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| packmule | Apr 12 2009, 07:33 AM Post #121 |
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| G2Kmaster | Apr 12 2009, 05:23 PM Post #122 |
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Looks good, but not terribly good. |
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| Godzillaheisei546 | Apr 22 2009, 07:12 AM Post #123 |
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This is my first Godzilla film, I just turned four. Yah I can still remember. As I watched, I liked what I saw, My grandma couldn't stop lauphing and making fun of it. I didn't understand why at the time. I was disapointed with the ending, I had been rooting for Godzilla. But I rewatched alot in my childhood, and actually hated this movie. Then I saw the Japanese version, with Ifukube music, and more scenes. Less american scenes. I loved this version, and it's been one of favorites ever since. Basically, the use of american actors, and the creature of the black lagoon music has never suited me. The japanese version leaves a better feeling and has more scenes that we couldn't miss. Bottom line, the american realese sucks, bad use of stocked music, American actors was useless. bad dubbing. Japanese was a masterpiece, music good, acting ok, and I can't explain this, but this movie is cheesy, yet you can enjoy every momment of it! If you get the chance to get it or see it, do so. Oh and the ending isn't altered much, just two roars heard at the end. |
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| Godzillaheisei546 | Sep 8 2009, 03:01 PM Post #124 |
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I must ask you where you got the Japanese version on DVD at. I saw the Japanese once on Veoh.com. It was great becasue of the music, and would love to have it on DVD,where did you get it? |
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| packmule | Sep 8 2009, 03:34 PM Post #125 |
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I bought a double disc set(two DVD-R's) from an internet vendor whose inventory includes Japanese kaiju and sci-fi/fantasy films. The DVD-Rs are Region 0, and include the original Japanese version w/English subtitles(letterboxed format and uncut), this a copy of the Region 2 Toho DVD. The other disc in this set includes a full frame version of the American, John Beck produced 1963 version of the original Toho film. I will send you a PM with the link to see this DVD set for sale. This vendor's DVD-Rs are excellent quality and I have never had any problems of any kind with any discs I have bought from them. I believe they now accept only money orders. They have an email address in case you want to contact them with any questions. ![]() Here's the Region 3 HK DVD of this film at eThaiCD: http://www.ethaicd.com/show.php?pid=23566 It's only $7.50 plus shipping. The shipping rate will be a about $8-10, standard air. This release is only Thai language subtitled with Japanese language(only). No English subs. I own this R3 DVD. |
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| josh TX | Sep 8 2009, 10:23 PM Post #126 |
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Going slightly off topic, I saw a mechanical ape that plays piano in a replica whiskey bar in a country western town in South Dakota. The ape looked as old and mangy as the King Kong suit did in this film. Someone definitely needed to take the old guy some hair care products. |
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| packmule | Sep 9 2009, 05:25 AM Post #127 |
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That mechanical ape you saw must have looked awful if it compares with the Kong suit in King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962). Perhaps the greatest disappointment for me personally watching this film is the absolutely horrendous looking Kong suit. I understand that the suit cannot be perfect. What kaiju suit could? They all have their flaws. Still, a creative looking and well made kaiju suit will IMO garner much more positive feedback than negative. As I said before in "revisits" of King Kong Vs Godzilla, the Kong suit resembles a cross between Quasimodo and an ape, more than anything. I have also found myself, at times, reminded of a Sasquatch when watching Kong suit actor Solomon Hirose inside this costume. The face of the suit is somewhat misshapen, there appears to be no discernible neck, giving Kong a hunched look, and the use of the extra long arms in certain shots of the film only worsened IMO the overall presentation of Kong in this movie. There have been, I think, far more hits than misses in overall effects and suit quality in the older Toho kaiju films. Unfortunately, the Kong suit in King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962) is a huge miss.
