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Noah's Reaction To Dusty's Murder?
Topic Started: Jan 18 2008, 01:34 AM (566 Views)
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bubbles
Jan 19 2008, 09:26 PM
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Jan 20 2008, 03:19 AM
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Jan 19 2008, 09:06 PM
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Jan 20 2008, 02:54 AM
I think a lot of ppl view Luke through rose colored glasses so I'm not surprised that ppl don't see him as being manipulative and controlling and pushy.

It also amazes me how everyone talks about what Luke went through and everything that happened to him.  What about what happened to Noah?

With all that Noah was going through (his dad setting Dusty up, his dad killing his mother, his dad trying to kill Luke 2-3 times, his dad going to prison), his ability to help Luke when his own life (including the only parent he's ever known) had literally unraveled at the seams makes him quite extraordinary in my book.  There aren't a whole lot of ppl in real-life who would be able to deal with that kind of emotional turmoil and that kind of major life change and help someone with as much selflessness as he did.

I think that's unfair to say that people look at Luke through rose-colored glasses because they view him differently than you. I sure don't. I said I didn't like how Luke treated Lily when he saw her with Dusty. I felt it was none of his business and he was disrespectful.

Noah has been through a lot but he has done his fair share of being jerk but all I hear is look at what Noah has went through. You give Noah a lot of credit because of what his father did. Noah has messed up plenty.

Luke has been pushy at times but he admits it and apologizes for it. He even did on Friday's eppy. He talked about being a jerk to his mother.

Rose colored glasses means you look @ someone or something with optimism...it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad.

I think for the amount of life changes that Noah has experienced (in the short time he's experienced it), he's done surprisingly well and stayed attentive to someone who required a lot of patience and care. I certainly give him the credit that he's due.

But what about Luke? Luke has given Noah a lot as well. You make it seem like Noah has given so much and all Luke has done is take...Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are saying.

i don't think anyone is saying Luke can't be bitchy, bossy any other kind of adjectives people like to use. but those adjectives apply to Noah as well. He's done his fair share at making Luke feel like shit too that's all I'm saying. But you don't described Noah as a liar, you describe him as being this poor little victim. Yes, the boy's been through shit, who hasn't? He just gets excused for a lot of his shit because his father was so horrible.

Luke hasn't had the best life either, I think people forget that because of the Col.

I think you are misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that Luke hasn't given anything to Noah; on the contrary.

Luke has had a hard life, no doubt. But his parents aren't abusers. You can't compare the situations that Luke has gone through (some of his own making) to being abused by a parent. You just can't.

And let me make it very clear; I don't view Noah as a victim at all. He's a survivor, big difference. He's lied, he's manipulated, he's hurt people...it's what he knows. When that's what you're taught, that's what you do. When being yourself is not okay, you become someone else. It doesn't get him off the hook for anything. Every choice in life has consequences and the same holds true for this character. But his childhood and his father (who is an abuser) explains a lot about how he acts and feels and thinks.
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Luke's father Damian *has* emotionally abused him and Luke has been kidnapped. So yeah, Luke does have a parent that has abused him.

I can compare Luke's situation because he might be just as scarred as Noah. People respond to things differently. Just because Lily/Holden didn't directly abuse Luke , Luke still had feelings of abandonment. His parents always fighting and divorcing is a form of abuse to me. It's scars children.

My point is, it's hard to say Noah has had it rougher than Luke. Because it depends on how it affected them.
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Jan 19 2008, 09:51 PM
Luke's father Damian *has* emotionally abused him and Luke has been kidnapped. So yeah, Luke does have a parent that has abused him.

I can compare Luke's situation because he might be just as scarred as Noah. People respond to things differently. Just because Lily/Holden didn't directly abuse Luke , Luke still had feelings of abandonment. His parents always fighting and divorcing is a form of abuse to me. It's scars children.

My point is, it's hard to say Noah has had it rougher than Luke. Because it depends on how it affected them.

I'm not saying that Noah had it rougher...I'm saying it was different.

