Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Showing Emotions Or Not
Topic Started: Jan 30 2008, 03:10 PM (477 Views)
CodeNuke
Member Avatar
Luke/Noah stalker
Violette
Jan 31 2008, 06:04 PM
Rachel, I can totally see your point and where you're coming from. But try to understand that for bubbles and I, who are Luke fans and have been for a long time, it's become kind of a touchy issue. When Noah came along, and got all this publicity and the couple became so popular, it was almost as though Luke and Noah became a package deal. We feel as though it's difficult to be a fan of Luke or Van without being forced to acknowledge the greatness of Noah and Jake, even if we don't see it. I might be a bigger fan of Kevin than Noah, but God forbid I express that anywhere. Or I might think that Luke and Noah don't make a good couple, or that Noah is a badly conceived character, or that I just don't care about him at all, and people jump all over me for not being supportive, which is a huge part of why we formed this board.

And I have no problem with you or anyone else defending Jake or Noah. I just said something because you seemed to be the opposite of me--a Noah/Jake fan and not a Luke/Van fan--from the posts of yours that I see.

i like Van he great actor. I like Luke because he is of a core family so he is flushed out. i like Karl g because he a good actor and he was playing a bad boy. Kevin is a bad boy and i like bad boys.

Now I like Jake because he a good actor, he as grown in each ep. when he played in the christmas ep and 1/8 thouse were grea to me. but the one that got me to the arm candy is New Years Eve ep, it just seem like he just standing there.

i do belive that it the wirter failt for not fleshing out Noah after they destoryed him. to me it seemed that Noah was a throw away charctor to them.. i know CG didn't want that.. but that's the way i see it.
Posted Image
Luke & Noah Fan thread
Jake Silbermann/ Noah Fans - aka Jake party thread for ATWT main board.
Van Hansis/Luke Fan thread
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LoTr1985
Member Avatar

bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 06:02 PM
LoTr1985
Jan 31 2008, 11:46 PM
bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 05:31 PM
LoTr1985
Jan 31 2008, 11:27 PM
bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 05:17 PM
Violette does have a point. You do tend to criticize Van/Luke a lot. Which is fine , you know I don't give a shit. But you do.

I'm not a OMG Van is the greatest ever so I really don't care but I have noticed. Just like everyone notices I'm more critical of Noah/Jake.

It might seem that way here b/c I defend Jake a lot.

We seem to get into more discussions about them as actors and/or their characters rather than s/l, which is where I'd talk more about that.

I've talked way more about the s/l on the CBS boards than anywhere.

Why do you defend Jake so much though? I don't feel the need to defend Van or any other actor. I really don't care. Van can be over the top. Van isn't cute all the time. Who cares.

I just don't understand why people feel they have to defend an actor so much.

Oh yes you do!

You do defend Van ("he's a better actor" for one) as well as the character and how much more you like him versus Noah. Roger what's his name for instance...I've seen you defend him and I've seen you post that you like him, for whatever reason. Same with Kevin and whoever played him.

And it's really not about defending Jake so much as saying that it'd be nice for him to have the opportunity to grow as an actor and get a s/l independent from Luke/Van.

And when others are posting that they don't "see the point" for Jake/Noah to have interactions with anyone else and that it's "okay" for him to be nothing more than Luke's boyfriend, if I disagree I take the opposite stance and say "yes, I see the point."

You do the same thing.

Some good points my friend. :song: See i can concede sometimes.

You were probably just getting ready to go eat dinner or something! :cool:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LoTr1985
Member Avatar

Violette
Jan 31 2008, 06:04 PM
Rachel, I can totally see your point and where you're coming from. But try to understand that for bubbles and I, who are Luke fans and have been for a long time, it's become kind of a touchy issue. When Noah came along, and got all this publicity and the couple became so popular, it was almost as though Luke and Noah became a package deal. We feel as though it's difficult to be a fan of Luke or Van without being forced to acknowledge the greatness of Noah and Jake, even if we don't see it. I might be a bigger fan of Kevin than Noah, but God forbid I express that anywhere. Or I might think that Luke and Noah don't make a good couple, or that Noah is a badly conceived character, or that I just don't care about him at all, and people jump all over me for not being supportive, which is a huge part of why we formed this board.

