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Topic Started: Aug 26 2010, 07:52 PM (708 Views)
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Besides, not all kept animals qualify as pets; a horse kept for riding isn't a pet, a dog kept for hunting isn't a pet.
I'm afraid I do have to differ with you on that. Ever read Where The Red Fern Grows? There can be extreme attachment and affection between an animal and their master. I'd even go so far as to say that you can have a better "pet" relationship with an animal you work with moreso than with one that just waits at home for you.
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So, rather than what I'd call pets, you intend to make men work animals?
There is quite a different between something that works for you and something that exists to work for you. Men work for their wives and family already (mostly - feminists make that iffy); I'm just making it so they get chosen.
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as architect of the future it's more important what you intend to do than under what name.
I intend to get the threatening (male) population out of the way and make the female population love me and at the same time keep them occupied while I get everything into place.
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Sep 9 2010, 07:51 AM
I wasn't suggesting having them all neutered, but surely you'll admit some, many even, should not be allowed to reproduce and foul the genepool any further.
And they'd tend to be better behaved without surges of testosterone.
This is one of the more rational uses of this whole project I've heard yet. ^__^
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Sep 10 2010, 12:36 AM
I'm afraid I do have to differ with you on that.
So, what, you'd call every domesticated animal a pet? Or every domesticated animal that is cared for? I can't agree with that.

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Ever read Where The Red Fern Grows?
Can't say that I have.

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There can be extreme attachment and affection between an animal and their master. I'd even go so far as to say that you can have a better "pet" relationship with an animal you work with moreso than with one that just waits at home for you.
I'd agree with most of that except with calling it a "pet" relationship. If you work together, then it's more like a partner, rather than a pet; and the animal deserves more respect than be called such, in my opinion.
I suppose I'm going beyond the dictionary definition here, but to me general uselessness is pretty inherent to pet-ness. I wouldn't call seeing eye dogs pets, or police dogs -- or any other animal, however much loved, that actually pulls its weight. They fulfill a much more respectable role.

And that's also what I meant when I said that perhaps in the future robots will keep us around as pets. Because we would simply be obsolete, fulfilling no useful purpose other than being kept around for company and amusement. We'd be fully dependent on them, and they would not depend on us for anything.
Which is the case for fish, hamsters, almost all dogs and cats, and other pets; but not for seeing eye dogs, police dogs and other "partner"-animals.

So, yeah, when you said, hey why wait till robots take over the world, we can just turn all the men into pets, I had expected you meant to make us obsolete in that same way, rather than just institute a matriarchy.
Frankly, I had expected higher levels of misandry. :lol:
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well the whole "pets are like family" issue woiuld come in here :/ i actually think most people care more for pets than they do their fellow man...heck we even have animal rights activists

here are some deffinitions of a pet:

1. An animal kept for amusement or companionship.
2. An object of the affections.
3. A person especially loved or indulged; a favorite

seems like they all work out for our purposes

(by the way, making Fido doing tricks isn't all so different from Shamoo performing at sea world...which is the pet and which is working? They both get pampered the same way and they both need to work for treats...it seems you have a specific idea as to what a pet is, i'd like to hear it if you don't mind...might bring us to your page so we can understand your views)
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....I think I've completely lost this conversation. Perhpas I should stop trying to make sense of it... :unsure:
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So, what, you'd call every domesticated animal a pet? Or every domesticated animal that is cared for? I can't agree with that.
Nah, I call every animal with which you have a mutual affection and friendship a pet - whether it works or not is, in my eyes trivial, unless you got specifically to work.
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And that's also what I meant when I said that perhaps in the future robots will keep us around as pets. Because we would simply be obsolete, fulfilling no useful purpose other than being kept around for company and amusement.
Huh, okay. That makes sense. I don't keep obsolete things about, though.
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So, yeah, when you said, hey why wait till robots take over the world, we can just turn all the men into pets, I had expected you meant to make us obsolete in that same way,
Well, the money I'd get would not make you obsolete even if you were to simply be pets.
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rather than just institute a matriarchy.
Frankly, I had expected higher levels of misandry. :lol:
I'm not a feminist. I don't hate men any more than I do women. (which, granted, isn't saying much, but still, it's equal hatin'.) :P
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Hmm, well, I wasn't necessarily expecting you to be more misandristic than misogynistic. But this did seem a specific measure aimed at men; so I felt I could be a bit more specific than misanthropic, and how often does one get to use that word anyway?
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You know, that encapsulates a point right there. The number of people familiar with the term "misogyny" as compared to "misandry" Hmm.

Misandrist. Huh. I'm trying to decide how to feel about having a convenient label for one of my opinions
Granted that in my case it isn't an absolute, but still. Part of me irrationally wants to be insulted for being "labeled" when the only one yet to approach applying the label to me is MYSELF. ... But what of ... 看不起自己? I can't easily find a term for it.

Interesting
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the matrix comes to mind now for some reason ^o)
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I'm an equal opportunity hater. It's one of my only good qualities. XD

Aimed at men as an indirect aim at women. You guys get stupid(er) when there's wimminz involved. :P They need to come over to my side first.
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