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Mothra Vs. Godzilla(1964); Discuss the film here.
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In April of 1964 Toho released Godzilla Vs Mothra(1964). In my opinion this film is a true classic. Toho gets it all right with this film-the music, the actors, the score, and last(but certainly not least) the monsters, Godzilla and Mothra(adult and twin larval forms). The story: a giant egg is discovered floating off the coast of a Japanese village. The local villagers manage to beach the egg, and promptly sell it to a local businessman and self-proclaimed "great entrepreneur." Meanwhile, the twin fairies appear, appealing to a reporter, cameraman, and scientist to help arrange the rightful return of the egg to Mothra. They fail. In the meantime, Godzilla, buried at the beach(from the typhoon), emerges from the sand in grand fashion, and immediately goes on a rampage. The miltary tries, without success, to stop Godzilla. The trio of photog/reporter/scientist go to the fairies island and make an appeal to them for Mothra's assistance in stopping Godzilla. At first refusing to help, the fairies relent and Mothra promises to fight Godzilla, with a hitch: the giant winged monster is on her last life cycle, and her strength is fading. Mothra and Godzilla have a great battle. The egg is hatched by the chants of the fairies and the natives faraway. Two twin larval offspring set out to Iwo Island to engage Godzilla in the climactic battle. Post your comments and opinions about this film here. :)
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The films rocks!
SPFX are top notch, acting is great, my favorite kaiju, Mothra, is in the film and my personal favorite Showa Godzilla suit is used.
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Pretty good, and the last Showa movie with Goji as the villain! Also started the crossovers of other kaiju into the Goji series.
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I first thought it was stupid but I was young. Now, I think it's okay. But godzilla getting beat by 2 babies is just plain funny!
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Pretty good film. The idea of twin larva was pretty cool to.
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Pretty good film. The idea of twin larva was pretty cool to.

Which version have you watched? The original(Japanese) version or the one with the frontier missile scene(the Americanized scene)? I have both. It is the one instance where I like the scene with the American actors as opposed to the original version of a Toho kaiju film. :huh:
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Which version have you watched?

The Americanized Version. ;)
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Y'know, I've only seen the American International Pictures version and that's all I care to see. I absolutely love the dubbing and the Frontier Missile scene is cool--albeit pointless. There's just so much nostalgia I have for the AIP versions of the Godzilla films. It's a shame they're being replaced with Toho's inferior international dubs.
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Y'know, I've only seen the American International Pictures version and that's all I care to see.  I absolutely love the dubbing and the Frontier Missile scene is cool--albeit pointless.  There's just so much nostalgia I have for the AIP versions of the Godzilla films.  It's a shame they're being replaced with Toho's inferior international dubs.

It most certainly is. One example of this that comes to mind is the AIP dubbing for Destroy All Monsters(1968). The narration is ably provided by Norman Rose, whose deep voice adds, I think, authority and an added touch of seriousness to this film. The voice of the narrator in the ADV release of this movie sounds like a businessman's Mr Limpet. crazy
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Turner Classic Movies has posted a very good review of the Classic Media DVD re-release of Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964): http://www.tcm.com/movienews/index/?cid=172096
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Turner Classic Movies has posted a very good review of the Classic Media DVD re-release of Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964): http://www.tcm.com/movienews/index/?cid=172096

Indeed a pretty favorable review thumbs up
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Indeed a pretty favorable review

I'm curious Trent-have you been picking up any of these Classic Media DVDs, the new releases and re-releases? heyo My favorites so far between all of them are Gojira(1954) and Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964). That said they are all very good.
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I'm curious Trent-have you been picking up any of these Classic Media DVDs, the new releases and re-releases? heyo My favorites so far between all of them are Gojira(1954) and Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964). That said they are all very good.

No I haven't brought any new dvds period. I'm trying to wait until I move before I buy any new dvds but temptation is causing me to think otherwise Mr Green
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No I haven't brought any new dvds period. I'm trying to wait until I move before I buy any new dvds but temptation is causing me to think otherwise