And I have no problem with you or anyone else defending Jake or Noah. I just said something because you seemed to be the opposite of me--a Noah/Jake fan and not a Luke/Van fan--from the posts of yours that I see.

I think you can be both...a Noah/Luke fan and a Van/Luke fan. It's not mutually exclusive, at least not for me.

Again, I don't talk much about the s/l over here (or on vh.net) which is where you'd see my positivity about Van/Luke. Anyone who's posted on CBS would know I'm a supporter of him, both as an actor and a character.

For me, it's fine if you like Kevin better than Noah and I know bubbles does too. I don't like him for purely personal reasons and that's b/c he ain't hot to me. I think on a purely physical level, Luke *looks* better with Noah but that's just my opinion. I liked how nasty Kevin was...but I didn't really dig his character too much.

The only issue I have with this whole "I don't like Jake/Noah" thing is the reason used for not liking him...you said it yourself that it is contradictory to say "I don't like him because he's not fleshed out but I don't want him fleshed out." That, to me, doesn't make much sense. If he were fleshed out, and you still didn't like him, I'd get that. But the reasoning used above doesn't make sense to me.

I can agree that there are instances where Jake needs to step it up a notch. Even though I'm sure as an actor he might be bored (sort of like Grayson was), he should still give it the good ol' college try. It's just sticky when he does it sometimes but not others. However, I'm in the camp that believes that Jake has potential and I'd like to see it explored.

I guess the point to this ramble is that I can debate his acting and his character but you can't have a legitimate debate when the original premise is negated to begin with, i.e., "he's not fleshed out enough for me to like." If that's your reasoning, great! Let's see him fleshed out and see what he does. But it's really hard for me when you/bubbles come back 2 paragraphs later say "I don't want him fleshed out."

You just cancel yourself out.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
bubbles
Member Avatar

Rach, good points on the fleshed out issue. It is contradictory. I guess it's hard to explain because I felt he should have been fleshed out already. And it's like now if they flesh him out , why would I care? I dunno. I've had a long day and night so I know my black ass aint making any sense right now.

It's hard to write down what I'm thinking sometimes. I'm going to listen to "New Edition greatest hits" right now. :song:
Posted Image
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LoTr1985
Member Avatar

bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 10:56 PM
Rach, good points on the fleshed out issue. It is contradictory. I guess it's hard to explain because I felt he should have been fleshed out already. And it's like now if they flesh him out , why would I care? I dunno. I've had a long day and night so I know my black ass aint making any sense right now.

It's hard to write down what I'm thinking sometimes. I'm going to listen to "New Edition greatest hits" right now. :song:

I understand what you're saying...I really do.

But I think that you have to remember that JP had her favorites and never wrote to flesh Noah out to begin with. She said implicility that "the romance between them is going to be kept within the context of the Snyder family." Oh really? So, Noah's a trophy? YEP! He sure is in JP's world!

But I'm w/ others on the board that I'm actually liking the writing these days (and the ratings have been fairly consistent to suggest that ppl are continually tuning in) and it's obvious that they're going to be devoting a hell of a lot more time to them both, which is great.

So we might get a lot of questions answered: why is Luke in love w/ Noah when he knows nothing about him? what really attracts them to each other? who IS Noah and how does he fit into Luke's life?

I think regardless of who Luke is with (whether it's Noah or some other guy) you've got to actually give some kind of reason why they're together. And if one character is not fleshed out, the relationship isn't believable (or it's not as believable as it could/should be). Having a trophy is great...but that doesn't give the character of Luke or the actor Van anything to work with really. He ends up being just as uninteresting as the toy.

:cool:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
CodeNuke
Member Avatar
Luke/Noah stalker
bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 10:56 PM
Rach, good points on the fleshed out issue. It is contradictory. I guess it's hard to explain because I felt he should have been fleshed out already. And it's like now if they flesh him out , why would I care? I dunno. I've had a long day and night so I know my black ass aint making any sense right now.

