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Luke and Noah This Week
Topic Started: Jul 21 2008, 09:16 AM (253 Views)
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Everything truly groundbreaking with this story is going to be no-win, as long as the die-hards on "each side" are so passionate about their beliefs that they're literally unwilling to budge at all for the sake of true progress. Again, I say that about BOTH sides. The ideal situation would be for EACH die-hard to either concede some discomfort with an open mind, or to have patience and give the other side time to adjust, whichever applies. But it's not happening, because EACH side is unwilling to take the other viewpoint into account - which implies prejudice on BOTH sides, I'm afraid. And that's why it's always no-win for TPTB, which earns them my respect for their long term commitment to Luke and Noah, and to Van and Jake.
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Jul 22 2008, 03:19 PM
Judging how these past few weeks have played out and what's to come, I think that sex is going to become an issue between them. So what should the show do? If they're not ready for them to have sex, should they just stop mentioning it or referring to it or having it be an issue altogether? Because it seems to me then viewers would say that they won't even let the guys talk or think about sex, much less do it. I think this is a situation is when they can't win and they'll get flak no matter what they do.
And another comment also, it looks like maybe this time, Luke is the one with the insecurity, and hopefully Noah's the wise one who will see Luke through the tough times. Maybe if so, the plan is to use this story to (1) let Noah be a good guy and be there for Luke, and (2) buy some time with the people uncomfortable with it, while they watch Parker and Liberty be so immoral. Still, I would have liked to see Luke heal Noah more than we have so far. Seems like that's just dropped, and the summer of "Luke teaching Noah he's worthy of being loved" that JP said in the mag interview, was literally one SINGLE line of dialogue and not a story to play out at all. Yet another wasted chance for good character developmenf of Noah Mayer.
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I'm not sure about that, especially if Noah is still dealing with his issues and because of it, he's unable to be intimate with Luke. Maybe Luke still has some more work to do where Noah is concerned. It sounds like though Luke needs Noah and I mean sexually, Noah's issues still are in their way.
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Hmm.....I didn't think of it from that angle, I just saw Luke's problems because of Holden, and Noah helping him. I guess I just assumed they'd sweep Noah's issues under the rug again like usual. :-) But I hope they don't, the scenario you have above sounds like something I'd like to see. Maybe they'll both kinda help the other through at the same time?
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You know, the more I think about it....both at once would make a great angsty story! Noah's father issues keeping him from being ready, and Luke's father issues (both of them) making him insecure about their relationship and needing an unready Noah as "proof" they're together. That could be good stuff IF they played both of these at once !

And, IDG's tidbit about Luke wanting to move out of the Farm and Noah saying his family needs them, would play right into this....what if Lucinda offered them the poolhouse after what she said to Emma today, Luke wants to take her up on it, but Noah doesn't? That could be great stuff !
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Remember Van saying that a character brings up marriage in reference to Luke and Noah? I was thinking it's Emma that brings it up and she realizes that she's being unfair to Luke and Noah. They would get married if they could and if they were married Emma would have no problem with them sharing a bedroom. But since they can't, it's not fair to them so Emma concedes and let's them share a bedroom... only Noah isn't ready to do so. That probably isn't how it will play out, because of this rumor about Luke asking Noah to move, but that's what I was thinking.
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Jul 22 2008, 05:33 PM
You know, the more I think about it....both at once would make a great angsty story! Noah's father issues keeping him from being ready, and Luke's father issues (both of them) making him insecure about their relationship and needing an unready Noah as "proof" they're together. That could be good stuff IF they played both of these at once !

And, IDG's tidbit about Luke wanting to move out of the Farm and Noah saying his family needs them, would play right into this....what if Lucinda offered them the poolhouse after what she said to Emma today, Luke wants to take her up on it, but Noah doesn't? That could be great stuff !
love what you said but i don't see Jean writing Noah that way. it seems like she just want to forget about noah.
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So, it's been confirmed to me that that Luke does ask Noah to move away from the farm and get their own place, setting the stage for their next source of conflict.
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My thoughts...conflict means story, so I'm glad they have story. And I'm even gladder that this will be character driven story, and not plot driven story. And I am gladder still, that it's story between just the two of them, and no other character. If done right, and given ample airtime (doubt this one), it could be good viewing.
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Thanks for the inside scoop on Nuke. And I know this group knows that without conflict there is no sl. And LT, you are absolutely right. At least this is character driven and no third party involved which I love. This looks as if it will be a really good and realistic story to tell. As the writers are taking their time and exploring this romantic relationship.

