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Mothra Vs. Godzilla(1964); Discuss the film here.
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Apr 21 2013, 08:29 AM
Looks like Godzilla wasn't drinking beer during the filming of this movie but wine
Godzilla, while he obviously appeared in this commercial, undoubtedly drinks sake and not "Yellow Tail". Agree, Matthew? clowny1
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Godzilla, while he obviously appeared in this commercial, undoubtedly drinks sake and not "Yellow Tail". Agree, Matthew? clowny1
It's possible that he drank both. tongue-2
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On reflection, I appreciate the ending of this film more so then when I was a Child Viewer.
Point being, Godzilla is defeated. Like Bugs Bunny, if he were to win and never be defeated, then we would have a recycled narrative over and over.
Eventually the Story and Character become predictable, even boring.
Godzilla films tend to keep things fresh(From Villain to hero and back again)
I prefer he loose sometimes at the very end, with the ambiguous possibility he will return(And he does of course)

As a child however, I never liked seeing Godzilla loose. Even if the direction and story suggested he was the antagonist. He was always more appealing to look at, and root for.(Despite his despicable actions) He did a lot of loosing in the early showa period, didn't he.


I have an Analysis question for all members who've seen the film.
Is this Godzilla still the metaphor for the Bomb, Still just an Creature of Unexplained Evil Motivations?
Or is he more of just an Animal here, fueled by instinct?
(Obviously Godzilla is still the antagonist here, but What do we clarify him as here? An Evil Monster, or just a Monster?)

I've forgotten some of his emotional response's in the film. And may need to review the film again(And Will) But maybe some of his actions suggested a more intelligent creature then previously.
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Apr 26 2013, 10:51 PM
I have an Analysis question for all members who've seen the film.
Is this Godzilla still the metaphor for the Bomb, Still just an Creature of Unexplained Evil Motivations?
Or is he more of just an Animal here, fueled by instinct?
I don't see Godzilla as a metaphor for the A bomb so much as I see him as a malevolent, menacing force of nature in Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964). The typhoon at the beginning of this movie brings both destruction and salvation to Japan: the typhoon washes Godzilla up at the beach and it also deposits Mothra's giant egg ashore as well. The former will awaken and, being in a predictably foul mood, immediately go on a destructive rampage while the contents of the egg will later remove Godzilla as a threat to Japan.

I actually like the end of the movie because Godzilla is stopped but not killed. This allows for two things: firstly that Godzilla is not invincible and that another kaiju adversary(or adversaries) can get the best of the monster in battle. I believe this lack of invincibility makes Godzilla more interesting and the films the creature appears in more interesting as well. Secondly, the ending allows for Godzilla to return in more movies which Toho obviously went into the production of these movies planning to do, at least through 1968's Destroy All Monsters.
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Apr 29 2011, 10:20 AM
I don't care how many fans analyze that scene, there opinions don't make sense to me
What explanation would make sense to you? heyo
I've re watched the picture, and thus, reevaluated some things.
Still holds up. As a Narrative, it really feels tight and conclusive. A Definitive Godzilla Adventure.
My one problem is the final battle. It's Good, and I'm glad Godzilla is defeated. But the way the sequence is edited is very very repetitive. Constant cutting back and forth of the same footage over and over to create the illusion that things are progressing. That Technique is sometimes used in other older films I've seen. And Frankly, I can't stand it.

@Packmule: Your Explanation is suffice. And I agree with it. In fact on multiple viewings it makes perfect sense.

As far as how he remained unconscious through the ordeal. I offer two explanations.

Explanation 1 He was knocked unconscious after the events of King Kong vs Godzilla. Drifted out at sea, wound up in a hurricane and got buried on the beach. Regaining his senses, he quickly got out and proceeded to attack the nearest city. Obviously unhappy.

The reason I think he could stay asleep that long is because I'm not sure it was an entire two years. Maybe Film Release wise, but not canon.

Explanation 2 He's a real heavy sleeper. Dozed off, and wound up in the hurricane. Washed ashore, and buried. Kind of like how a whale is beached. Except this time, Godzilla chose to hit the snooze button on his internal alarm.


Other than that, I don't think it's a huge deal how he got there.
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Explanation 1 He was knocked unconscious after the events of King Kong vs Godzilla. Drifted out at sea, wound up in a hurricane and got buried on the beach. Regaining his senses, he quickly got out and proceeded to attack the nearest city. Obviously unhappy.

The reason I think he could stay asleep that long is because I'm not sure it was an entire two years. Maybe Film Release wise, but not canon.

