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| TheDeepDark | Mar 17 2010, 10:30 PM Post #16 |
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What definition do you use? And to simply agree with you would mean you successfully manipulated me into changing my own stance to match yours. ![]() |
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| Elly the Orange Cake | Mar 17 2010, 10:45 PM Post #17 |
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Just because we are Christians doesn't mean we all agree on the same things. I know for a fact I was taught and brought up plenty different than most 'Christians' out there. Y'know, the ones who brag their Christianity and yet they don't know the first thing about Jesus. =-= I'd still like to know what you know. If were Christians who agree with each other, that's good. That means either were all wrong or were actually GETTING somewhere. But who's to say we don't have a disagreement? There are plenty of thing we could. Are you Pre-trib or post-trib? What do you think of homosexuality? Do you have questions or hesitations on certain parts of the bible, like, y'know in Jude? What little tidbits of revelation have you learned from the bible? There are ALWAYS things to talk about, it doesn't have to be a debate. We will never fully understand the intricacy behind the levels and symbolism of the bible until were up there with the good Lord himself learning about it all, right? By the way, I am really glad that most of us here are Christians. It makes me feel really comfortable. (Ugh, I understand, Rue-chan....having a discussion with a Satanist would be real creepy.) Edited by Elly the Orange Cake, Mar 17 2010, 10:47 PM.
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| TheDeepDark | Mar 17 2010, 10:51 PM Post #18 |
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I'll admit it's a little hard for me because a lot of these questions aren't questions for me anymore. |
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| Me | Mar 17 2010, 11:03 PM Post #19 |
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Aspiring World Ruler and Eccentric Cynic
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Or he just successfully manipulated you into defending your stance. |
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| TheDeepDark | Mar 17 2010, 11:05 PM Post #20 |
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Exactly. |
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| Me | Mar 17 2010, 11:12 PM Post #21 |
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And I just manipulated you into agreeing with me. (THIS IS SO EASY!) |
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| TheDeepDark | Mar 17 2010, 11:26 PM Post #22 |
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I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to find Me so taken with the idea... |
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| Me | Mar 17 2010, 11:30 PM Post #23 |
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And you're trying to manipulate me to do something now...
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| Me | Mar 17 2010, 11:32 PM Post #24 |
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Also, Elly: My family likes to say we're a melting pot of heresies. Baptist heretic, an Episcopalian heretic, a Catholic heretic, a Lutheran heretic, a Presbyterian heretic, a Methodist heretic, and 3 other kinds of heretic. I've been raised in all the churches of at one time or another - so I'm an equal opportunity heretic! Which is to say, I'm non-denominational. It's good and not good; I get along with everyone but at the same time I don't ALL the way get along with anyone. Am I what? I don't like it. Yeah. It's SCARY, is what it is. Fortunately he was young, so he hadn't 'leveled up' enough to be very threatening. Most Satanists are just going through an attention/'this is cool' phase they grow out of - much like emos and goths and the like. But if you see 40 year old who hasn't abandoned it by then with a pentagram tattooed on his arm.. try not to mess with him. Run. You don't mess with Satanists who have been there a long while. |
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| towr | Mar 17 2010, 11:35 PM Post #25 |
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Defender of the pie
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I don't tend to use definitions for words, I'm more of an adherent of the "language game" approach to meaning. But let's open a dictionary and pick one: "to manage or influence skillfully, esp. in an unfair manner: to manipulate people's feelings. " I'd add a dash of "willful" and "to one's own ends" to the mix, myself. Manipulation is about getting someone to do what you want them to by pulling strings they're not fully aware of. That doesn't apply to most communication. To start with, most communication is pretty aimless; and effects it has are often not intended (or for that matter unintended). If you talk about chocolate and I think, "hey I could go for some chocolate now", then you haven't just manipulated me into eating chocolate. That was almost certainly an entirely non-intentional consequence. It would only be manipulation if you had intended to make me eat chocolate and considered that saying so and so would have that surreptitious effect on me (and unless you were correct it would stall at a mere attempt of manipulation). So what definition (or conception) do you use? Feel free to pick one of the other options at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/manipulate I just picked the first one cause I'm lazy. |
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| towr | Mar 17 2010, 11:51 PM Post #26 |
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It seems to have to do with the timing of certain events at the rapture It's not something I'd split a church over, but people have split churches over less. |
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| Elly the Orange Cake | Mar 17 2010, 11:59 PM Post #27 |
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Also, Elly: My family likes to say we're a melting pot of heresies. Baptist heretic, an Episcopalian heretic, a Catholic heretic, a Lutheran heretic, a Presbyterian heretic, a Methodist heretic, and 3 other kinds of heretic. I've been raised in all the churches of at one time or another - so I'm an equal opportunity heretic! Which is to say, I'm non-denominational. It's good and not good; I get along with everyone but at the same time I don't ALL the way get along with anyone. I am non-denominational, also. Christian is Christian. I belive in the whole bible. No more, no less. Thats how it should be. Am I what? What Towr said. Err. gave information too. I don't like it. Good. Very good. Yeah. So do I. >D But believing is understanding it first. It's SCARY, is what it is. Fortunately he was young, so he hadn't 'leveled up' enough to be very threatening. Most Satanists are just going through an attention/'this is cool' phase they grow out of - much like emos and goths and the like. But if you see 40 year old who hasn't abandoned it by then with a pentagram tattooed on his arm.. try not to mess with him. Run. You don't mess with Satanists who have been there a long while. No kidding....No kidding. Thats just really...asking for it. Edited by Elly the Orange Cake, Mar 18 2010, 12:05 AM.
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| Elly the Orange Cake | Mar 18 2010, 12:06 AM Post #28 |
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It's not something I'd split a church over, but people have split churches over less. But Pre-trib is that you believe the rapture will occur before the tribulation...Post is after. I belive in pre...and I am dead ready for it! ![]() It has split churches..but frankly, You'd think you'd wanna be raptured before the trib either way, eh? o__o |
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| Me | Mar 18 2010, 06:49 AM Post #29 |
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My favorite character, Frances Albriech,'s domino speech, comes to mind. (Click the next 2 pages, too.) By the dictionary: "To control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means, especially to one's own advantage." 'Cept more emphsis on the 'artful' rather than 'unfair' or 'insidius' - they all make it sound so NEGATIVE. I like towr's "To one's own ends" rather than "Own advantage", too - since you can 'manipulate' something to screw you over for someone else as much as your own gain.. |
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| Me | Mar 18 2010, 07:09 AM Post #30 |
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@Elly and towr: Hey, I've seen a church split over carpet color - there are sure more petty things than the end of the world. I never really put much effort into finding an opinion on the tribulation and such, actually. Unlike things such as Capital Punishment and all those, which are relevant to the present time, the end of the world doesn't matter too much to me. You'll either be around to say 'I told you so' if you have a theory on it or you won't; no use thinking about it. It's... like trying to argue on whether you'll get married when you get older. You will or you won't; do your school in the meantime. You just have to be ready to go at any time - beyond that, just roll with it, and work with what you're given. I don't think on the future aside from preparing for it - I don't need to.
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