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| G2Kmaster | Sep 9 2009, 08:54 PM Post #128 |
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| Godzillaheisei546 | Sep 9 2009, 09:43 PM Post #129 |
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| packmule | Sep 10 2009, 04:36 AM Post #130 |
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That suit, Evan, which looks to be the one used in Godzilla Vs Biollante(1989), is not perfect, "critically" speaking as you mention or by any other standard, either objective or subjective. While I like the suit overall and believe it looks marvelous I personally dislike the eyes, which are IMO too narrow as well as the head, which I believe is a little undersized. The head of this suit has a feline(cat) like quality about it: I don't know about you guys but the head of a Godzilla suit that reminds me of a cat is not something I particularly relish. Perfection only exists as a subjectively formed perception and/or perception in someone's mind. Period. ![]() Evan, by "critically" speaking are you referring to your own opinion? Or is there an official book or printed guide by which all kaiju suits are judged, and of which the suit in the posted image by you has received a perfect "10". If there is no book as I describe, or any other OFFICIALLY sanctioned publication that is universally recognized by Toho and other companies that have made kajiu sites, then your "critically speaking" remark is nothing more than YOUR OPINION.
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| G2Kmaster | Sep 10 2009, 09:08 AM Post #131 |
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Criticaly grading something is a form of opinion, or atleast that is what I have been told.And in criticaly grading suits, this one takes the cake for what the filmakers embarked on. It seems to me that you think of something graded "criticaly" means factual... |
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| packmule | Sep 10 2009, 03:47 PM Post #132 |
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My disdain for the use of the word "critically" is founded in my belief that a person offering their opinion about something would be better off simply stating it is their opinion and describing them as exactly that. I have always associated the word "critically" within the context that it is a mostly objective standard, or objective benchmark of some kind, against which an idea or opinion is expressed: this "objective standard" could be something like what I mentioned earlier: an official book of some kind. I judge anything, a film, a painting. a song, anything by my own preferences and own impressions and everyone's impressions are different. To me the word "critically" implies a judgment of something using an objective source for a parameter. By stating our opinions about how we think a kaiju suit looks we ARE NOT basing those judgments on ANYTHING objective, but rather our own impressions and preferences, both of which are entirely SUBJECTIVE.
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| G2Kmaster | Sep 11 2009, 08:49 AM Post #133 |
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I see... Well then I suppose that I posted something which is a popular opinion... |
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| dph | Nov 1 2009, 10:39 PM Post #134 |
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This was my second Godzilla movie, but it was the first one that started my obsession with Godzilla. I saw the old Goodtimes home video version, but then in 2003 I finally got to see the Japanese version and was blown away at how much better it was. Ifukube's score is definitely one of his nicest of the Showa Era along with Mothra vs. Godzilla and Destroy All Monsters. Too bad the suits didn't look better in the Japanese version. lol. |
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| Gojira the ultimate | Nov 8 2009, 09:44 PM Post #135 |
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This was my first ever showa movie, and I love it to this day. |
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| packmule | Nov 9 2009, 10:30 PM Post #136 |
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I can understand your disdain for the Kong suit, which looked more like a mangy Sasquatch than a gorilla. As for the "Kingoji" Godzilla suit, did you really find it that bad? |
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| dph | Nov 10 2009, 09:19 AM Post #137 |
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I don't think it was terrible, definitely better than GRA or Son of Godzilla's suit, but it does have it's faults, like looking extremely over weight. Also the shots from the front don't do it any favors. |
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| Gojira the ultimate | Nov 10 2009, 09:25 AM Post #138 |
