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Jan 18 2008, 04:54 PM
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I wish that we could have a reaction of loss from Noah but the show has really distanced themselves from their relationship so I'm not expecting much and will be pleasantly surprised if we get something.
I too think that Holden's arrest will have more of an affect on him b/c of Luke and b/c he's living in the house now.
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Jan 18 2008, 04:58 PM
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I don't expect a huge reaction. I mean, Dusty interacted with Noah a few times following Luke's accident, but they haven't exactly been best buds since. I think he'll feel bad that the guy is dead, but I'm not expecting a tearful breakdown. To be honest, I would expect Holden's arrest to affect him more.
No, I'm not expecting that either and you're right, he should be more upset that it's Holden in trouble. But just a little acknowledgment that Dusty has been kind to him (and didn't expect sex in return) would be nice.
It was actually Dusty who kept Noah from running and leaving Oakdale when the hotel gave Noah the box of his dad's things - so I hope Noah will at least acknowledge that Dusty had a lot to do with the life Noah now has.
You know, that is a very good point. I never thought of that. Who knows what would've happened to poor Noah if he had of left Oakdale? And Luke will probably still be sitting in that chair feeling sorry for himself.
Ok, don't throw anything at me but if Noah had of left, I do think Luke would have gotten depressed but I think Jade or Lucinda would have got him out of that chair.
Luke is a survivor he would have made it through with or without Noah IMO!
I know the show went for the "power of Love" thing. LOL!
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Jan 18 2008, 05:01 PM
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I don't expect a huge reaction. I mean, Dusty interacted with Noah a few times following Luke's accident, but they haven't exactly been best buds since. I think he'll feel bad that the guy is dead, but I'm not expecting a tearful breakdown. To be honest, I would expect Holden's arrest to affect him more.
No, I'm not expecting that either and you're right, he should be more upset that it's Holden in trouble. But just a little acknowledgment that Dusty has been kind to him (and didn't expect sex in return) would be nice.
It was actually Dusty who kept Noah from running and leaving Oakdale when the hotel gave Noah the box of his dad's things - so I hope Noah will at least acknowledge that Dusty had a lot to do with the life Noah now has.
You know, that is a very good point. I never thought of that. Who knows what would've happened to poor Noah if he had of left Oakdale? And Luke will probably still be sitting in that chair feeling sorry for himself.
Ok, don't throw anything at me but if Noah had of left, I do think Luke would have gotten depressed but I think Jade or Lucinda would have got him out of that chair. Luke is a survivor he would have made it through with or without Noah IMO! I know the show went for the "power of Love" thing. LOL!
Yeah, but @ least we didn't have to hear him continually whining about it, which is probably what he would've done if someone else had tried to help him. Noah was able to snap him out of it!
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Jan 18 2008, 05:08 PM
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I hated all of Luke's whining so that's a plus. I just think Noah gets too much credit for standing by his boyfriend. Noah might have pushed but it was Luke that did the hard part. HE was paralyzed. HE had to learn to walk again. etc.
I remember when I was younger some comedian said something about people getting praised for things that they are supposed to do. Yeah, I know the boys weren't married. Noah was helpful. He did push Luke when his parents couldn't get through but..
I mean it's your boyfriend and you love him, so you are supposed to stick with it. I dunno. I just didn't really see this huge sacrifice. Noah actually gained a family in the process.
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Jan 18 2008, 05:12 PM
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I hated all of Luke's whining so that's a plus. I just think Noah gets too much credit for standing by his boyfriend. Noah might have pushed but it was Luke that did the hard part. HE was paralyzed. HE had to learn to walk again. etc.
I remember when I was younger some comedian said something about people getting praised for things that they are supposed to do. Yeah, I know the boys weren't married. Noah was helpful. He did push Luke when his parents couldn't get through but..
I mean it's your boyfriend and you love him, so you are supposed to stick with it. I dunno. I just didn't really see this huge sacrifice. Noah actually gained a family in the process.
As hard as Luke was pushing him away and as big of an ass as he was being, I think Noah standing by him deserves a big pat on the back (plus the fact that he didn't smack him when he whined...which is what I would've done).
Having cared for someone who isn't mobile, I know the job is super hard and it's thankless. People just assume that b/c you're related (or together or whatever), that it's your job to take care of them and that's it. I know I always appreciated when someone said "hey, you're doing a great job...thanks."
