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King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962); Discuss the film here.
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Feb 6 2008, 05:39 PM
My opinion on the winner: Neither.

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Not sure what you mean by this? By "neither" you mean you are neutral on the outcome of the battle?
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Not sure what you mean by this? By "neither" you mean you are neutral on the outcome of the battle?


Im saying Neither Kong nor Godzilla are the winner IMO.
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Im saying Neither Kong nor Godzilla are the winner IMO

I see. What do you base that opinion on, that is why do you think it was a tie? heyo
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I see. What do you base that opinion on, that is why do you think it was a tie?  heyo


I base the opinion on what I saw in the film, that Godzilla won the first round and King Kong won the second, IMO both have one wins each.
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Feb 9 2008, 05:21 AM
I base the opinion on what I saw in the film, that Godzilla won the first round and King Kong won the second, IMO both have one wins each.

And I base my opinion that King Kong won on this: he surfaced at the end of the 1962 movie and Godzilla did not. shiftyeyes

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The fact that Kong surfaced at the end of the film and Godzilla didn't gave most people the impression Kong had won, and according to Toho, I'm told that is exactly correct; Kong officially won. As a kid though, I had always just assumed that since Godzilla came from under water, it would be more natural for him to stay under as opposed to Kong who would need to swim back to land. At that time as a child, I was never sure what Kong did. I figured he could have drowned Godzilla or maybe Godzilla just swam off too deep for Kong. Whatever happened though; Godzilla did come back, made apparent by 20 some sequels later. cross-eyed
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Feb 10 2008, 05:40 PM
The fact that Kong surfaced at the end of the film and Godzilla didn't gave most people the impression Kong had won, and according to Toho, I'm told that is exactly correct; Kong officially won

The various and continuing message board debates about who really won this battle are amusing at times but mostly, for me, a little perplexing. Why do I say that? Keith Aiken, who regularly posts at the majority of kaiju themed boards under the username "kpa", has used the debate as an informal forum of sorts, in explaining why this movie's final battle played out as it did, and why King Kong was portrayed as the "good guy", of sorts, and Godzilla was played as the "heavy" in the 1962 film. It's no secret that King Kong inspired Tomoyuki Tanaka to create the Godzilla character. Eiji Tsuburaya was, by his own admission, a great fan of the 1933 RKO King Kong film. Out of respect for the huge ape Toho decided to make KK the victor in King Kong Vs Godzilla-note that in the movie's title Kong's name is first. In 1962, King Kong was a more popular and recognizable cinematic movie monster than Godzilla, worldwide, as well. These things, above all else, are why Kong surfaced at the end, and not Godzilla. I'm fairly certain that Godzilla's not surfacing was also a convenient means by which Toho could leave open the possibility of Godzilla returning in more films...which he did two years later in Mothra Vs Godzilla, one of gojiramatthew's favorite G films by the way... ....(just kidding Matthew tongue-1 )
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in the movie at the end it should have godzilla pop out of the water while kong is in the distance that would have been a cool sequence I think Godzilla blast
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Feb 14 2008, 12:17 AM
in the movie at the end it should have godzilla pop out of the water while kong is in the distance that would have been a cool sequence I think

I would also have preferred to see Godzilla surface as well, instead of remaining unseen while Kong swims away.
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This was a decent film and the highest grossing Godzilla films to date but at the same time it wasn't one of the favourites as it started off incredibly one sided only to make Kong have a chance against the Godzilla they makes Godzilla suddenly weak against electricity and Kong gains his lightning touch....in terms on suspending disbelief it's a pretty big leap of faith even fore Godzilla but if you can do it the film is definitely worth it.....not one of my favs but it's good enough to not be one of the series's black sheep and still makes for great popcorn entertainment.
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Mar 25 2008, 08:31 AM
... as it started off incredibly one sided only to make Kong have a chance against the Godzilla they make Godzilla suddenly weak against electricity and Kong gains his lightning touch...

To give Kong a realistic chance of challenging Godzilla in this film Toho opted for the 'electricity" angle in the storyline. It does seem a little hard to imagine that Godzilla, a monster that can spew an intensely hot, radioactive beam from his mouth, would shy away from electricity. I did like how King Kong's face glowed and his hands crackled with electricity when he grabbed Godzilla's tail during their Mt. Fuji battle.
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I did like the films even though it games in logic were massive to say the least....even for a Godzilla film. I have to say I'm glad the didn't make another Godzilla vs King Kong in the 90's because by that point Godzilla was so powerful that if they tried to pull off another fight with Kong it would have made even less sense....I think it's good it stayed one of King Kong's first fights.
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Mar 25 2008, 07:15 PM
I have to say I'm glad the didn't make another Godzilla vs King Kong in the 90's because by that point Godzilla was so powerful that if they tried to pull off another fight with Kong it would have made even less sense...