It's hard to write down what I'm thinking sometimes. I'm going to listen to "New Edition greatest hits" right now. :song:

to you if the wirters didn't flush out a charctor went he or she hit is big then goes back 4 or 5 months later to do it, why do it?

hell i hate it went a wirter rewirtes a charctor's past that been like 20 yrs or so. why do that?
Posted Image
Luke & Noah Fan thread
Jake Silbermann/ Noah Fans - aka Jake party thread for ATWT main board.
Van Hansis/Luke Fan thread
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
CodeNuke
Member Avatar
Luke/Noah stalker
LoTr1985
Jan 31 2008, 11:03 PM
bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 10:56 PM
Rach, good points on the fleshed out issue. It is contradictory. I guess it's hard to explain because I felt he should have been fleshed out already. And it's like now if they flesh him out , why would I care? I dunno. I've had a long day and night so I know my black ass aint making any sense right now.

It's hard to write down what I'm thinking sometimes. I'm going to listen to "New Edition greatest hits" right now.  :song:

I understand what you're saying...I really do.

But I think that you have to remember that JP had her favorites and never wrote to flesh Noah out to begin with. She said implicility that "the romance between them is going to be kept within the context of the Snyder family." Oh really? So, Noah's a trophy? YEP! He sure is in JP's world!

But I'm w/ others on the board that I'm actually liking the writing these days (and the ratings have been fairly consistent to suggest that ppl are continually tuning in) and it's obvious that they're going to be devoting a hell of a lot more time to them both, which is great.

So we might get a lot of questions answered: why is Luke in love w/ Noah when he knows nothing about him? what really attracts them to each other? who IS Noah and how does he fit into Luke's life?

I think regardless of who Luke is with (whether it's Noah or some other guy) you've got to actually give some kind of reason why they're together. And if one character is not fleshed out, the relationship isn't believable (or it's not as believable as it could/should be). Having a trophy is great...but that doesn't give the character of Luke or the actor Van anything to work with really. He ends up being just as uninteresting as the toy.

:cool:

that good one... time to play :song:
Posted Image
Luke & Noah Fan thread
Jake Silbermann/ Noah Fans - aka Jake party thread for ATWT main board.
Van Hansis/Luke Fan thread
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
bubbles
Member Avatar

LoTr1985
Feb 1 2008, 05:03 AM
bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 10:56 PM
Rach, good points on the fleshed out issue. It is contradictory. I guess it's hard to explain because I felt he should have been fleshed out already. And it's like now if they flesh him out , why would I care? I dunno. I've had a long day and night so I know my black ass aint making any sense right now.

It's hard to write down what I'm thinking sometimes. I'm going to listen to "New Edition greatest hits" right now.  :song:

I understand what you're saying...I really do.

But I think that you have to remember that JP had her favorites and never wrote to flesh Noah out to begin with. She said implicility that "the romance between them is going to be kept within the context of the Snyder family." Oh really? So, Noah's a trophy? YEP! He sure is in JP's world!

But I'm w/ others on the board that I'm actually liking the writing these days (and the ratings have been fairly consistent to suggest that ppl are continually tuning in) and it's obvious that they're going to be devoting a hell of a lot more time to them both, which is great.

So we might get a lot of questions answered: why is Luke in love w/ Noah when he knows nothing about him? what really attracts them to each other? who IS Noah and how does he fit into Luke's life?

I think regardless of who Luke is with (whether it's Noah or some other guy) you've got to actually give some kind of reason why they're together. And if one character is not fleshed out, the relationship isn't believable (or it's not as believable as it could/should be). Having a trophy is great...but that doesn't give the character of Luke or the actor Van anything to work with really. He ends up being just as uninteresting as the toy.

:cool:

I can't believe it you actually made sense :devil:

No, seriously if this new story gives the Noah/Luke story some juice then I would be on board. I could even love Noah. I like him now but I want to love him. Because when I don't love each character in my couples I tend to take sides and not really look at the full picture sometimes. So if they do put Noah on equal footing this could change.

I guess we'll see.
Posted Image
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LoTr1985
Member Avatar

bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 11:13 PM
LoTr1985
Feb 1 2008, 05:03 AM
bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 10:56 PM
Rach, good points on the fleshed out issue. It is contradictory. I guess it's hard to explain because I felt he should have been fleshed out already. And it's like now if they flesh him out , why would I care? I dunno. I've had a long day and night so I know my black ass aint making any sense right now.

It's hard to write down what I'm thinking sometimes. I'm going to listen to "New Edition greatest hits" right now.  :song:

I understand what you're saying...I really do.

