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King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962); Discuss the film here.
Topic Started: Feb 9 2006, 09:15 PM (8,770 Views)
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Can you imagine how bad that Kong Suit stunk after filming?
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Jun 19 2008, 10:41 PM
Can you imagine how bad that Kong Suit stunk after filming?
I would imagine the Kingoji suit probably smelled as bad. shifty eyes2

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Thanks! I always wondered what a remake of this film would be like.
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Jun 20 2008, 05:34 PM
I always wondered what a remake of this film would be like
From everything I've seen posted on the internet a remake of King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962) will probably never happen. I have often asked myself: would general fans of sci-fi(and even horror) be receptive to a film pitting these two legendary movie monsters against each other? I'm sure fans of giant monster movies would be(including myself). Even if Universal, which holds the rights to King Kong, were receptive, along with Toho and it's "star", to a co-production in which the revenue from such a remake were split equally between them, would both studios be convinced the film would have a market? My answer is "yes", I think such a market exists but obviously I'm no expert.

Were a remake to take place I would prefer both monsters sized to 50 meters(or around that size) and with King Kong able to capitalize on electricity much as he did back in the '62 film.
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See, I don't think such an outlandish story with king kong winning because of lightning wouldn't work. Then, getting Universal to let Toho "Kill" King Kong would br tough.
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Jun 23 2008, 08:03 PM
See, I don't think such an outlandish story with king kong winning because of lightning wouldn't work. Then, getting Universal to let Toho "Kill" King Kong would br tough.
I'm in general agreement with you here pal. The only reason I suggested Kong would have to rely on being amped up by lightning(again) is because the alternative is even more preposterous: Kong with an oral beam of his own. tongue-1

To me, a remake that might be more entertaining and plausible, IMO, is one of King Kong Escapes. A sixty foot tall Kong fighting his robot duplicate with updated special effects. Casting might be interesting for this one as well: I would love to see Jessica Biel as Lt. Susan Watson, some young hotshot Toho actor could play Jiro Nomura, and someone like Scott Bakula could play Carl Nelson. And who would portray the "international Judas", Dr. Who? Cary Hiroyuki Tagawa. shreek
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I was watching an episode of, M*A*S*H, yesterday afternoon and in the episode, Hawkeye and Trapper are wearing gorilla suits and they kind of remind of of the 'Kong' suit in, King Kong vs Godzilla. Anyone know the episode I', referring to and if so, do you see the similarities? Mr. Green
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Jun 24 2008, 07:58 AM
I was watching an episode of, M*A*S*H, yesterday afternoon and in the episode, Hawkeye and Trapper are wearing gorilla suits and they kind of remind of of the 'Kong' suit in, King Kong vs Godzilla. Anyone know the episode I', referring to and if so, do you see the similarities?
According to TVLand.com that's episode #44 from Season Two, called "As You Were", that originally aired on February 2, 1974. I couldn't find any images.
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I think I have that episode on DVD, if I do and if I can manage a screen grab, I'll post it here, of that's OK, Lee.
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... if I do and if I can manage a screen grab, I'll post it here, of that's OK, Lee.
Please do. mildsmile
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Not sure how well either came out, but here's a couple photos from that episode:

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Mr. Green Might have been the mood I was in when I re-watched this, recently, but that was my first thought.
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King Kong Vs Godzilla(1963)(the American version) - Revisited

As I do now on Sunday afternoons, and evenings, I make time to sit down and watch one, sometimes two DVDs of old favorites. Tonight's viewing was a movie which was actually the first film I purchased on DVD: King Kong Vs Godzilla, which I bought back in December, 1999 on Goodtimes Home Video. The Americanized version of this 1962 Toho classic, which aired in American theaters in 1963 courtesy of John Beck, was re-released by Universal in late 2005, and this time in its original widescreen(2:35.1) aspect ratio, one reason why I bought it immediately when it "streeted"(paired with 1967's King Kong Escapes).

While I greatly prefer to watch the original Japanese(Toho) version of this movie, with English subtitles, and uncut, I also harbor a lingering fondness for the American version as well. Some observations, again some familiar to read and perhaps some that aren't:

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-the Godzilla suit, commonly referred to as the "Kingoji" suit: possessing a more reptilian quality, with prominent hands, bulky legs and tail, and Godzilla's eyes placed on top of the head, the latter giving an alligator-like quality to the head, I've always liked this incarnation of Godzilla, which fits the role of the monster as the "heavy" in this film quite well.

-Godzilla's entrance from the iceberg and immediate attack on the Arctic base: the entrance scene was fairly well rendered and the attack on the base quickly establishes that Godzilla, perhaps from his extended internment in the iceberg, is not in the best of moods.

