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King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962); Discuss the film here.
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the japan version just features a godzilla roar at the end, not him winning. witch is amazingly disappointing! gojira loses
In the original Toho version of King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962), both Kong and Godzilla roars are audible at the film's end, Toho intending these roars to be the monster's farewells to theater audiences watching the film. winky

As for Godzilla "not winning", bear in mind that when plans for this film were made King Kong was already a "star" and widely recognized around the world, the result of the immensely popular 1933 RKO film King Kong.

Godzilla's popularity was primarily limited to Japan. King Kong Vs Godzilla was originally intended to be a movie in which Kong battled a giant(20 foot tall) Frankenstein monster. From Wikipedia:

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The film had its roots in an earlier concept for a new King Kong feature developed by Willis O'Brien, animator of the original stop-motion Kong. In 1960, O'Brien came up with a proposed treatment, King Kong vs. Frankenstein, where Kong would fight against a giant version of Frankenstein's monster in San Francisco.[1] O'Brien took the project (which consisted of some concept art and a screenplay treatment) to RKO to secure permission to use the King Kong character. During this time the story was renamed King Kong vs. the Ginko when it was believed that Universal had the rights to the Frankenstein name (they actually only had the rights to the monster's makeup design). O'Brien was introduced to producer John Beck who promised to find a studio to make the film (at this point in time RKO was no longer a production company). Beck took the story treatment and had George Worthing Yates flesh it out into a screenplay. The story was slightly altered and the title changed to King Kong vs. Prometheus, returning the name to the original Frankenstein concept (The Modern Prometheus was the alternate name of Frankenstein in the original novel). Unfortunately, the cost of stop animation discouraged potential studios from putting the film into production. After shopping the script around overseas, Beck would eventually attract the interest of the Japanese studio Toho. Toho had long wanted to make a King Kong film and decided to replace the Frankenstein creature with their own monster Godzilla. They thought it would be the perfect way to celebrate their thirtieth year in production. [2] John Beck's dealings with Willis O'Brien's project were done behind his back, and O'Brien was never credited for his idea [3]. In 1963, Merian C. Cooper attempted to sue John Beck claiming that he outright owned the King Kong character, but the lawsuit never went through as it turned out he was not Kong's sole legal owner as he had previously believed.


Out of respect for the character King Kong, Toho made Kong the protagonist or "good guy" in KK VS G, while Godzilla was portrayed as the antagonist. The ending, in which both monsters fall into the sea, Kong reaching the surface and swimming away and Godzilla nowhere to be seen, has been debated ad nauseam at many internet message boards, regarding which monster "won" and which one "lost".

To me Kong won because he surfaced and Godzilla didn't. Of course one could argue that Godzilla simply swam away under the surface of the ocean. I'm inclined to think Godzilla was knocked out from the impact into the sea with Kong and drifted away while submerged. Not a convincing victory for Kong but a victory nonetheless.

yah i heard that kong was even more popular than godzilla in that time period. and godzilla was always the antagonist at this point, they where only giving fans what they wanted. so it's only natural kong would win, since it's 1962, and kong surfaces, then there was givin no thought, basically kong one, thats that. goji didn't die, just lost.
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^Your logic in that last paragraph is kinda flawed. If Goji was knocked out underwater, then how did he get to a flat piece of land underground in Mothra vs. Godzilla? He was knocked out and was at the edge of a cliff, not flat land. Not to mention not even being in the same coast as he was in this film. He swam away and got to a place which he thought would have been safe - underground. This would establish that Goji had the ability to bourough, something he would not use again till the 1974 film...
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^Your logic in that last paragraph is kinda flawed. If Goji was knocked out underwater, then how did he get to a flat piece of land underground in Mothra vs. Godzilla?
In Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964), Hurricane(or Typhoon) "Abe" would have washed an unconscious Godzilla ashore, the monster buried under the sand at Korata(spelling ?) Beach. Typhoons are generally more powerful than hurricanes, commonly generating winds up to and exceeding 200 MPH. The inland storm surges from typhoons are often catastrophic, with waves surging inland that can range between 25-40 feet in height. A typhoon would be capable of moving an unconscious Godzilla ashore and depositing the monster under tons of silt and sand. Recall Evan that it was here at this beach that Godzilla would erupt up out of the sand shortly after the area had been drained of seawater.

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^Your logic in that last paragraph is kinda flawed. If Goji was knocked out underwater, then how did he get to a flat piece of land underground in Mothra vs. Godzilla?
In Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964), Hurricane(or Typhoon) "Abe" would have washed an unconscious Godzilla ashore, the monster buried under the sand at Korata(spelling ?) Beach. Typhoons are generally more powerful than hurricanes, commonly generating winds up to and exceeding 200 MPH. The inland storm surges from typhoons are often catastrophic, with waves surging inland that can range between 25-40 feet in height. A typhoon would be capable of moving an unconscious Godzilla ashore and depositing the monster under tons of silt and sand. Recall Evan that it was here at this beach that Godzilla would erupt up out of the sand shortly after the area had been drained of seawater.

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well i think he woke up, swam off and the typhoon thing happened. seems plausable.
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Feb 28 2009, 04:33 PM
well i think he woke up, swam off and the typhoon thing happened. seems plausible
Indeed: "plausible" and not "flawed"...right Evan? topper
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It's plausable, but I don't buy it. I dobt that Goji would be knoked out for two years. Every other time he had been k.o.ed he got up almost a day or so afterward. Like, for an example again, Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla '74. He was k.o.ed so bad that "the rivers ran red" so to speak and yet he managed to get up.