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Kinggoji was one of my favorite designs. I just got a great a big appeal out of the Kinggoji suit. This is my suit rating system, and this thing gets
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| packmule | Jan 9 2011, 10:48 AM Post #139 |
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I'll Drink To That - Thoughts on Toho's Kong and berry juice Note: some parts of this post may make sense and some many not. The character of King Kong in the Toho kaiju film King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962) has always been for me a point of fascination. I know for many among the giant monster movie fandom the Toho Kong is looked upon with considerable disdain. Why not? He looks terrible in the '62 film with hunched shoulders, little or no neck and at times appears to have overly elongated arms. His appearance in this film has been described as "a hairy, giant quasimodo" and "giant ugly sasquatch". Add to the fact that the film he appeared in still ranks as one of the most watched Toh kaiju films, not just of the 1960's but in the history of Godzilla films which means A LOT of people have seen Toho Kong in all his ugliness on the big screen, VHS and DVD. Maybe that's why Kong gets inebriated in the '62 film to the point of passing out on his back in front of the native islanders who worshiped him. Kong may have been ashamed of his appearance and, for lack of a personal groomer and life coach, coped the only way he knew how: by getting drunk. Can you blame him? Imagine having to listen to islanders privately make fun of his garish appearance. While no official estimates have ever been posted I think it's safe to say that King Kong consumed thousands of gallons of the red berry juice based on the size of the islander made containers. Kong's own size of 45 meters(about 148 feet) in height would presumably require a considerable amount of the juice in order for him to numb his feelings of boredom and misery, the potency of the juice's overall fermentation likely comparable to old school homemade corn whiskey, a beverage commonly referred to as "moonshine" in the southeastern United States. Many fans may consider Toho's Kong a drunk and butt ugly creature but to his credit he managed to defeat a giant octopus and Godzilla, the latter a monster heavier, five meters taller than himself and possessing a scalding hot beam weapon capable of setting Kong's fur on fire. I believe Kong fought Godzilla while inebriated...and he still won albeit with some help from a few random lightning strikes. Toho Kong is old school brawler in combat: grappling, hand strikes, hurling boulders, shoulder blocks and body slams are all part of what Kong employed to defeat Godzilla. Sadly, Toho Kong, initially asked by Toho to appear in the 1966 film Ebirah Horror Of The Deep, was replaced at the last minute by Godzilla after Kong reportedly refused to promise Toho execs he wouldn't eat Ebirah after tearing the giant crustacean apart with his bare hands. In summary I'd like to ask fans to give Toho Kong a break, and a closer examination the next time you watch King Kong Vs Godzilla. I think you'll come away with a greater appreciation for this ugly but hard working creature. As for what has happened since 1962 there is speculation that Toho Kong wants to visit Monsterland in the Ogasawara island archipelago, perhaps even take up permanent residency there but that Godzilla and the other kaiju residing on this remote island won't let Kong drop by until they've received a written, contractual guarantee of a large shipment, in advance of Kong's visit, of the red berry juice. Pacific Pharmaceuticals has been trying to mediate this issue between Toho Kong and the other monsters ever since...without any success. Toho's current CEO Shogo Tomiyama has, in recent years, received considerable pressure from the Japanese Parliament to break this stalemate and help Kong and the kaiju of "Monsterland" reach an agreement. The latest update, posted in a Japanese newspaper last month, said an agreement is imminent. |
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| Godzillaheisei546 | Jan 9 2011, 01:36 PM Post #140 |
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Toho Kong scared me as a kid. The puppet version was hideous, The suit had flat feet, white eyes, awful teeth, need I say more. Yet I like this version of Kong over the 1970s version, Is that Possible? |
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| packmule | Jan 10 2011, 05:21 PM Post #141 |
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Possible? Yes. The real question is why. The Japanese trailer: Though it will likely never happen I have always been fascinated at how a remake of the '62 film would look. Considering technology now and advances in special effects I believe, one day in the future a "KK Vs Godzilla" film could be well received in Japan...once interest in kaiju films has returned over there. Hell, Toho could let "CrowMagnumMan"(Gregg) direct it: he'd know how.