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Jan 18 2008, 05:22 PM
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I hated all of Luke's whining so that's a plus. I just think Noah gets too much credit for standing by his boyfriend. Noah might have pushed but it was Luke that did the hard part. HE was paralyzed. HE had to learn to walk again. etc.
I remember when I was younger some comedian said something about people getting praised for things that they are supposed to do. Yeah, I know the boys weren't married. Noah was helpful. He did push Luke when his parents couldn't get through but..
I mean it's your boyfriend and you love him, so you are supposed to stick with it. I dunno. I just didn't really see this huge sacrifice. Noah actually gained a family in the process.
As hard as Luke was pushing him away and as big of an ass as he was being, I think Noah standing by him deserves a big pat on the back (plus the fact that he didn't smack him when he whined...which is what I would've done). Having cared for someone who isn't mobile, I know the job is super hard and it's thankless. People just assume that b/c you're related (or together or whatever), that it's your job to take care of them and that's it. I know I always appreciated when someone said "hey, you're doing a great job...thanks."
My husband's step mom lost both of her legs. She does have Prosthetic legs. but when I go places with her I bring her Wheel chair and I wheel her around. I don't look at it as a job or anything. I LOVE her and it's not a big deal at all. She calls me on tough days. And when we go swimming I put her covers over her legs so she can swim. Because she can't get them wet, especially her C-leg.
So I know a lot about this myself and I for one think the person that is in the wheel chair has ALL the hard work.
Just my take.
eta- also when she pushes me away or is bitchy, I look at it like so what. And I would never think of slapping her.
Luke was emotionally and physically traumatized he's allowed to bitch as far as I'm concerned.
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Jan 18 2008, 05:28 PM
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I hated all of Luke's whining so that's a plus. I just think Noah gets too much credit for standing by his boyfriend. Noah might have pushed but it was Luke that did the hard part. HE was paralyzed. HE had to learn to walk again. etc.
I remember when I was younger some comedian said something about people getting praised for things that they are supposed to do. Yeah, I know the boys weren't married. Noah was helpful. He did push Luke when his parents couldn't get through but..
I mean it's your boyfriend and you love him, so you are supposed to stick with it. I dunno. I just didn't really see this huge sacrifice. Noah actually gained a family in the process.
As hard as Luke was pushing him away and as big of an ass as he was being, I think Noah standing by him deserves a big pat on the back (plus the fact that he didn't smack him when he whined...which is what I would've done). Having cared for someone who isn't mobile, I know the job is super hard and it's thankless. People just assume that b/c you're related (or together or whatever), that it's your job to take care of them and that's it. I know I always appreciated when someone said "hey, you're doing a great job...thanks."
My husband's step mom lost both of her legs. She does have Prosthetic legs. but when I go places with her I bring her Wheel chair and I wheel her around. I don't look at it as a job or anything. I LOVE her and it's not a big deal at all. She calls me on tough days. And when we go swimming I put her covers over her legs so she can swim. Because she can't get them wet, especially her C-leg. So I know a lot about this myself and I for one think the person that is in the wheel chair has ALL the hard work. Just my take. eta- also when she pushes me away or is bitchy, I look at it like so what. And I would never think of slapping her. Luke was emotionally and physically traumatized he's allowed to bitch as far as I'm concerned.
Uh...the smacking part was a joke.
My take is that being in a wheelchair or being bed bound or whatever doesn't give anyone the right to treat someone else like shit, especially when they're helping you out and asking for nothing in return. It's one thing to have some bitchy days but it's another to consistently be rude and obnoxious.
I loved who I was taking care of but I didn't fool myself into believing that everything I was doing wasn't a job. It was. I suppose I could've put them in a nursing home but I took care of them out of love. But make no mistake...it was a job.
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Jan 18 2008, 05:39 PM
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I hated all of Luke's whining so that's a plus. I just think Noah gets too much credit for standing by his boyfriend. Noah might have pushed but it was Luke that did the hard part. HE was paralyzed. HE had to learn to walk again. etc.
I remember when I was younger some comedian said something about people getting praised for things that they are supposed to do. Yeah, I know the boys weren't married. Noah was helpful. He did push Luke when his parents couldn't get through but..
I mean it's your boyfriend and you love him, so you are supposed to stick with it. I dunno. I just didn't really see this huge sacrifice. Noah actually gained a family in the process.