-the comic relief in this film: usually I prefer this in more moderation but the antics of Mr. Tako(Ichiro Arashima) and his two employees(Tadao Takashima and Yu Fujiki) are amusing without ever really growing tiresome, especially those of Mr. Tako, a man clearly obsessed with his job and seemingly always on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Another aspect of my amusement is the absolutely colossal ineptitude of the UN submarine Seahawk captain, who mumbles in confusion at the mention of the Cherenkov light, then adds more misery to his crew's(and the scientists) plight by allowing his sub to plow into the submerged side of an iceberg. As buffoons go this guy has got to be the biggest I've ever seen in any kaiju film.

-Harry Holcombe: I liked his calm, grandfatherly, down to Earth demeanor and mannerisms, despite the fact his analysis of Godzilla, based on a children's book about dinosaurs, was absolutely preposterous.

-the miniatures: despite what I think are very uneven special effects in this film the miniatures always seemed to look fairly detailed.

-the final battle at Mt. Fuji: despite the many effects related shortcomings in the final battle between King Kong and Godzilla there's certainly no lacking for action. The two leviathans mix it up with great exuberance, throwing each other around, hurling large boulders at each other and generally blasting each other with head and arm strikes. My favorite maneuver was Kong shoulder blocking Godzilla, who fell over backwards, and also when the giant ape jammed the tree into Godzilla's mouth.

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-the lack of high speed filming. Had there been more I think it would have added some degree of realism to the battle sequences, if nothing else.

-Kong's stroll into the city: I would have liked to have seen Kong take out his frustrations here a little more, demolishing a few buildings, or even more than a few.

-the Kong suit, which has been widely blasted by kaiju fans and non-fans alike: disregarding for the moment the use of the extended length arms the suit looked, IMO atrocious, and made King Kong look less gorilla and more like the offspring of a sasquatch and Quasimodo. The suit appeared to have little or no neck. Give credit to Kong suit actor Solomon Hirose who did a good job in this suit, I think.

I could go on with a few other gripes but I won't.

The American version of King Kong Vs Godzilla will always hold a special place in my mind and heart and is, like so many other old favorites of mine, best enjoyed in moderation.
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I just didn't like the replacement of the score in the film. You are watching the movie and you are hearing the theme from The Creature from the Black Lagoon. This was the first movie to have "The Terror of Godzilla" theme or better known as Godzilla's theme. But you didn't get that in the American Version. This is a Movie that really needs a Japanese version and American Version dvd treatment with audio commentary
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I just watched the Japanese version of King Kong vs. Godzilla for the first time. The American version was one of my favorite Godzilla movies as a kid. So it holds a lot of nostalgia for me. But the Japanese version is still superior. The movie was quite a lot of fun really. The satire and the character comedy is pretty hilarious at times. Overall I think it's one of the better Godzilla movies. The Japanese version is like a totally different movie! There's a whole lot in there with the characters that I'd never seen before.
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Jul 15 2008, 08:27 PM
I just watched the Japanese version of King Kong vs. Godzilla for the first time
With or without English subtitles?
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Jul 15 2008, 08:27 PM
I just watched the Japanese version of King Kong vs. Godzilla for the first time
With or without English subtitles?
With English subs. I was surprised to see how different, and better, some of the dialog was than the American version.
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Jul 16 2008, 12:33 PM
I was surprised to see how different, and better, some of the dialog was than the American version
I remember feeling similarly after watching the uncut, letterboxed and English subtitled version of KK Vs Godzilla on VHS back in 1997.

I have a great fondness, for purely sentimental reasons, for the American version of this film but I can say without hesitation that I enjoy the Toho version a heckuva lot more. I'm a "purist", when it comes to Toho kaiju and sci-fi films: I always prefer to watch them in their original aspect ratio and uncut.
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Oh, I agree. I too hold a lot of sentimental value for the American cut. But as usual, the original version is better. It is criminal that not all of the Godzilla series is available on DVD in both versions here in America.
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Oh, I agree. I too hold a lot of sentimental value for the American cut. But as usual, the original version is better. It is criminal that not all of the Godzilla series is available on DVD in both versions here in America.
I second that. I love the orignal versions in their Toho Scope Glory! But some of the english dubbel versions have a special place in my heart, too. Ghidrah: The Three Headed Monster being one.
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I have still never seen the Japanese version of this film. There were huge differences with most of the other films so I'm guessing this will be no different. At this point I honestly just don't want to spend the money on importing this film, but I hope it makes it to American shores at some point so I can replace my two-pack KK escapes/KK vs. G version.
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Jul 17 2008, 08:15 PM
I have still never seen the Japanese version of this film
Josh I can provide you with two DVD-R vendors, by PM, who'll sell you this film on Region 0 disc in it's original aspect ratio, uncut and with English subtitles, for around $20(including shipping). winky
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I have still never seen the Japanese version of this film
Josh I can provide you with two DVD-R vendors, by PM, who'll sell you this film on Region 0 disc in it's original aspect ratio, uncut and with English subtitles, for around $20(including shipping). winky
Ok thanks. At that price I may pick up a copy sometime in the future.
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the godzilla suit is probably my favorite.
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the godzilla suit is probably my favorite
The "Kingoji" suit is also my favorite Godzilla suit. winky
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Well seeing that this thread has been updated, it's reminded me of the film. I'll still maintain that the Japanese version is superior, but more so than most Godzilla movies, I think there's a lot to be said for the American version of this one. Normally I prefer Ifukube's score, but it kind of feels plodding in this one. The Creature From the Black Lagoon music and the other Universal stock music really ups the excitement level of the film.