What bothers me, and I know it shouldn't, is that some fans seemed to be seeing sex between Luke and Noah and the sex that Liberty and Parker are going to have as a contest. sort of as, who will get to the finish line first-lol. I think what it does show is that Luke and Noah are in love and can be open and honest in their relationship and mature, while the two "children" Liberty and Parker are no where near that .

I wished that people would at least give the writers a chance; the Nuke sl wouldn't even be addressed if TPTB were "homophoic." I know I'm preaching to the choir here but if the explanation is reasonable for the "lack" of sex for Nuke, I'm okay with it. I'm so into the love and affection that Luke and Noah have and that Van and Jake ensure through their acting gets expressed, that I'm sitting back and enjoying them.
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Jul 23 2008, 11:47 AM
What bothers me, and I know it shouldn't, is that some fans seemed to be seeing sex between Luke and Noah and the sex that Liberty and Parker are going to have as a contest. sort of as, who will get to the finish line first-lol. I think what it does show is that Luke and Noah are in love and can be open and honest in their relationship and mature, while the two "children" Liberty and Parker are no where near that .

Well I'll be the first to admit that I'm extremely pissed that Puberty is having sex before Nuke, but not just because I considered it a "contest". First off, I do find it very unrealistic that Luke & Noah still have not had sex. Family problems aside, we are talking about two 19 year old boys here!

My concern is the message the writers are sending to young teenage viewers who've tuned in to watch ATWT's this summer. In the past all of the young couples waited 9+ months before having sex, Will & Gwen, Casey & Maddie, and now (still) Nuke. Parker & Liberty are much younger then all of them, they only met 3 months ago, and they have no feelings for one another. Have they even went on a date yet? And what's going to be the reason for having sex so quickly? Because they have messed up parents? Shame on you ATWT's!!

BTW, if Luke used that excuse, Nuke would've had sex LONG before now! ^o)

Now back to Luke wanting to move out and get a place with Noah. Even if Noah wants to "wait", why couldn't they still live together? Luke's rich, he can afford a 2 bedroom apartment! Stupid writers. :pissed:
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Jul 23 2008, 11:31 AM
So, it's been confirmed to me that that Luke does ask Noah to move away from the farm and get their own place, setting the stage for their next source of conflict.
So we can assume the conflict is Noah says No? Like I just mentioned, they could live together and not have sex. They're already doing that at the farm?

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Jul 23 2008, 06:31 PM
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Jul 23 2008, 11:47 AM
What bothers me, and I know it shouldn't, is that some fans seemed to be seeing sex between Luke and Noah and the sex that Liberty and Parker are going to have as a contest. sort of as, who will get to the finish line first-lol. I think what it does show is that Luke and Noah are in love and can be open and honest in their relationship and mature, while the two "children" Liberty and Parker are no where near that .

Well I'll be the first to admit that I'm extremely pissed that Puberty is having sex before Nuke, but not just because I considered it a "contest". First off, I do find it very unrealistic that Luke & Noah still have not had sex. Family problems aside, we are talking about two 19 year old boys here!

My concern is the message the writers are sending to young teenage viewers who've tuned in to watch ATWT's this summer. In the past all of the young couples waited 9+ months before having sex, Will & Gwen, Casey & Maddie, and now (still) Nuke. Parker & Liberty are much younger then all of them, they only met 3 months ago, and they have no feelings for one another. Have they even went on a date yet? And what's going to be the reason for having sex so quickly? Because they have messed up parents? Shame on you ATWT's!!

BTW, if Luke used that excuse, Nuke would've had sex LONG before now! ^o)

Now back to Luke wanting to move out and get a place with Noah. Even if Noah wants to "wait", why couldn't they still live together? Luke's rich, he can afford a 2 bedroom apartment! Stupid writers. :pissed:
Just because they are 19 year old males doesn't necessarily mean they can't wait for sex. Also Noah is still suffering from depression and depression, not the "feeling blue" kind of depression, can affect a person's sexual drive. This is realistic and I'm glad the writers are addressing that. Once again, I think the writers are usually more sensitive in the telling of the Nuke sl than most others. (I know I'm ducking.) lol

The boys' first time should be special not out of Luke's anger at Holden and Carly and his family crisis. Noah can see that and Noah's going to be there to be supportive of Luke and remind him that their love for each other is not about trying to prove anything.

It appears that the Nuke sl is leading up to that "perfect"moment and though we fans have waited I think it will be worthy waiting for.

Should they have had sex a while ago? Perhpas. But it didn't happen and at least now it's out there, mentioned quite frequently lately by not only them but other characters as well. I think that's a good sign.
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cool thank for the info. i hope we see thing from Noah and Luke side then just one side that just being Luke. to me it seems like Noah is haft baked. LOL. i would love to have more of Noah backstory revaled.
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