As hard as Luke was pushing him away and as big of an ass as he was being, I think Noah standing by him deserves a big pat on the back (plus the fact that he didn't smack him when he whined...which is what I would've done). Having cared for someone who isn't mobile, I know the job is super hard and it's thankless. People just assume that b/c you're related (or together or whatever), that it's your job to take care of them and that's it. I know I always appreciated when someone said "hey, you're doing a great job...thanks."
My husband's step mom lost both of her legs. She does have Prosthetic legs. but when I go places with her I bring her Wheel chair and I wheel her around. I don't look at it as a job or anything. I LOVE her and it's not a big deal at all. She calls me on tough days. And when we go swimming I put her covers over her legs so she can swim. Because she can't get them wet, especially her C-leg. So I know a lot about this myself and I for one think the person that is in the wheel chair has ALL the hard work. Just my take. eta- also when she pushes me away or is bitchy, I look at it like so what. And I would never think of slapping her. Luke was emotionally and physically traumatized he's allowed to bitch as far as I'm concerned.
Uh...the smacking part was a joke. My take is that being in a wheelchair or being bed bound or whatever doesn't give anyone the right to treat someone else like shit, especially when they're helping you out and asking for nothing in return. It's one thing to have some bitchy days but it's another to consistently be rude and obnoxious. I loved who I was taking care of but I didn't fool myself into believing that everything I was doing wasn't a job. It was. I suppose I could've put them in a nursing home but I took care of them out of love. But make no mistake...it was a job.
Rach,I can see your point. But Noah wasn't living with Luke taking care of him 24/7. He was being a supporting boyfriend. And While that's nice and all. I just don't see any kind of sacrifice.
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Jan 19 2008, 12:58 AM
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My take is that being in a wheelchair or being bed bound or whatever doesn't give anyone the right to treat someone else like shit, especially when they're helping you out and asking for nothing in return. It's one thing to have some bitchy days but it's another to consistently be rude and obnoxious.
What you're saying is true, but are you just making a general point or are you applying that to Luke? I know he was kind of bitchy a couple times, but I think you're overstating how badly he treated Noah if that's what you mean.
Actually, I tend to think Luke isn't nearly as bad in general as people make him out to be. I hear him called bitchy, whiny, controlling, bratty, and all sorts of other things, and I really don't see it, usually. I think he can behave in a bratty manner, and all those other things as well, but I wouldn't use them to actually describe his personality.
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Actually, I tend to think Luke isn't nearly as bad in general as people make him out to be. I hear him called bitchy, whiny, controlling, bratty, and all sorts of other things, and I really don't see it, usually. I think he can behave in a bratty manner, and all those other things as well, but I wouldn't use them to actually describe his personality.
I was wondering about those criticisms, too. That's a mystery to me. Perhaps by saying that, it will make Noah's 'sacrifice' more meaningful! I don't know.
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Jan 19 2008, 01:35 AM
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Actually, I tend to think Luke isn't nearly as bad in general as people make him out to be. I hear him called bitchy, whiny, controlling, bratty, and all sorts of other things, and I really don't see it, usually. I think he can behave in a bratty manner, and all those other things as well, but I wouldn't use them to actually describe his personality.
I was wondering about those criticisms, too. That's a mystery to me. Perhaps by saying that, it will make Noah's 'sacrifice' more meaningful! I don't know.
I'm not sure. I know that Noah can act like a jerk sometimes ("Go to hell!"). But however I feel about Noah, I would never say that he is "a jerk," just like I would never say that Luke is "a brat" or "treats people like shit."
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Jan 19 2008, 10:54 PM
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I think a lot of ppl view Luke through rose colored glasses so I'm not surprised that ppl don't see him as being manipulative and controlling and pushy.
It also amazes me how everyone talks about what Luke went through and everything that happened to him. What about what happened to Noah?
With all that Noah was going through (his dad setting Dusty up, his dad killing his mother, his dad trying to kill Luke 2-3 times, his dad going to prison), his ability to help Luke when his own life (including the only parent he's ever known) had literally unraveled at the seams makes him quite extraordinary in my book. There aren't a whole lot of ppl in real-life who would be able to deal with that kind of emotional turmoil and that kind of major life change and help someone with as much selflessness as he did.
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I think a lot of ppl view Luke through rose colored glasses so I'm not surprised that ppl don't see him as being manipulative and controlling and pushy.
