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Okay, seriously....
Topic Started: Mar 14 2010, 04:52 AM (3,210 Views)
Snofox Kari
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TheDeepDark
Mar 16 2010, 03:00 PM
Did you know that all communication between people is, at it's core, manipulation?
I'm manipulating you all RIGHT NOW as Each one of us does Every time we post.

(sorry, couldn't resist)
and what do you think i've been doing, dearie? :rolleyes:
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Mar 18 2010, 07:09 AM
@Elly and towr: Hey, I've seen a church split over carpet color - there are sure more petty things than the end of the world. :rolleyes: I never really put much effort into finding an opinion on the tribulation and such, actually. Unlike things such as Capital Punishment and all those, which are relevant to the present time, the end of the world doesn't matter too much to me. You'll either be around to say 'I told you so' if you have a theory on it or you won't; no use thinking about it. It's... like trying to argue on whether you'll get married when you get older. You will or you won't; do your school in the meantime. You just have to be ready to go at any time - beyond that, just roll with it, and work with what you're given. I don't think on the future aside from preparing for it - I don't need to.
HAH! WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD? That's not what the tribulation is about, Rue-chan. It's judgment upon those who have sinned there on Earth. There is nothing about the 'end of the world' in the bible. When it's all done, of course, God will REMAKE the world. I think all Christians- no, scratch that- all Christians SHOULD be waiting for the Rapture...don't you want to meet with Jesus?? I CANT WAIT. I'm so tired of the wicked in the world!
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Isn't that a bit selfish? The wicked wouldn't have much of a chance to mend their wicked ways if the rapture came tomorrow. The more time they have, the better, surely.
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HAH! WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD?
Last I knew the Tribulation is to happen in the End Times before the Second Coming. While it may not literally be the end of the world, per se, I always thought of it as the end of the current one.
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That's not what the tribulation is about, Rue-chan. It's judgment upon those who have sinned there on Earth.
"End of the world", hon.
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I think all Christians- no, scratch that- all Christians SHOULD be waiting for the Rapture...
Well, if you think about it, we ARE, whether we like it or not. The non-Christians are waiting for it, too. Can't exactly stop the train by saying it isn't there. :rolleyes:
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don't you want to meet with Jesus??
Sure. And I will regardless of anything. ^_^
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I CANT WAIT. I'm so tired of the wicked in the world!
I'm tired of it, too, but I don't exactly want to see the end come. I'll meet my Lord and Savior no matter what happens; so I'd hope the rapture isn't as close as I wouldn't be dead first. I personally don't want to see the gate shut for eternity considering the amount of unsaved souls that will be damned to hell for all eternity any sooner than it will. I can stand seeing a while more of mercy from our Father - He had enough for me of all people, I want the same for everyone else before it's too late. (But then we have to bring in if it would be better now than later when the world is more far gone, and all that headache)
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So, I did a little research as I'm now curious (you guys are good at making me do that) and here are the 3 definitions according to Answers.com.

Apparently I am not pre-trib by a long shot. Post-trib makes.. more sense to me, but then when you combine that with the pre-trib view of His protecting His children, I also go for that, too - so I think that effectively puts me in the unpopular mid-trib view. (<snort> Shock, I'm in the minority view. )

I think the way I'm seeing it is: If we were just taken up and the people left behind were pretty much done for, why would we even have another judgment for them? We'll probably stay to see the Antichrist and the persecution of the Christians, and our faith will be put to the test while we're still here to as witnesses to try to save as many as we can.

It seems right that we should stick around for it at least to save others as we're no better than the unsaved, in my eyes. The only thing we're exempt from as Christians is possession, after all. "We're just as prone to fire, we just have the fire insurance." Since God is merciful as he is just, from where I sit, leaving us as witnesses here even in the face of persecution is not only an act of mercy to the still lost, but something we knowingly signed up for when we joined this boat ride. Naturally, we wouldn't want to stay, but I think as Christians we should want to stay even if we were given the option to leave - that's part of what's supposed to set us apart from others - selflessness for others.

Thoughts?
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sorry but im not supersticious...i beleive in balancing myth and truth into a nice legend...

you cant take everything literally and then toss out science...at the same time you cant have only science because, well, science came from somewhere :rolleyes:

so you can fight about the details but its really the big picture that matters...we cant be too sure about the rest...so what if its one gradient shade darker blue than the other guys picture? its still the same idea right?
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Holy crap could I say a lot here that would come across as way out in left field from just about EVERYTHING said to this point. <thinks that might be a bad idea, but mostly doesn't fully trust himself to clearly state his point>

Edit: Or more likely simply is working under time constraints that wouldn't allow for an effective reply now, but foolishly wanted to say something anyway
Edited by TheDeepDark, Mar 20 2010, 12:40 AM.
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As no one here is interested in arguing this time, hon; I'd say go for it. <shrug>
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HAH! WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD?
Last I knew the Tribulation is to happen in the End Times before the Second Coming. While it may not literally be the end of the world, per se, I always thought of it as the end of the current one.
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That's not what the tribulation is about, Rue-chan. It's judgment upon those who have sinned there on Earth.
"End of the world", hon.