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| Godzillaheisei546 | Jan 10 2011, 07:26 PM Post #142 |
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If the 2012 Godzilla film does well at the box office and by the critics(the fans too), I think it could draw interest in More Godzilla films, possibly A King Kong vs Godzilla. |
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| packmule | Jan 13 2011, 12:30 PM Post #143 |
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Gorilla at large: King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962) - revisited I saw many Showa era Godzilla films when I was a kid, including Godzilla King Of The Monsters(1956), Godzilla Vs The Smog Monster(1971), Godzilla Vs The Thing(1964) and Monster Zero(1965). Many I wouldn't see until much later after I was an adult, most of them beginning in the late 80's and through the mid 90's as I managed to catch them on TBS's "Super Scary Saturday"(hosted by Al Lewis of the 60's The Munsters TV series) and then after buying bootleg VHS tapes from a now defunct catalog order company called "Vicious Video". I first watched King Kong Vs Godzilla in 1987 with a co-worker and friend in his attic apartment. I managed to record the movie on VHS tape. The tape is long gone but my memories of watching this film are still around. King Kong Vs Godzilla was produced by Toho and released theatrically for the first time back in 1962. Released in 2:35.1 "Tohoscope" widescreen, this film was Toho's means by which to re-introduce their "star", Godzilla back to the big screen. Recall that Godzilla had not been seen theatrically for seven(7) years since 1955's Godzilla Raids Again, the quickie sequel to Toho's highly successful film Gojira(1954). Interestingly enough, the 1962 film was originally conceived(by Willis O'Brien) as a "King Kong Vs Frankenstein" film. I'm not going to get into how Godzilla came to become Kong's co star in this movie. I am going to submit some more observations about this film, referencing both the American and Toho versions. As always some of my musings may look familiar and some will, hopefully be new additions to my continuing diatribe about the movie. Thumbs up: 1. the "Kingoji" Godzilla suit used in the film. Godzilla looks more reptilian with beady eyes on an alligator-like head and has bulkier legs and arms, more rounded, maple leaf shaped dorsal fins and a long, powerful tail. Godzilla is treated as the "heavy" in King Kong Vs Godzilla and this suit is IMO effective at perpetuating that role 2. the original score by Akira Ifukube is superb. It's too bad only those owning the Toho Region 2 DVD or a R2 DVD-R copy can listen to this score because much of it has been replaced in the American version of the film, which was released in 1963 3. Godzilla's entrance in the film is outstanding: the monster's presence is preempted by the glowing, radioactive light coming from inside the iceberg. Godzilla emerges from the iceberg while simultaneously destroying the U.N. nuclear submarine Seahawk (the sub's destruction is implied). The helicopter crew spots the monster below and we see a panoramic shot of Godzilla emerging from the iceberg. 4. Godzilla's attack on the arctic base: it's not without its flaws but overall the scene is rendered well, shots of Godzilla moving through the icy water as he approaches the base, then the monster making landfall and immediately opening up a can of whoop ass with his oral beam, torching some buildings and demolishing the bases' control tower with his tail. The base's defense forces wisely retreat, another nice effect rendered through tanks withdrawing back to their underground bunker. 5. actors Yu Fujiki and Tadao Takashima: I'm never enamored with a glut of humor in kaiju films and while I think the humor was poured on thick at times in this movie no one could have done it better than this pair who had previously worked together on a Japanese TV show called "The Crazy Cats". The shenanigans between these two characters is amplified by their boss "Mr. Tako"(played by bespectacled Ichiru Arashima). Tako is a nervous, jittery man who, given to sudden and periodic emotional outbursts always seems on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Tako's buffoonery during the film reaches its apex when he fancies himself, to the point of absurdity, as King Kong's official "sponsor". Over time I have come to appreciate the antics by these human characters in the movie. 6. Godzilla's attack on the train: a well rendered scene which affords the viewer a nice point of reference to Godzilla's size and power as the monster derails and destroys several train cars from the abandoned train 7. the heroics of actor Kenji Sahara's character in rescuing his girlfriend after she's unceremoniously left behind after abandoning the train...and with Godzilla approaching nearby. Give the guy credit for having some serious testicular fortitude in this scene. 