The Classic Media "Godzilla" DVD Box Set will be released sometime later this year(no exact date has been set yet), which will include: Godzilla Raids Again(1955), Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964), Ghidrah The Three-Headed Monster(1964), Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(1965), Godzilla's Revenge(1969) & Terror Of Mechagodzilla(1975). This set is not expected to include Gojira(1954). The expected retail price for this box set is between $70-80. You could wait and get the Box Set, Trent.
What makes these DVDs standout is the fact they contain both Japanese and American versions of these films, the prints all look stellar, and there are a multitude of extras that include trailers, audio commentaries, and stills galleries.
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The Classic Media "Godzilla" DVD Box Set will be released sometime later this year(no exact date has been set yet), which will include: Godzilla Raids Again(1955), Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964), Ghidrah The Three-Headed Monster(1964), Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(1965), Godzilla's Revenge(1969) & Terror Of Mechagodzilla(1975). This set is not expected to include Gojira(1954). The expected retail price for this box set is between $70-80. You could wait and get the Box Set, Trent.
What makes these DVDs standout is the fact they contain both Japanese and American versions of these films, the prints all look stellar, and there are a multitude of extras that include trailers, audio commentaries, and stills galleries.
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Hmm so G54 isn't in the boxset? Then I'll probably order that one along with some other dvds I want to get (Naruto Boxset 3 and Tekkaman Blade Boxset 2). Thanks for the info and it seems Classic Media has really step up in terms of quality over their past dvd efforts.
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Hmm so G54 isn't in the boxset?
The word, right now, from Classic Media, is that it will not be part of the set, though this could change.
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Thanks for the info and it seems Classic Media has really step up in terms of quality over their past dvd efforts
I always strive to post the latest updates and related info on all giant monster films(Asian and non-Asian) and, to a lesser degree, many horror films. One of the best sites I have found for updates on Toho and other Asian kaiju movies is Sci-Fi Japan, run by Keith Aiken. Currently, Classic Media is going to release, in Sept/07, Godzilla's Revenge(1969) and Terror Of Mechagodzilla(1975) as stand alone discs. After this CM will begin plans on getting the Box Set out. In 2008 Classic Media is going to release, for the first time on R1 DVD, War of The Gargantuas(1966), and re-release Rodan(1956). Rodan was released by CM years ago, Trent, but it's a bare bones DVD, with no extras and an average-looking print, and in English dubbing(only)-CM wants to put out an enhanced release of "Rodan" for fans.

Trivia about the topic of this thread: after Toho decided to use Mothra as the primary adversary to Godzilla in 1964's Mothra vs Godzilla, Mothra's size, from the 1961 film Mothra, was reduced by half, in order to make the winged insect monster's size more comparable to that of the 50 meter tall Godzilla. ;)
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In 2008 Classic Media is going to release, for the first time on R1 DVD, War of The Gargantuas(1966), and re-release Rodan(1956). Rodan was released by CM years ago, Trent, but it's a bare bones DVD, with no extras and an average-looking print, and in English dubbing(only)-CM wants to put out an enhanced release of "Rodan" for fans.


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Trivia about the topic of this thread: after Toho decided to use Mothra as the primary adversary to Godzilla in 1964's Mothra vs Godzilla, Mothra's size, from the 1961 film Mothra, was reduced by half, in order to make the winged insect monster's size more comparable to that of the 50 meter tall Godzilla.  ;)


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...all the same the bug still got blasted. I'm still the president of the anti-Mothra fan club

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Indeed, I'm aware of your disdain for Mothra-you're not alone. I have seen lots of individuals on various kaiju boards with less than flattering opinions of the winged insect monster, many of whom state, in their posts, that Mothra has been, throughout its on screen history, little more than Godzilla's own personal cannon fodder. I don't share this contempt and dislike for Mothra, but it's what makes these boards interesting to me, reading about all the differing opinions out there regarding giant monsters.

Topic: one thing that generated a large amount of comment and debate, Trent, regarding the new Classic Media DVD Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964): the fact that the "Americanized" version on this disc, AIP's Godzilla Vs The Thing, was not presented in its original aspect ratio of 2:35:1 widescreen(often called "letterbox")-instead it's shown in a 16x9 format, which included some cropping of the image. Ed Godzizewski, a consultant to Classic Media during the making of this DVD, suggested to Classic Media that they use the 16x9 print because the color looked better overall(than the AIP 2:35.1 print). CM took his advice, much to the chagrin of many "purists", including myself, that would have preferred to see the American version in its OAR(original aspect ratio), like the Japanese version, also in 2:35.1 letterbox. The SIMITAR DVD of this movie, released in 1998, and called Godzilla Vs Mothra, is actually "Godzilla Vs The Thing", and is presented in its OAR of 2:35.1.
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IMO I think this film is overrated.

Godzilla looks evil, but his wobbly lip is annoying.

Mothra looks alright, but her fighting Godzilla seems a bit stupid, I mean he kept on missing and finally got a hit.

The ending was.... boring, it was embarrassing, getting defeated by two Larvae.


The Special Effects are good and the miniatures.
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Godzilla looks evil, but his wobbly lip is annoying
I believe the problem with this "malfunction" of the Mosugoji suit had something to do with some damage to the suit that happened during the scene where Godzilla slips and crashes into the huge castle. The "face" of the suit was jarred loose a little. I understand how you would be annoyed by it because it was annoying to me as well.