No. The world will NOT end. Just be judged. I guess, yeah, the end of our world....but God doesn't technically remake it until after Jesus' reign. What was it, 1000 or 10000?

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I think all Christians- no, scratch that- all Christians SHOULD be waiting for the Rapture...
Well, if you think about it, we ARE, whether we like it or not. The non-Christians are waiting for it, too. Can't exactly stop the train by saying it isn't there. :rolleyes:

He said you will not know the day or the hour. You think non-Christians will even be raptured if they are not even Christians? No. scratched that. As long as you believe in the whole bible and Jesus Christ, love him, put forth that love...do what he says and all that good stuff, then yes. But he wanted you to be anxious for the rapture, remember that.

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don't you want to meet with Jesus??
Sure. And I will regardless of anything. ^_^

Oh, man is it exciting just thinking about it.


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I CANT WAIT. I'm so tired of the wicked in the world!
I'm tired of it, too, but I don't exactly want to see the end come. I'll meet my Lord and Savior no matter what happens; so I'd hope the rapture isn't as close as I wouldn't be dead first. I personally don't want to see the gate shut for eternity considering the amount of unsaved souls that will be damned to hell for all eternity any sooner than it will. I can stand seeing a while more of mercy from our Father - He had enough for me of all people, I want the same for everyone else before it's too late. (But then we have to bring in if it would be better now than later when the world is more far gone, and all that headache)

Oh, thats what my dad always says..."How the heck is God so patient with this world?! I wish I had that kinda patience!!" But ohh, his patience is wearing thin. But remember, there is still one last chance after the rapture- it's not the end just yet.
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No. The world will NOT end. Just be judged. I guess, yeah, the end of our world....but God doesn't technically remake it until after Jesus' reign. What was it, 1000 or 10000?
Well I mean the end of the world as we know it. the American Revolution marked the end of the 13 Colonies. It's the same land, yeh, but it's America - so that was the end of the 13. Not literally the end, but the end of this one all the same. ;)
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Oh, thats what my dad always says..."How the heck is God so patient with this world?! I wish I had that kinda patience!!" But ohh, his patience is wearing thin.
Heh. Paul though he must have been in the End Times with Rome and all the crap that was, and a ton of people thought Hitler was the Antichrist and we were in the End Times during WWII - seemed pretty accurate, but turns out not our time yet. I don't know if this is the end times or not, I just be ready for it.
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He said you will not know the day or the hour. You think non-Christians will even be raptured if they are not even Christians?
Nah. I'm an optimist, I don't lie to myself to be so, though.
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Oh, man is it exciting just thinking about it.
Yes, it is! ^_^
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As long as you believe in the whole bible and Jesus Christ, love him, put forth that love...do what he says and all that good stuff, then yes. But he wanted you to be anxious for the rapture, remember that.
Ehh.. I think the rapture will be awesome - but as I think it'll happen either mid or post trib I don't mind saying it rather frightens me to think about it coming. I look forward to graduating college with ever fiber of my being but the work that's it's going to take to get there, not so much. If I thought it were pre-trib I'm sure I'd want it to come tomorrow, but I think it'll be a world of hurt to get there. But odd as it sounds, I also look forward to being part of the tribulation more than the rapture. I know I can't repay God for accepting me, but being here for the end times, Antichrist and all that to help would at least be a token of thanks on my part, in my eyes. /Odd little person.
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Uh. Yeah, I've read things about the trib. It won't be pretty. It'll be scary. I wouldn't want to go through it. O___o
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A man must be born again of the water and the Spirit (sometimes called the baptism by fire). So to, perhaps, the Earth?

It was already baptized with water (the Flood) and by fire and the holy ghost? Before the Second Coming. It's an interesting thought at the least.

Now, I'm a little unclear about understanding what all the Rapture is. My belief (based off of a number of supporting verses I'm too lazy to look up right now, and in common within my church) is that of the worthy being caught up to meet Christ and then descend with Him as He comes to Earth to usher in the Millenium (seeing as it doesn't make much sense that the people here for the Millenium would be a bunch of not righteous people)
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i don't know...i like to think i'm pretty rooted in my faith...but don't gimme all that extra supersticious mumbo jumbo...as i recall Jesus never said anything so clear about that...he said he'd come again and he did...who said he ever left? as i know, he could still be here anyway...in all our hearts
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I prefer to think God is very definite in how he operates. I don't see anything about Him being deliberately nebulous.
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Mar 17 2010, 11:32 PM
You don't mess with Satanists who have been there a long while.
I don't run.

I cry.

'Cause really, my God can handle him - and anything else that his god throws at me. But to see someone that lost is just heartbreaking.
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