It also amazes me how everyone talks about what Luke went through and everything that happened to him. What about what happened to Noah?
With all that Noah was going through (his dad setting Dusty up, his dad killing his mother, his dad trying to kill Luke 2-3 times, his dad going to prison), his ability to help Luke when his own life (including the only parent he's ever known) had literally unraveled at the seams makes him quite extraordinary in my book. There aren't a whole lot of ppl in real-life who would be able to deal with that kind of emotional turmoil and that kind of major life change and help someone with as much selflessness as he did.
I think that's unfair to say that people look at Luke through rose-colored glasses because they view him differently than you. I sure don't. I said I didn't like how Luke treated Lily when he saw her with Dusty. I felt it was none of his business and he was disrespectful.
Noah has been through a lot but he has done his fair share of being jerk but all I hear is look at what Noah has went through. You give Noah a lot of credit because of what his father did. Noah has messed up plenty.
Luke has been pushy at times but he admits it and apologizes for it. He even did on Friday's eppy. He talked about being a jerk to his mother.
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I think a lot of ppl view Luke through rose colored glasses so I'm not surprised that ppl don't see him as being manipulative and controlling and pushy.
It also amazes me how everyone talks about what Luke went through and everything that happened to him. What about what happened to Noah?
With all that Noah was going through (his dad setting Dusty up, his dad killing his mother, his dad trying to kill Luke 2-3 times, his dad going to prison), his ability to help Luke when his own life (including the only parent he's ever known) had literally unraveled at the seams makes him quite extraordinary in my book. There aren't a whole lot of ppl in real-life who would be able to deal with that kind of emotional turmoil and that kind of major life change and help someone with as much selflessness as he did.
I think that's unfair to say that people look at Luke through rose-colored glasses because they view him differently than you. I sure don't. I said I didn't like how Luke treated Lily when he saw her with Dusty. I felt it was none of his business and he was disrespectful. Noah has been through a lot but he has done his fair share of being jerk but all I hear is look at what Noah has went through. You give Noah a lot of credit because of what his father did. Noah has messed up plenty. Luke has been pushy at times but he admits it and apologizes for it. He even did on Friday's eppy. He talked about being a jerk to his mother.
Rose colored glasses means you look @ someone or something with optimism...it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad.
I think for the amount of life changes that Noah has experienced (in the short time he's experienced it), he's done surprisingly well and stayed attentive to someone who required a lot of patience and care. I certainly give him the credit that he's due.
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I think a lot of ppl view Luke through rose colored glasses so I'm not surprised that ppl don't see him as being manipulative and controlling and pushy.
It also amazes me how everyone talks about what Luke went through and everything that happened to him. What about what happened to Noah?
With all that Noah was going through (his dad setting Dusty up, his dad killing his mother, his dad trying to kill Luke 2-3 times, his dad going to prison), his ability to help Luke when his own life (including the only parent he's ever known) had literally unraveled at the seams makes him quite extraordinary in my book. There aren't a whole lot of ppl in real-life who would be able to deal with that kind of emotional turmoil and that kind of major life change and help someone with as much selflessness as he did.
I think that's unfair to say that people look at Luke through rose-colored glasses because they view him differently than you. I sure don't. I said I didn't like how Luke treated Lily when he saw her with Dusty. I felt it was none of his business and he was disrespectful. Noah has been through a lot but he has done his fair share of being jerk but all I hear is look at what Noah has went through. You give Noah a lot of credit because of what his father did. Noah has messed up plenty. Luke has been pushy at times but he admits it and apologizes for it. He even did on Friday's eppy. He talked about being a jerk to his mother.
Rose colored glasses means you look @ someone or something with optimism...it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. I think for the amount of life changes that Noah has experienced (in the short time he's experienced it), he's done surprisingly well and stayed attentive to someone who required a lot of patience and care. I certainly give him the credit that he's due.
But what about Luke? Luke has given Noah a lot as well. You make it seem like Noah has given so much and all Luke has done is take...Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are saying.
i don't think anyone is saying Luke can't be bitchy, bossy any other kind of adjectives people like to use. but those adjectives apply to Noah as well. He's done his fair share at making Luke feel like shit too that's all I'm saying. But you don't described Noah as a liar, you describe him as being this poor little victim. Yes, the boy's been through shit, who hasn't? He just gets excused for a lot of his shit because his father was so horrible.
Luke hasn't had the best life either, I think people forget that because of the Col.
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