By 1991 Godzilla had reached 100 meters in height(from 80 meters in the 1984 and 1989 Heisei G films), which is 333 feet tall. It's hard for me to imagine that Toho would have ramped King Kong up to a comparable height-seeing Kong at 45 meters in KK Vs G was far fetched enough for me, thank you very much.
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Yes.....King Kong's hight is another one of the leaps of faith you have to make for this film but as I said....in this case it worked inf you made the jump and proved to make a good monster smackdown...it's just pitting Kong against 90's Godzilla would be one of the most one sided fights in Godzilla history.
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Though I watch King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962) much less often now than I used to, my likes and dislikes regarding this movie have never really changed.

Likes:

  • the "Kinggoji" suit-alligator like head, bulky legs, beady eyes and prominent hands
  • -the serio-comic banter between 'Crazy Cats" series vets Tadao Takashima and Yu Fuyiki, with a dash of Ichiro Arishima thrown in
  • the final Mt. Fuji battle and some of the close in fighting tactics used by both leviathans
  • Godzilla's entrance scene as he erupts out of the iceberg
Dislikes:

  • -the lack of high speed filming during many of the monster's action sequences
  • -the Kong suit, which looked absolutely atrocious
  • the second set of elongated arms used with the Kong suit:they looked awkward and unsightly
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I always like to think that Godzilla drove Kong the hell off of "His turf". Kong didn't stand a realistic chance in that battle. If you get a chance to see the Japanese version of this movie, it also has the first appearence of the "terror of Godzilla" theme that is so well remembered from almost of the Godzilla movies to follow.
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Mar 26 2008, 12:14 AM
I always like to think that Godzilla drove Kong the hell off of "His turf". Kong didn't stand a realistic chance in that battle

There's no doubt that Godzilla got the better of King Kong in their first encounter, much to the chagrin of Mr. Tako. I wish, as Kong retreated back into the woodlands, that Toho's Eiji Tsuburaya could have thought up a better effect for a confused(and burnt) Kong than simply for the Kong suit actor(Solomon Hirose) to simply scratch the top of his head.
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I always wanted to see Godzilla set King Kong on fire. Like a full blaze. Is that sick? lol
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Mar 29 2008, 01:04 AM
I always wanted to see Godzilla set King Kong on fire. Like a full blaze

He probably would have. Recall that in the final(Mt. Fuji) battle Godzilla had put King Kong down and had repeatedly battered Kong upside the head with his tail, then set the woods on fire around the big ape. Had there not been a conveniently timed electrical storm around to provide some lightning strikes to Kong one could argue that Kong would have been roasted, literally.
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Mar 29 2008, 12:04 AM
I always wanted to see Godzilla set King Kong on fire. Like a full blaze. Is that sick? lol

No it's not sick.....when I watched this film I thought to myself that King Kong's moth eaten suit looks like it would set alight real good and very good for roasting marshmallows over Kong's flaming corpse......Okay I never thought of the Marshmallow thing till just now but I found myself rooting for Godzilla the whole time and found it rather hard to believe that Kong could ever beat Godzilla.
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Apr 13 2008, 05:24 AM
... and found it rather hard to believe that Kong could ever beat Godzilla.

For the longest time I found it rather hard to believe that the opponent of Godzilla in this film was King Kong, based on the atrocious looking suit used. As I've mentioned previously, Shoichi "Solomon" Hirose, a strong and burly fellow who wore the Kong suit, did IMO a good job of portraying the giant gorilla. The problem: to me the suit makes Kong look more like a 150 foot tall sasquatch than a primate.
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Apr 13 2008, 09:15 AM
For the longest time I found it rather hard to believe that the opponent of Godzilla in this film was King Kong, based on the atrocious looking suit used. As I've mentioned previously, Shoichi "Solomon" Hirose, a strong and burly fellow who wore the Kong suit, did IMO a good job of portraying the giant gorilla. The problem: to me the suit makes Kong look more like a 150 foot tall sasquatch than a primate.