Plausable, yes. Buyable, not my be...
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It's plausable, but I don't buy it. I dobt that Goji would be knoked out for two years. Every other time he had been k.o.ed he got up almost a day or so afterward. Like, for an example again, Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla '74. He was k.o.ed so bad that "the rivers ran red" so to speak and yet he managed to get up.

Plausable, yes. Buyable, not my be...
this same thing happened in godzilla vs monster zero. after word, he swam to an island, thus putting us in godzilla vs the sea monster. so it's buyible, he was knocked out for a real long time. not a day!
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not a day!
I know that. When I said that, I was refering to Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla '74, which I was using as an example.

Either way, both Packmule's point and mine are buyable, I am just not buying Packmules. I am not denying it. I just don't buy it...
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not a day!
I know that. When I said that, I was refering to Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla '74, which I was using as an example.

Either way, both Packmule's point and mine are buyable, I am just not buying Packmules. I am not denying it. I just don't buy it...
fine fine fine, ok with me.
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A new print of the American version of King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962), made by Universal, will be shown at the Colonial Theater in Keene, New Hampshire on April 24, 2009 at 7 PM: http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/30829/king-kong-vs-godzilla-rare-print-storming-nh

For ticket info click the link: http://thecolonial.tix.com/Event.asp?Event=179904
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A new print of the American version of King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962), made by Universal, will be shown at the Colonial Theater in Keene, New Hampshire on April 24, 2009 at 7 PM: http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/30829/king-kong-vs-godzilla-rare-print-storming-nh

For ticket info click the link: http://thecolonial.tix.com/Event.asp?Event=179904
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In a way, yes. It basicaly means that a new, clean version of the film has been made. So it should look beter than the DVD almost...
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Sadely that place, is yet again, too far.....
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Here's more detailed info on this screening at Sci-Fi Japan: http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2009/03/10/35mm-screening-of-king-kong-vs-godzilla-in-new-hampshire-april-24/
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^Just like what I said...

When I interviewed Shane Morton, he had interest in showing this film at the Plaza Theatre. With this new print, it may come sooner than we think - maybe July...
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King Kong Vs Godzilla looks funny like they are discussing like i will sit no I will

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http://www.dvddrive-in.com/features/spooktacularapril09.htm
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God, I hope that after this the Plaza Theater shows this film. GMK was a blast and it would be fun to see KK vs. G on the big screen, since I have not seen it officialy.
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Ken Hulsey of Robo Japan takes a look back at King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962): http://robojapan.blogspot.com/2009/03/king-kong-vs-godzilla-1962toho.html
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King Kong vs. Godzilla (キングコング対ゴジラ ,Kingu Kongu Tai Gojira?) is a 1962 tokusatsu kaiju film directed by Ishiro Honda with visual effects by Eiji Tsuburaya. It was the third installment in the Japanese series of monster films featuring the mutant dinosaur Godzilla. It is also the first time both King Kong and Godzilla appeared in color.
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Yep, that sounds about right.
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king kong vs godzilla II how is that sounds
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king kong vs godzilla II how is that sounds
I don't understand what you're saying here. This doesn't make any sense. Be more specific with what you're saying. Longer sentences, batrus. winky
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A thing I cannot seem to wrap my head around is that this film is still popular against how bad it is...
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A thing I cannot seem to wrap my head around is that this film is still popular against how bad it is...
Describing KK vs Godzilla as "bad" is obviously your prerogative, Evan. I will be the first to admit that there are several things about this film I detest: the Kong suit, which IMO looked terrible. The kaiju battle action also lacked in high speed filming, which took away any element of realism from the monster action. I also wasn't enamored with the humor in the film too much and the almost human like hand gestures of Godzilla are also something I dislike.

There are many things I do like about King Kong Vs Godzilla.

By "still popular" are you implying that this movie is still popular with most G fans? I ask because for the most part I see young(er) Godzilla fans very critical of this movie, even to the point of blasting the film outright. Most who like this movie seem to be older fans of the genre like myself. winky
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Yea, and most of the Goji fanbase is older people like you. So I do not get why people like it. Nestalgic value?
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Yea, and most of the Goji fanbase is older people like you
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You really think that?

From the various "G-Fest" videos I've seen posted it looks like most of those in attendance are younger, that is, pre-teenagers, teenagers, and young twenty and thirty somethings.

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So I do not get why people like it. Nostalgic value?
Probably. I know that may be hard(er) for you to understand because you're fifteen years old. When you enter your thirties you'll be able to understand simply because you're older...and then able to feel a fondness and attachment to those things(and people) you were around as a teenager, as opposed to similar things that are current at that time.
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I understand it perfectly. It is the only reason I still watch Toy Story, among other films.
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http://robojapan.blogspot.com/2009/03/king-kong-and-godzilla-invade-london.html

The gorilla suit in the image, and worn by the guy in the London(UK) subway station looks even worse than the Kong suit in the '62 movie. loco2
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1. I just e-mailed the people at their website (goblin productions) and told them it was Toho

2. I wonder what Toho is thinking, that is if they even know about this thing
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