8. King Kong's brief foray into Tokyo. I wish this scene had been longer. Even better would have been the two monsters hashing it out in town. Still, the sequence where Kong hammered off a corner section of a building and then ripped a train car off the tracks to inspect the people inside it served as a good reminder of the power and undeniably intimidating presence of the creature 9. the final battle between King and Godzilla in and around Mt. Fuji: this battle is absolutely an imperfect venture with a brief an ineffective "stop motion" sequence and brief sequences utilizing hand puppets which looked poor on screen. Overall the battle choreography was IMO quite good: the monsters grappled, vigorously blasted each other as Kong used his hands and Godzilla his tail to do the damage. Both creatures threw each other to the ground and Kong evened tried to jam a tree in Godzilla's mouth as well as hurling boulders at his rival. Thumbs down: 1. I've seen some intellectually challenged characters in many monster movies but the commanding officer of the U.N. submarine "Seahawk" may be the biggest buffoon I've ever seen: this guy allows his submarine, equipped with presumably quality radar and sonar, and operated by competent equipment operators, to plow into the side of an iceberg all while knowing in advance his vessel is surrounded by them. ( ). I also noticed that the Seahawk captain didn't know, at least in the English dubbed version of the film, what a "Cerenkov light" was. A scientist nearby explained to the captain that it was a light generated by nuclear reactors...and since the Seahawk is a nuclear sub it seems reasonable to assume that the Seahawk captain would know what "Cerenkov light" is. The befuddled look on the sub captain suggested, to me, that he may have thought it meant a brand of Russian beer or vodka.2. the general lack of high speed filming used during many of the kaiju action sequences and during the final battle between the monsters 3. the Kong suit looked atrocious. This has been stated ad nauseam. Still, had the suit looked better this film might not receive as much criticism as it does. Kong in this film looks more like a "sasquatch". I thought I read somewhere that Eiji Tsuburaya wanted the Kong in this film to look friendlier. I don't think the garish facial features, hunched shoulders and generally neck-less look project that quality. Add to the suit's terrible look some of the antics by Kong in the film, including getting drunk in island red berry juice and scratching the top of his head after his fur is singed by Godzilla's oral beam and there are now even more reasons to bash the monster. All of that said I've always liked Kong in this film, more his actions than appearance. He did, after all, drive off a giant octopus and manage to defeat Godzilla while likely still experiencing the effects of the red berry juice. 4. in the American version the running analysis by "Dr. Arnold Johnson" was laughable at times, especially when the old geezer used a children's dinosaur book as a visual aide to his explanation and analysis of Godzilla's origin and behavioral habits. This is an at times wildly uneven film regarding effects. No doubt the film has a strong satirical element as well and that may be a big turn off for kaiju fans. From what I've seen from internet reviews and message board discussion King Kong Vs Godzilla is either really well liked or despised. In any event this film should be in every kaiju film DVD collector's collection! |
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| packmule | Feb 12 2011, 06:23 PM Post #144 |
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August Ragone has penned an excellent article in his blog about King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962): http://augustragone.blogspot.com/2011/02/king-kong-vs-godzilla-1962.html |
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| Russzilla | Feb 13 2011, 12:31 AM Post #145 |
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KKvsG still remains a favorite of mine, and also the #1 Godzilla movie that I wish could be remade. |
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| jimpickens | Feb 15 2011, 01:46 AM Post #146 |
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So besides the music what's the difference between the US and Japanese versions. |
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| packmule | Feb 15 2011, 07:46 AM Post #147 |
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Two major differences: 1. in the American version there is an inclusion of American actors like Harry Holcombe, James Yagi and Michael Keith. 2. In the Japanese version there are talking scenes between the cast that have been edited out for the American version. The opening sequence of the American version is also different from the Japanese version. More on both versions of this film, including the differences: http://godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/King_Kong_vs._Godzilla |
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| packmule | Apr 30 2011, 06:40 AM Post #148 |
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Armand Vaquer blogs about his first experience watching King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962), the American version, on the big screen: http://robojapan.blogspot.com/2011/04/loathing-king-kong-vs-godzilla.html |
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| MegalonIsNotPleased | May 23 2011, 02:58 PM Post #149 |
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i simply did not like this one. it took too long to get everything started, i know it is that way for many godzilla films, but in this one it was simply too long |
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| packmule | Jun 10 2012, 12:41 PM Post #150 |
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Sci-Fi Japan has posted an excellent interview with Paul Mason, who was a screenwriter for the Americanized, 1963 theatrical version of Toho's King Kong Vs Godzilla(1962): http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2012/06/10/interview-king-kong-vs-godzilla-screenwriter-paul-mason/
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