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Mothra looks alright, but her fighting Godzilla seems a bit stupid, I mean he kept on missing and finally got a hit
Godzilla, at least to me, doesn't always appear very coordinated in this film, which happens to be my second favorite "G" film after the 1954 original. I admit some bias as I grew up watching this film and other Showa Godzilla films on television. My only complaint, regarding the battle between Godzilla and the adult Mothra were the brief "puppetry" effects used. As far as Godzilla's repeated misses in his attempts to hit Mothra with his oral ray recall that Godzilla was on the defensive for most of the battle-he is first blown off his feet by hurricane force winds, then dragged into a ravine and consequently covered in poison powder by Mothra. When Godzilla finally does manage to rise Mothra harasses him more, buzzing about his head like a huge buzzard.
Without the beam weapons that Mothra(adult) can bring to bear in the Heisei films this Mothra has to rely on the hurricane force winds generated by it's wings and the poison powder. What was most remarkable to me were the overhead wires and the technical wireworks efforts from Toho's special effects crew on this film. thumbs up

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The ending was.... boring, it was embarrassing, getting defeated by two Larvae.
I can't say it's boring for me though I can say I liked the battle between Godzilla and the adult Mothra much better than Godzilla and the twin larvae.


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Absolutely agreed, and high speed filming was used to great length in this movie. thumbs up
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poison powder by mothra this attack i heard first time
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poison powder by mothra this attack i heard first time

Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964) was, after all, the first time we see Mothra use it's poison powder in battle. :)
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I might as well say one more thing why I dont like this film very much.

One of my top reasons is that Godzilla himself in this film is meant to be un-stoppable menace, but thanks to Godzilla falling over nearly all the time like he has been drinking and is far too drunk.

Once again about the ending, its very anti-climatic, IMO Godzilla here seems to have pathetic aim and the loss between two Young Mothra's is embarrassing, also that I really dislike Godzilla's look, its my most disliked suit.

Its still a decent film, but its far from a masterpiece.
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I agree with most of your opinions, Matthew. Im not a big fan of Mothra and thought it was ridiculous, especially when I was a kid, to see Godzilla beaten by the two larvae.
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Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964) - Revisited

As most of you may know, I am off work, have been, since Friday 12/21/07 and I do not return to work until Thursday, 1/3/08. Having some spare time on my hands I have been watching Showa Godzilla and other classic Toho movies. Today I watched Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964) from beginning to end. Some observations:

-despite its flaws this movie remains in my top five "Godzilla" films. I'm not referring to this in a critical light, but simply a matter of taste.

-I have seen this movie widely criticized on the internet and most of this criticism is from younger folks(teens and early twenties). Much of the criticism I read regards the special effects. Reminder: this film was made in 1964. Eiji Tsuburaya could not use CGI, green screens, and various other digital based editing media so commonly used today in movies. Toho did have an expensive optical printer(only Walt Disney had one like it at the time). Aside from this Tsuburaya and his effects team did it the old fashioned way: through wireworks, suit acting, miniatures, a water tank and matte shots(including background paintings). I consider the flaws in this film wholly acceptable, given the technology available at the time(1964).

-I have always liked the characters in Mothra Vs Godzilla: the egg eating reporter(Yu Fujiki), his gruff boss(Jun Takazi), Dr. Miura(Hiroshi Koizumi) and of course Akira Takarada, Yuriko Hoshi, and Kenji Sahara. These characters are like comfort food for me, when it comes to watching these older kaiju films.

-the Godzilla suit in this movie, called Mosugoji, is, IMO, a very nice design. I do agree with many that the "quivering" lip of the face of the suit does get a little annoying.

-Mothra(adult) Vs Godzilla is, IMO, a fun battle to watch. The challenges facing the Toho wireworks team must have been immense and my hats off to them for making Mothra, a large prop, come alive in this battle.

-regarding the battle on Iwa island between Godzilla and the twin larval Mothra, there is no doubt, as has been suggested at other message boards, that Godzilla did not fight a good fight here. The larvae covered and concealed well, using their cocooning silk to optimum effect. Godzilla played to these larva's strengths. Had this been battle played out in an open area, such as a plain, certainly Godzilla would have probably, with a clear shot at both smaller creatures, incinerated them both with oral beams.

-the plot was very appealing to me, involving one of the most basic, and unfortunately recurring, flaws in people: greed.

-I would love to see this film in a movie theater with surround sound.
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I happened across this, while studying trivia about Godzilla Vs The Thing(1964): http://www.doomsdaydvd.com/godzillamothra.html

This link provides a DVD review comparing the 1998 SIMITAR R1 DVD release of the AIP(American) version vs the Classic Media R1 DVD release from last year, the comparison including images of the respective DVD's transfers.(and their aspect ratios).
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The worst thing about the Simitar version is that awful box art. :lol:

Honestly though, it was a good read, nice in-depth comparison. It's a shame that the Classic media print had the most vibrant color transfer but at the same time was presented in an aspect ratio that limited the picture so severely as compared with the other versions.
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Be happy that I like Godzilla Raids Again
I am but I'm never satisfied with 1/2. I think eventually you'll come around to liking Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964).

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