You and I view the Damien situation a bit differently too.
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Jan 19 2008, 10:51 PM
Luke's father Damian *has* emotionally abused him and Luke has been kidnapped. So yeah, Luke does have a parent that has abused him.

I can compare Luke's situation because he might be just as scarred as Noah. People respond to things differently. Just because Lily/Holden didn't directly abuse Luke , Luke still had feelings of abandonment. His parents always fighting and divorcing is a form of abuse to me. It's scars children.

My point is, it's hard to say Noah has had it rougher than Luke. Because it depends on how it affected them.

I always thought Noah was worse for wear than Luke, because even though Damian did abuse Luke, he still had the benefit of Holden and Lily to give him a comparison of what's right, to weigh against the wrongs Damian did, and see for himself that Damian didn't have his best interests at heart. But Winston's wrongs were literally all Noah ever knew, and he had nothing else to compare them to until Luke and his family came along.


I guess what I'm trying to say is, maybe it's hard to know "wrong" is wrong unless you've ever seen "right" to compare it to. But that's just me.
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bubbles
Jan 20 2008, 11:51 AM
Luke's father Damian *has* emotionally abused him and Luke has been kidnapped. So yeah, Luke does have a parent that has abused him.

I can compare Luke's situation because he might be just as scarred as Noah. People respond to things differently. Just because Lily/Holden didn't directly abuse Luke , Luke still had feelings of abandonment. His parents always fighting and divorcing is a form of abuse to me. It's scars children.

My point is, it's hard to say Noah has had it rougher than Luke. Because it depends on how it affected them.

JMO, people tend to magnify Noah's past to justify for his actions. As for Luke, he has already overcome his past , now he's an assured out gay and has a loving family, that's why he doesn't need the sympathy that Noah needs. I don't agree with this, but that's the way I see it.
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Jan 19 2008, 09:57 PM
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Jan 19 2008, 10:51 PM
Luke's father Damian *has* emotionally abused him and Luke has been kidnapped. So yeah, Luke does have a parent that has abused him.

I can compare Luke's situation because he might be just as scarred as Noah.  People respond to things differently. Just because Lily/Holden didn't directly abuse Luke , Luke still had feelings of abandonment. His parents always fighting and divorcing is a form of abuse to me. It's scars children.

My point is, it's hard to say Noah has had it rougher than Luke. Because it depends on how it affected them.

I always thought Noah was worse for wear than Luke, because even though Damian did abuse Luke, he still had the benefit of Holden and Lily to give him a comparison of what's right, to weigh against the wrongs Damian did, and see for himself that Damian didn't have his best interests at heart. But Winston's wrongs were literally all Noah ever knew, and he had nothing else to compare them to until Luke and his family came along.


I guess what I'm trying to say is, maybe it's hard to know "wrong" is wrong unless you've ever seen "right" to compare it to. But that's just me.

Not only that but Noah has never even known who *he* is to begin with!

You get a pretty good idea that even though Luke has struggled like every teenager to figure things out, he has a good sense of who he is and he's kind of always had that.

Noah, on the other hand, has cloaked himself in someone else's skin his whole life. So not only does he have to shed that layer, he's got to try and figure out who the hell he is, what he stands for, and why.

BTW...I forgot what I was originally talking about and why I'm arguing this so much. :D
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Jan 19 2008, 11:02 PM
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Jan 19 2008, 09:57 PM
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Jan 19 2008, 10:51 PM
Luke's father Damian *has* emotionally abused him and Luke has been kidnapped. So yeah, Luke does have a parent that has abused him.

I can compare Luke's situation because he might be just as scarred as Noah.  People respond to things differently. Just because Lily/Holden didn't directly abuse Luke , Luke still had feelings of abandonment. His parents always fighting and divorcing is a form of abuse to me. It's scars children.

My point is, it's hard to say Noah has had it rougher than Luke. Because it depends on how it affected them.

I always thought Noah was worse for wear than Luke, because even though Damian did abuse Luke, he still had the benefit of Holden and Lily to give him a comparison of what's right, to weigh against the wrongs Damian did, and see for himself that Damian didn't have his best interests at heart. But Winston's wrongs were literally all Noah ever knew, and he had nothing else to compare them to until Luke and his family came along.


