *choke* *snicker* :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Jan 25 2010, 01:13 AM
(what's more cruel? allowing someone to commit suicide
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forcing them to suffer a life that is eating away at them like an acid slowly degrading them piece by peice until there is nothing left but a hollow shell in a hollow existance where no one really seems to care because they are to busy worrying about your physical health that they forget that it is your mental/emotional health that is in immediet danger with all the bickering and lies and backstabbing that is driving you to the edge dangling from a thread at the neck while you slowly suffocate through it all?)
The fact is that almost without exception, their life really isn't just an acid destruction. They just don't see that (and I grant you, it can sometimes be awfully hard to see).
I should know, I still have to remind myself occasionally. Have had to since I first approached suicide at age 9.

Not to be insulting, but suicide is a cop-out. Humans have proved again and again the ability to rise above the worst possible circumstances and make things better, at the very least themselves.
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towr
Jan 25 2010, 11:20 PM
Elystriana
Jan 25 2010, 11:17 PM
I think a pet crocodile would be okay. Why in the world you would be tying one to a lamp post is what I wanna know.
Because tying one to the back of your car would be dangerous for the crocodile if you forgot and drove off. Obviously :rolleyes:
Maybe you wanted to eat it? The crocodile meat I've had could have used the extra tenderizing. :P
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Jan 25 2010, 11:22 PM
Maybe you wanted to eat it? The crocodile meat I've had could have used the extra tenderizing. :P
If mythbusters has taught me anything, it's that explosive makes a good tenderizer. Meat + shockwave = tender
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You gonna eat my pet crocodile?! :'(
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Jan 25 2010, 11:27 PM
You gonna eat my pet crocodile?! :'(
He'd do the same to me if he had the chance!

But no.
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Jan 25 2010, 11:21 PM
Snofox Kari
Jan 25 2010, 01:13 AM
(what's more cruel? allowing someone to commit suicide
or
forcing them to suffer a life that is eating away at them like an acid slowly degrading them piece by peice until there is nothing left but a hollow shell in a hollow existance where no one really seems to care because they are to busy worrying about your physical health that they forget that it is your mental/emotional health that is in immediet danger with all the bickering and lies and backstabbing that is driving you to the edge dangling from a thread at the neck while you slowly suffocate through it all?)
The fact is that almost without exception, their life really isn't just an acid destruction. They just don't see that (and I grant you, it can sometimes be awfully hard to see).
I should know, I still have to remind myself occasionally. Have had to since I first approached suicide at age 9.

Not to be insulting, but suicide is a cop-out. Humans have proved again and again the ability to rise above the worst possible circumstances and make things better, at the very least themselves.
that's what i believe...how can anyone be (yes i'm going harsh on this one) so stupid as to end their own life (or any life for that matter...with the exception of preservation)
although i can truly understand what it's like to be shoved into such a deep dark pit with not but a tiny shimmer of light to keep you hopeful

there were times when i felt meaningless...when hope seemed to be a figment of my imagination until i met her in person...she wants to be my friend...the only one who ever came up to me openly and said "Hi, Kari! I want to be your friend!" with a cute sincere smile

so i will not abandon her! ^^
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