But I think that you have to remember that JP had her favorites and never wrote to flesh Noah out to begin with. She said implicility that "the romance between them is going to be kept within the context of the Snyder family." Oh really? So, Noah's a trophy? YEP! He sure is in JP's world!

But I'm w/ others on the board that I'm actually liking the writing these days (and the ratings have been fairly consistent to suggest that ppl are continually tuning in) and it's obvious that they're going to be devoting a hell of a lot more time to them both, which is great.

So we might get a lot of questions answered: why is Luke in love w/ Noah when he knows nothing about him? what really attracts them to each other? who IS Noah and how does he fit into Luke's life?

I think regardless of who Luke is with (whether it's Noah or some other guy) you've got to actually give some kind of reason why they're together. And if one character is not fleshed out, the relationship isn't believable (or it's not as believable as it could/should be). Having a trophy is great...but that doesn't give the character of Luke or the actor Van anything to work with really. He ends up being just as uninteresting as the toy.

:cool:

I can't believe it you actually made sense :devil:

No, seriously if this new story gives the Noah/Luke story some juice then I would be on board. I could even love Noah. I like him now but I want to love him. Because when I don't love each character in my couples I tend to take sides and not really look at the full picture sometimes. So if they do put Noah on equal footing this could change.

I guess we'll see.

Well, right now is my "witching hour" so I'm @ full throttle and full of wisdom and knowledge!

I think it's human nature to actually start "taking sides" when one character is not living up to the other. I mean hell, doesn't that happen in real life? You're strong but your partner is....not....and then somehow you find yourself losing strength and individuality because they become like emotional :blood: , just sucking the life right out of you?

I'm not saying this is the case with Luke/Noah (not yet) but the show either needs to balance them out with some story for Noah or they just need to let it go. That's why it's so hard to create supercouples. Supercouples are composed of two strong, individual characters who bring that strength and individuality to their union. Luke/Noah have no chance @ being a couple (much less a supercouple) if they don't start playing on equal ground.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
na00na

Violette
Feb 1 2008, 08:04 AM
Rachel, I can totally see your point and where you're coming from. But try to understand that for bubbles and I, who are Luke fans and have been for a long time, it's become kind of a touchy issue. When Noah came along, and got all this publicity and the couple became so popular, it was almost as though Luke and Noah became a package deal. We feel as though it's difficult to be a fan of Luke or Van without being forced to acknowledge the greatness of Noah and Jake, even if we don't see it.


I have only started watching the Luke and Noah s/l from Nov 2007 and I've become a Van/Luke fan. I like the story and hope it will develop further, but I am only a Van fan. I am with Violette and bubbles, it is as if you can't criticize Jake but strangely enough, Van is heavily criticized on his own fanboard by some members. When he's expressive, he is OTT, when Jake is emotionless, he is subtle.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Violette
Member Avatar
Grand Administratrix
LoTr1985
Feb 1 2008, 04:52 AM
Violette
Jan 31 2008, 06:04 PM
Rachel, I can totally see your point and where you're coming from.  But try to understand that for bubbles and I, who are Luke fans and have been for a long time, it's become kind of a touchy issue.  When Noah came along, and got all this publicity and the couple became so popular, it was almost as though Luke and Noah became a package deal.  We feel as though it's difficult to be a fan of Luke or Van without being forced to acknowledge the greatness of Noah and Jake, even if we don't see it.  I might be a bigger fan of Kevin than Noah, but God forbid I express that anywhere.  Or I might think that Luke and Noah don't make a good couple, or that Noah is a badly conceived character, or that I just don't care about him at all, and people jump all over me for not being supportive, which is a huge part of why we formed this board.

And I have no problem with you or anyone else defending Jake or Noah.  I just said something because you seemed to be the opposite of me--a Noah/Jake fan and not a Luke/Van fan--from the posts of yours that I see.

I think you can be both...a Noah/Luke fan and a Van/Luke fan. It's not mutually exclusive, at least not for me.

Again, I don't talk much about the s/l over here (or on vh.net) which is where you'd see my positivity about Van/Luke. Anyone who's posted on CBS would know I'm a supporter of him, both as an actor and a character.

For me, it's fine if you like Kevin better than Noah and I know bubbles does too. I don't like him for purely personal reasons and that's b/c he ain't hot to me. I think on a purely physical level, Luke *looks* better with Noah but that's just my opinion. I liked how nasty Kevin was...but I didn't really dig his character too much.