Explanation 2 He's a real heavy sleeper. Dozed off, and wound up in the hurricane. Washed ashore, and buried. Kind of like how a whale is beached. Except this time, Godzilla chose to hit the snooze button on his internal alarm.


Other than that, I don't think it's a huge deal how he got there.
Explanation 1 is usually the most commonly accepted. It seems to flow nicely and Explanation 2 can actually be a contributing factor to Explanation 1. Given what we see in later movies, I wouldn't be surprised.

Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster, for example, in which we see him snoring away at the bottom of a cave that appears to have closed in around him (or else there's a massive underwater entrance at the bottom), and it takes LIGHTNING to wake him up. Godzilla being a heavy sleeper seems to be one of the Showa series's few consistencies...
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Apr 29 2011, 10:20 AM
I don't care how many fans analyze that scene, there opinions don't make sense to me
What explanation would make sense to you? heyo
I've re watched the picture, and thus, reevaluated some things.
Still holds up. As a Narrative, it really feels tight and conclusive. A Definitive Godzilla Adventure.
My one problem is the final battle. It's Good, and I'm glad Godzilla is defeated. But the way the sequence is edited is very very repetitive. Constant cutting back and forth of the same footage over and over to create the illusion that things are progressing. That Technique is sometimes used in other older films I've seen. And Frankly, I can't stand it.

@Packmule: Your Explanation is suffice. And I agree with it. In fact on multiple viewings it makes perfect sense.

As far as how he remained unconscious through the ordeal. I offer two explanations.

Explanation 1 He was knocked unconscious after the events of King Kong vs Godzilla. Drifted out at sea, wound up in a hurricane and got buried on the beach. Regaining his senses, he quickly got out and proceeded to attack the nearest city. Obviously unhappy.

The reason I think he could stay asleep that long is because I'm not sure it was an entire two years. Maybe Film Release wise, but not canon.

Explanation 2 He's a real heavy sleeper. Dozed off, and wound up in the hurricane. Washed ashore, and buried. Kind of like how a whale is beached. Except this time, Godzilla chose to hit the snooze button on his internal alarm.


Other than that, I don't think it's a huge deal how he got there.
Maybe Godzilla hibernates?

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Explanation 1 He was knocked unconscious after the events of King Kong vs Godzilla. Drifted out at sea, wound up in a hurricane and got buried on the beach. Regaining his senses, he quickly got out and proceeded to attack the nearest city. Obviously unhappy.

The reason I think he could stay asleep that long is because I'm not sure it was an entire two years. Maybe Film Release wise, but not canon.

Explanation 2 He's a real heavy sleeper. Dozed off, and wound up in the hurricane. Washed ashore, and buried. Kind of like how a whale is beached. Except this time, Godzilla chose to hit the snooze button on his internal alarm.


Other than that, I don't think it's a huge deal how he got there.
Explanation 1 is usually the most commonly accepted. It seems to flow nicely and Explanation 2 can actually be a contributing factor to Explanation 1. Given what we see in later movies, I wouldn't be surprised.

Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster, for example, in which we see him snoring away at the bottom of a cave that appears to have closed in around him (or else there's a massive underwater entrance at the bottom), and it takes LIGHTNING to wake him up. Godzilla being a heavy sleeper seems to be one of the Showa series's few consistencies...
I would almost buy this one if it wasn't for the fact that it was supposed to have been King Kong dozing away in that cave instead of Godzilla. Like I ask, would you buy my hibernation theory?

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Aug 8 2013, 01:22 PM
Like I ask, would you buy my hibernation theory?
Russ, I think it entirely possible that Godzilla could and even did hibernate. These long, uninterrupted sleeps are in fact hibernation aren't they? Godzy
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Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster, for example, in which we see him snoring away at the bottom of a cave that appears to have closed in around him (or else there's a massive underwater entrance at the bottom), and it takes LIGHTNING to wake him up. Godzilla being a heavy sleeper seems to be one of the Showa series's few consistencies...
I would almost buy this one if it wasn't for the fact that it was supposed to have been King Kong dozing away in that cave instead of Godzilla. Like I ask, would you buy my hibernation theory?
Huh? King Kong was supposed to be in Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster? Explain. heyo