Still, there's so many extra scenes in the Japanese version. They really add to the film and make me see it in a different way.
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This is one of those Godzilla films that I use to love as a kid but now I can barely watch. The movie just moves to slow for me but I the battles between Godzilla and King Kong were definitely memorable. I have to agree, I like the Japanese version a lot more than the American version.
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now let's get down to my reveiw of the film. as i've mentioned. the godzilla suit in here is my favorite. kong may have looked his worsted. now i must say this, it;s an extremly cheesy film! but thats proprobly the funnest part. music is amazing, i just so happen to have seen the japan version, and ifukubes great music is the only music not some stock music from creature from the black lagoon! the japan version just features a godzilla roar at the end, not him winning. witch is amazingly disapointing! gojira looses. srry for the spoiler. but an excellent addition to the series.
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the japan version just features a godzilla roar at the end, not him winning. witch is amazingly disappointing! gojira loses
In the original Toho version of King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962), both Kong and Godzilla roars are audible at the film's end, Toho intending these roars to be the monster's farewells to theater audiences watching the film. winky

As for Godzilla "not winning", bear in mind that when plans for this film were made King Kong was already a "star" and widely recognized around the world, the result of the immensely popular 1933 RKO film King Kong.

Godzilla's popularity was primarily limited to Japan. King Kong Vs Godzilla was originally intended to be a movie in which Kong battled a giant(20 foot tall) Frankenstein monster. From Wikipedia:

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The film had its roots in an earlier concept for a new King Kong feature developed by Willis O'Brien, animator of the original stop-motion Kong. In 1960, O'Brien came up with a proposed treatment, King Kong vs. Frankenstein, where Kong would fight against a giant version of Frankenstein's monster in San Francisco.[1] O'Brien took the project (which consisted of some concept art and a screenplay treatment) to RKO to secure permission to use the King Kong character. During this time the story was renamed King Kong vs. the Ginko when it was believed that Universal had the rights to the Frankenstein name (they actually only had the rights to the monster's makeup design). O'Brien was introduced to producer John Beck who promised to find a studio to make the film (at this point in time RKO was no longer a production company). Beck took the story treatment and had George Worthing Yates flesh it out into a screenplay. The story was slightly altered and the title changed to King Kong vs. Prometheus, returning the name to the original Frankenstein concept (The Modern Prometheus was the alternate name of Frankenstein in the original novel). Unfortunately, the cost of stop animation discouraged potential studios from putting the film into production. After shopping the script around overseas, Beck would eventually attract the interest of the Japanese studio Toho. Toho had long wanted to make a King Kong film and decided to replace the Frankenstein creature with their own monster Godzilla. They thought it would be the perfect way to celebrate their thirtieth year in production. [2] John Beck's dealings with Willis O'Brien's project were done behind his back, and O'Brien was never credited for his idea [3]. In 1963, Merian C. Cooper attempted to sue John Beck claiming that he outright owned the King Kong character, but the lawsuit never went through as it turned out he was not Kong's sole legal owner as he had previously believed.


Out of respect for the character King Kong, Toho made Kong the protagonist or "good guy" in KK VS G, while Godzilla was portrayed as the antagonist. The ending, in which both monsters fall into the sea, Kong reaching the surface and swimming away and Godzilla nowhere to be seen, has been debated ad nauseam at many internet message boards, regarding which monster "won" and which one "lost".

To me Kong won because he surfaced and Godzilla didn't. Of course one could argue that Godzilla simply swam away under the surface of the ocean. I'm inclined to think Godzilla was knocked out from the impact into the sea with Kong and drifted away while submerged. Not a convincing victory for Kong but a victory nonetheless.

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