The only issue I have with this whole "I don't like Jake/Noah" thing is the reason used for not liking him...you said it yourself that it is contradictory to say "I don't like him because he's not fleshed out but I don't want him fleshed out." That, to me, doesn't make much sense. If he were fleshed out, and you still didn't like him, I'd get that. But the reasoning used above doesn't make sense to me.

I can agree that there are instances where Jake needs to step it up a notch. Even though I'm sure as an actor he might be bored (sort of like Grayson was), he should still give it the good ol' college try. It's just sticky when he does it sometimes but not others. However, I'm in the camp that believes that Jake has potential and I'd like to see it explored.

I guess the point to this ramble is that I can debate his acting and his character but you can't have a legitimate debate when the original premise is negated to begin with, i.e., "he's not fleshed out enough for me to like." If that's your reasoning, great! Let's see him fleshed out and see what he does. But it's really hard for me when you/bubbles come back 2 paragraphs later say "I don't want him fleshed out."

You just cancel yourself out.

I don't really want to resurrect this thread because I don't think it ended up keeping with the spirit of this board, but I do want to address this. First of all, I don't think you have to either like Luke or Noah, and I didn't mean to give that impression. Of course it's perfectly possible to like both, and a lot of people do. However, I don't. I shouldn't have to give my reasons for not liking a character, nor do they have to make sense. It's enough for me that I have a gut instinct to not care about him; I'm perfectly aware that it's contradictory but I don't care. We all said that we hated Cole (for example), and nobody jumped in and told us all why we should love him, or that our reasons for not liking him didn't make sense. We just didn't! This isn't a board about Noah (it is, I realize, a forum about him, because we knew that discussions about him would be unavoidable), so I don't feel the need to defend why I don't like him.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Longtime

bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 11:56 PM
I'm going to listen to "New Edition greatest hits" right now.  :song:

"Candy Girl" rocks.

And just something I always got the impression of, with regard to those who staunchly defend Noah to the point of not keeping quiet whenever he's criticized -

First, understand I am NOT speaking of any individual poster when I say this, I am speaking in generalities of human nature. This is NOT directed at any individual, specific person. There are of course many other reasons why someone can like Noah's character a lot, I'm just trying to theorize on one of them without tying my ideas to anyone, and without speaking for anyone except myself because myself is the only person I have any right to speak for. Now, here goes nothing --

I always thought that maybe Noah and the way he has been written so far could have hit so close to home for some, that it's like they're defending themselves when they defend Noah. Not everyone of course, just some people. I'm not here to tell anyone what someone else thinks, but I believe myself that Noah's inabillity to express himself is a trait a lot of people have, and wish with all their heart that they could break out of, regardless of gender, orientation, parental upbringing, etc. A lot of people are just....simply....like this, for any of a million reasons, and I can see that maybe it's not a lot of fun for them, and maybe Noah gives them a voice, and a way to try to help themselves. I don't remember ever seeing this issue played out on any show, if so someone please correct me, but maybe the people who have a lot to say about Noah criticism just see their own desire in Noah to break out of this trait themselves, and be a little less lonely in the world in the process.

Again, just my theories aimed at no specific person. I can't stress that enough.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Violette
Member Avatar
Grand Administratrix
Longtime
Feb 1 2008, 02:32 PM
bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 11:56 PM
I'm going to listen to "New Edition greatest hits" right now.  :song:

"Candy Girl" rocks.

And just something I always got the impression of, with regard to those who staunchly defend Noah to the point of not keeping quiet whenever he's criticized -

First, understand I am NOT speaking of any individual poster when I say this, I am speaking in generalities of human nature. This is NOT directed at any individual, specific person. There are of course many other reasons why someone can like Noah's character a lot, I'm just trying to theorize on one of them without tying my ideas to anyone, and without speaking for anyone except myself because myself is the only person I have any right to speak for. Now, here goes nothing --

I always thought that maybe Noah and the way he has been written so far could have hit so close to home for some, that it's like they're defending themselves when they defend Noah. Not everyone of course, just some people. I'm not here to tell anyone what someone else thinks, but I believe myself that Noah's inabillity to express himself is a trait a lot of people have, and wish with all their heart that they could break out of, regardless of gender, orientation, parental upbringing, etc. A lot of people are just....simply....like this, for any of a million reasons, and I can see that maybe it's not a lot of fun for them, and maybe Noah gives them a voice, and a way to try to help themselves. I don't remember ever seeing this issue played out on any show, if so someone please correct me, but maybe the people who have a lot to say about Noah criticism just see their own desire in Noah to break out of this trait themselves, and be a little less lonely in the world in the process.