Hibernation could actually be the case. It would certainly explain why people always seem so surprised when he makes his first appearance in any given movie - as if he hasn't been sighted in a while.
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Huh? King Kong was supposed to be in Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster? Explain
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If Godzilla acts a little schizophrenic in Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster, it's because the script was originally intended to be a King Kong movie; Robinson Crusoe Adventure: King Kong vs. Ebirah. This film was intended to tie in with the Rankin-Bass' cartoon series about the mighty ape. Either Toho could not secure the rights for King Kong at this time, or Rankin-Bass (creators of Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer and other charming Christmas animated specials) were not enthusiastic about the project. Whatever the reason, Toho salvaged the script by substituting King Kong with Godzilla (Toho and Rankin-Bass would ultimately collaborate on King Kong Escapes). This explains why in the finished film Godzilla acts much like Kong. Many of Godzilla's actions in the movie, such as expressing affection for Dayo (Kumi Mizuno), sitting down to take an afternoon nap, defending himself from a jet attack by grabbing the jets out of the air (albeit he also incinerates the jets with his nuclear breath), and even jumping into the ocean at the finale are all actions that are much more characteristic of King Kong


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Huh? King Kong was supposed to be in Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster? Explain
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If Godzilla acts a little schizophrenic in Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster, it's because the script was originally intended to be a King Kong movie; Robinson Crusoe Adventure: King Kong vs. Ebirah. This film was intended to tie in with the Rankin-Bass' cartoon series about the mighty ape. Either Toho could not secure the rights for King Kong at this time, or Rankin-Bass (creators of Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer and other charming Christmas animated specials) were not enthusiastic about the project. Whatever the reason, Toho salvaged the script by substituting King Kong with Godzilla (Toho and Rankin-Bass would ultimately collaborate on King Kong Escapes). This explains why in the finished film Godzilla acts much like Kong. Many of Godzilla's actions in the movie, such as expressing affection for Dayo (Kumi Mizuno), sitting down to take an afternoon nap, defending himself from a jet attack by grabbing the jets out of the air (albeit he also incinerates the jets with his nuclear breath), and even jumping into the ocean at the finale are all actions that are much more characteristic of King Kong


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Huh... I guess I never noticed the similarities before. I always just thought it was Showa campiness at its finest...
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Like I ask, would you buy my hibernation theory?
Russ, I think it entirely possible that Godzilla could and even did hibernate. These long, uninterrupted sleeps are in fact hibernation aren't they? Godzy
I believe so. He's had a few of these hibernations in the Showa series after freeing himself from that iceberg. One between KKvsG and Mothra vs. Godzilla, then between MvsG and Ghidorah, the Three Headed Monster, then between GTTHM and Invasion of Astro Monster when he was submerged at the bottom of Lake Miyojin, then I guess you can include Sea Monster. These battles when he's tossed back into the sea must take a lot of him. Lol.

I believe he and Minya were even beginning to hibernate at the end of Son of Godzilla, although this time, it was in the snow on that island.
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Any hope of this film being released on Blu-Ray in the States finally? I was going through my collection today and there are so many titles I don't have on Blu-Ray yet
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Any hope of this film being released on Blu-Ray in the States finally?
I guess there's always hope, Trent but I haven't seen anything on the internet about a North American BD release for Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964). Besides the various DVD releases(Toho R2, now OOP Simitar R1 and the Classic Media R1), the only Blu Ray release I know of is the Toho Blu Ray which is sold at CDJapan and YesAsia for between $40-$50 excluding shipping.

I would immediately purchase any North American BD release for this movie when it became available. Hopefully we'll see such a BD release sooner than later. winky
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Any hope of this film being released on Blu-Ray in the States finally?
I guess there's always hope, Trent but I haven't seen anything on the internet about a North American BD release for Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964). Besides the various DVD releases(Toho R2, now OOP Simitar R1 and the Classic Media R1), the only Blu Ray release I know of is the Toho Blu Ray which is sold at CDJapan and YesAsia for between $40-$50 excluding shipping.

I would immediately purchase any North American BD release for this movie when it became available. Hopefully we'll see such a BD release sooner than later. winky
It would be nice if North America could get a high quality Blu-Ray release of all the movies like Japan did a few years ago. Maybe one day right?
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Continuing on our adventure through the Godzilla series as my friend watches it with me for the first time, we come to this, my favorite outing of the Showa era. I warned him that after the first fight, he might have strong feels.

As usual he got really into the melody from Ifukube's score and started recognizing Toho veterans. His reactions were pretty minimal during the movie, but it was also after midnight and he'd worked all day. Afterwards though, I could tell he really enjoyed it. He asked when King Ghidorah would appear in a movie and I told him he didn't have long to wait.

Now having watched the original Mothra and Rodan the last time we met, and I guess he didn't realize that this movie would be connected as far as to have the twin faries. It was fun to see the surprise in his face as the twin larvae hatched.

One odd thing I found was how he laughed when the Mothra larva bit Godzilla's tail and started thrashing about.
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