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| Me | Mar 25 2010, 02:06 PM Post #106 |
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Heh. I love how when Jason and I disagree about something we're very "RAWR!!!!" and when Dark and one of us disagree about something we're all "Meow.." KJV is what my family uses every night, so that's just what I use; though I didn't think there was too much difference between that and the next other than some are supposedly easier to understand (i.e: NIV). |
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| Snofox Kari | Mar 25 2010, 02:08 PM Post #107 |
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exactly...different wording = one guy's intterpetation of the original...it's almost like oral history...passed down translated rephrased and somewhere around there the true message is split into many different stories which can also be re-interpretted into many other thoughts which may be further from the original than the first translation or transcription |
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| Jack | Mar 25 2010, 02:15 PM Post #108 |
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Interpretation and wording are not equivalent; go get a dictionary. Seriously, tho' - they're not, so you can't equate them in those terms. Interpretation changes the basic meaning; wording changes how the base meaning is presented. May seem like a small difference, but it's quite literally a matter of life and death.
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| Snofox Kari | Mar 25 2010, 02:29 PM Post #109 |
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they may not be the same but one depends on the other
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| Jack | Mar 25 2010, 06:35 PM Post #110 |
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Indeed. Which is why it's so important that you realize that there's only one interpretation - that it is the inerrant Word of God - but how that applies to people's lives is what changes. For instance, one person may need help understanding how to love better, and another might need to understand justice better. That's how it applies differently. But you can't use the same words from the same portion of Scripture to justify something that contradicts another portion of Scripture. "Man does not fit the Bible to his needs; indeed, it is God who fits man into the Bible's requirements." Because obviously we can't do it by ourselves. By the way, Kari, you're still anthropomorphizing God.
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| TheDeepDark | Mar 25 2010, 09:03 PM Post #111 |
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The only problem with that, as there obviously can be only "one interpretation" is that EVERYone claims theirs is that one interpretation, when those who's interpretation differs say the exact same thing. So what makes the interpretation you see the right one? |
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| Jack | Mar 25 2010, 10:14 PM Post #112 |
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The Biblical one. Okay, I know that sounds like I'm arguing in a circle, so hear me out. God's Word is Jesus - they are equated in the Bible - and Jesus is affirmed to be the perfect Son of God in many parts of the Bible, not just the New Testament. That being said, if Jesus is perfect, then He must have told the truth - the truth about Himself. Now, if He told the truth about Himself, then He is the Truth. Since He is the Truth, the Word, being Himself, is true. Sounds like a circle, but it's not because of this: God needs no justification save Himself. Therefore, only that that is in accord with the rest of the Bible is true, while that that contradicts any part of the Bible must be discarded. That's why I say that the interpretation is correct: because it corroborates with the rest of Scripture. If I find a piece of what I believe that does not, it must be left by the side of life's highway, to leave room for that which does. Good question; hope I provided a satisfactory answer. Edited by Jack, Mar 25 2010, 10:15 PM.
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| Snofox Kari | Mar 25 2010, 10:56 PM Post #113 |
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exactly and i can personify him as human since he made man in his image (or did you forget that you yourself had already stated that factor, jason? )
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| Jack | Mar 25 2010, 11:16 PM Post #114 |
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*sigh* You're making the exactly wrong assumption. No, you CAN'T make God in your image. You're arguing from the specific to the general - that's a logical fallacy. ---------------------------- Yes, I know what you said. You said you can personify Him - that is essentially saying that God is like us. Thank you for stating it so clearly and strongly, because I can now refute it clearly and strongly. God made us in His image. That means that WE were made like HIM - except we are fallen and corrupted. Therefore, using us as an image of God will always result in a failed analogy. ---------------------------- Besides, who's to say what God's idea of justice is? Stephen Kershnar argues that God's idea of justice is like ours, but that's just anthropomorphizing God again. All we know is that God promised that those who did not take his free gift of salvation - it's FREE! - will go to Hell, and when the day of judgment comes, to the lake of fire. And God doesn't lie. Edited by Jack, Mar 25 2010, 11:24 PM.
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| Snofox Kari | Mar 26 2010, 12:54 AM Post #115 |
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and was Jesus not man/God?
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| Jack | Mar 26 2010, 01:05 AM Post #116 |
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Yes, He was. 100% man, 100% God - the Bible says as much. The perfect paradox, as it were. And before you keep on, please remember that He was God become man, not the other way around. So you can't anthropomorphize Him. Edited by Jack, Mar 26 2010, 01:09 AM.
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| Elystriana | Apr 5 2010, 03:13 PM Post #117 |
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I'd agree with Jason, though since I kinda missed Kari's argument I can't exactly disagree with her. |
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| Me | Apr 5 2010, 03:53 PM Post #118 |
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And Jason's head grew 4 sizes that day... XD Kidding. |
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| Jack | Apr 5 2010, 03:54 PM Post #119 |
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Five sizes, dearie. Get it right.
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| Me | Apr 5 2010, 04:02 PM Post #120 |
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Not possible. |
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Seriously, tho' - they're not, so you can't equate them in those terms. Interpretation changes the basic meaning; wording changes how the base meaning is presented. May seem like a small difference, but it's quite literally a matter of life and death.
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