While I agree the effects in this film left something to be desired, it was sure enough a money maker which allowed for improved effects in later films like Mothra vs Godzilla and Ghidorah the Three headed Monster.....though it's seems Toho had alot of trouble getting Kong looking rights because his also somewhat of an eye sore in King Kong Escapes
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Apr 13 2008, 03:09 PM
...though it's seems Toho had alot of trouble getting Kong looking rights because his also somewhat of an eye sore in King Kong Escapes

If memory serves me right I read somewhere that Eiji Tsuburaya wanted King Kong to look less menacing for King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962), presumably because Godzilla was the "heavy" in this film. I believe there was at least one other Kong suit ready to be used, and which obviously wasn't, because it made King Kong look too malevolent.
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Apr 13 2008, 02:14 PM
If memory serves me right I read somewhere that Eiji Tsuburaya wanted King Kong to look less menacing for King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962), presumably because Godzilla was the "heavy" in this film. I believe there was at least one other Kong suit ready to be used, and which obviously wasn't, because it made King Kong look too malevolent.

Well he didn't look as menacing as Godzilla I'll agree with that but at the same time I think King Kong just plain looked ugly. With as stiff seemingly unmovable face. Also it kinda looked like the face was made out of paper mache resulting in him looking very cheaply made.
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Apr 13 2008, 03:20 PM
Well he didn't look as menacing as Godzilla I'll agree with that but at the same time I think King Kong just plain looked ugly

To me the worst aspects of the Kong suit in the 1962 film are:

-the elongated arms, an additional prop, that were used in certain shots of King Kong. These arms looked ridiculously long.

-the lack of a "neck", if you will, for the Kong suit. Granted, Kong is supposed to be a hulking and brutish creature but the neckless look of the suit gave Kong, IMO, an almost Quasimodo like quality.

-the face, which looked cheap and worn looking.
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To me the worst aspects of the Kong suit in the 1962 film are:

-the elongated arms, an additional prop, that were used in certain shots of King Kong. These arms looked ridiculously long.

-the lack of a "neck", if you will, for the Kong suit. Granted, Kong is supposed to be a hulking and brutish creature but the neckless look of the suit gave Kong, IMO, an almost Quasimodo like quality.

-the face, which looked cheap and worn looking.

Yeah that would be pretty much the problems I had.....though I think the whole suit and a rather old and worn look to it....I think that the term moth eaten describes it best.....or is it Mothra eaten....okay that joke is awful.
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One of the more famous stills from the making of this movie involves "Solomon" Hirose, still wearing the Kong suit, explaining to Eiji Tsuburaya, who is standing next to him, that it is impossible to smash the building prop. This is from the scene where Kong, wandering around Tokyo for the first time, walks up to the "building" and smashes the corner of it to pieces with a downward strike. Obviously Hirose eventually managed to blast the corner of this prop apart.
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The movie itself is very fun to watch. My only real problems with it are:

1: As everyone else says, Kong just looks ridiculously ugly.
2: Kong, electrical powers... doesn't really fit the guy, does it?

Other than that, the movie is great. There is one detail, though, I'd like to point out. Kong's said to have brutish strength, yet Godzilla easily smacked him around and knocked him out. Heck, in that brief stop-motion sequence, he kicked Kong flying! The only thing that makes Kong appear strong is a tackle towards the end of the fight.

On a side note, this cover from the Marvel Comics Godzilla series really reminds me of this movie.

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May 6 2008, 04:20 PM
On a side note, this cover from the Marvel Comics Godzilla series really reminds me of this movie

Indeed. That said I still am glad Toho opted for Godzilla vs Kong, and not Godzilla vs a giant yeti.

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There is one detail, though, I'd like to point out. Kong's said to have brutish strength, yet Godzilla easily smacked him around and knocked him out. Heck, in that brief stop-motion sequence, he kicked Kong flying! The only thing that makes Kong appear strong is a tackle towards the end of the fight
Perhaps Kong was still hung over from all that berry juice he drank, Kex. Or maybe he wasn't hung over at all...because he was still drunk. tongue-1
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Perhaps Kong was still hung over from all that berry juice he drank, Kex. Or maybe he wasn't hung over at all...because he was still drunk. tongue-1

I think that'd make him slightly more confused. What he was is weak. Seriously. I can't see why people call him brutish. He looks like he'd be strong, yes, but study the fights and you see what I mean.
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