I guess what I'm trying to say is, maybe it's hard to know "wrong" is wrong unless you've ever seen "right" to compare it to. But that's just me.

Not only that but Noah has never even known who *he* is to begin with!

You get a pretty good idea that even though Luke has struggled like every teenager to figure things out, he has a good sense of who he is and he's kind of always had that.

Noah, on the other hand, has cloaked himself in someone else's skin his whole life. So not only does he have to shed that layer, he's got to try and figure out who the hell he is, what he stands for, and why.

BTW...I forgot what I was originally talking about and why I'm arguing this so much. :D

I know what you mean, Word Up was a lot easier. :-)
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aww Poor Noah....NOT!! :P :devil:
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Jan 19 2008, 10:12 PM
aww Poor Noah....NOT!! :P :devil:

You better shut up biznitch!! :kill: :P

YOU CAN'T TALK BAD ABOUT JAKE AND/OR NOAH!!!! And...oh yeah???

I hate Kevin!! :angry: :P
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I'll just be keeping quiet now because I know what's good for me. :-)
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Jan 20 2008, 04:14 AM
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Jan 19 2008, 10:12 PM
aww Poor Noah....NOT!! :P  :devil:

You better shut up biznitch!! :kill: :P

YOU CAN'T TALK BAD ABOUT JAKE AND/OR NOAH!!!! And...oh yeah???

I hate Kevin!! :angry: :P

hahahaha!

Oh you hate Kevin huh? them fightin' words :fire:


LT- don't keep your mouth shut. My poor noah was aimed at you too hahaha!
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aww Poor Noah....NOT!! :P  :devil:

You better shut up biznitch!! :kill: :P

YOU CAN'T TALK BAD ABOUT JAKE AND/OR NOAH!!!! And...oh yeah???

I hate Kevin!! :angry: :P

hahahaha!

Oh you hate Kevin huh? them fightin' words :fire:


LT- don't keep your mouth shut. My poor noah was aimed at you too hahaha!

YEAH!!! I hate Kevin!!

Actually, I just don't like him cause I didn't think the actor was hot. Does that count??? :lol: :D :P
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Ok, on a serious note. Why is everyone assuming Winston was always abusive to Noah? I think Winston was strict and he had rules. i mean let's take out the psychotic parts. But my father is strict. I've only seen my father cry once. He doesn't think men should cry. I haven't seen my husband cry a lot either. So besides Winston telling Noah not to cry at 2 and be a man. What do we know what he did to Noah as a child?

Sure Winston had a hard time accepting Noah for who he is but so did Lily. Holden did too. He was glad that Luke was with Jade. So much that he was bending over backwards to keep Jade at the house. So he pushed Luke towards his *beard* too.

I just don't see this abuse that everyone sees. Noah said Christmas with his father was orderly. that's not abusive to me.
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Perhaps I have missed something since I can only watch the soap on YT. Can someone explain what kind of abuse Noah had received from his 'parents'?
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Jan 19 2008, 10:29 PM
Ok, on a serious note. Why is everyone assuming Winston was always abusive to Noah? I think Winston was strict and he had rules. i mean let's take out the psychotic parts. But my father is strict. I've only seen my father cry once. He doesn't think men should cry. I haven't seen my husband cry a lot either. So besides Winston telling Noah not to cry at 2 and be a man. What do we know what he did to Noah as a child?

Sure Winston had a hard time accepting Noah for who he is but so did Lily. Holden did too. He would glad that Luke was with Jade. So much that he was bending over backwards to keep Jade at the house.

You just said it right there "let's take out the psychotic part." That kind of violence doesn't just "pop up." Not to mention how unbelievably afraid of his father Noah is. He's dropped multiple hints throughout his time in Oakdale about how his father has treated him.

I think one of his most telling moments was actually with Maddie when they were in the hotel room, drying off. He told her about applying to Northwestern and how excited he was about being accepted and finally being out on his own, doing his own thing but "just when I thought I had escaped, he sets another trap for me." That doesn't sound like a dad who's just strict.
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