Again, just my theories aimed at no specific person. I can't stress that enough.

That post may hold the record for "most disclaimers." :) But I think you're right.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Longtime

Violette
Feb 1 2008, 10:57 AM
Longtime
Feb 1 2008, 02:32 PM
bubbles
Jan 31 2008, 11:56 PM
I'm going to listen to "New Edition greatest hits" right now.  :song:

"Candy Girl" rocks.

And just something I always got the impression of, with regard to those who staunchly defend Noah to the point of not keeping quiet whenever he's criticized -

First, understand I am NOT speaking of any individual poster when I say this, I am speaking in generalities of human nature. This is NOT directed at any individual, specific person. There are of course many other reasons why someone can like Noah's character a lot, I'm just trying to theorize on one of them without tying my ideas to anyone, and without speaking for anyone except myself because myself is the only person I have any right to speak for. Now, here goes nothing --

I always thought that maybe Noah and the way he has been written so far could have hit so close to home for some, that it's like they're defending themselves when they defend Noah. Not everyone of course, just some people. I'm not here to tell anyone what someone else thinks, but I believe myself that Noah's inabillity to express himself is a trait a lot of people have, and wish with all their heart that they could break out of, regardless of gender, orientation, parental upbringing, etc. A lot of people are just....simply....like this, for any of a million reasons, and I can see that maybe it's not a lot of fun for them, and maybe Noah gives them a voice, and a way to try to help themselves. I don't remember ever seeing this issue played out on any show, if so someone please correct me, but maybe the people who have a lot to say about Noah criticism just see their own desire in Noah to break out of this trait themselves, and be a little less lonely in the world in the process.

Again, just my theories aimed at no specific person. I can't stress that enough.

That post may hold the record for "most disclaimers." :) But I think you're right.

You're right, I'm sometimes guilty of overkill with posting because I know I don't have the luxury of immediately clarifying if I'm misunderstood - so I try too hard to get the point across accurately.
:P
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LoTr1985
Member Avatar

na00na
Feb 1 2008, 01:56 AM
Violette
Feb 1 2008, 08:04 AM
Rachel, I can totally see your point and where you're coming from.  But try to understand that for bubbles and I, who are Luke fans and have been for a long time, it's become kind of a touchy issue.  When Noah came along, and got all this publicity and the couple became so popular, it was almost as though Luke and Noah became a package deal.  We feel as though it's difficult to be a fan of Luke or Van without being forced to acknowledge the greatness of Noah and Jake, even if we don't see it. 


I have only started watching the Luke and Noah s/l from Nov 2007 and I've become a Van/Luke fan. I like the story and hope it will develop further, but I am only a Van fan. I am with Violette and bubbles, it is as if you can't criticize Jake but strangely enough, Van is heavily criticized on his own fanboard by some members. When he's expressive, he is OTT, when Jake is emotionless, he is subtle.

I don't think you've seen me post enough to know whether or not I can't criticize Jake (which for the record I have, on quite a few occassions). I'm not going to explain myself again when you've just jumped into the convo.

And Violette, my entire point is that if you want to heart Van, that's fine. But don't expect ppl who are actually okay w/ Jake and/or Noah not to say something when you put out there that you don't like them. It doesn't matter if this is a board for Jake or not. You throw yourself out there like that, expect a reaction. You can't have it both ways...you get to heart Van, you get to dislike Jake/Noah (contradicting yourself in the process), and not expect anybody to say "hey, wait a minute, I don't agree" and actually have valid reasons why they don't agree. If you can't defend yourself or your argument about why you don't like him, perhaps there's room for examination of your reasoning to begin with.

I can stand behind whatever I say, no matter where I post it, because I actually think about it. If you don't want to be challenged with a statement like "I don't like him" don't put it out there.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · All About Luke and Noah · Next Topic »
Add Reply

This Skin was Created by SickforGaborik/Meow of Signature Sports
Thanks to JPEG for the banner!