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Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(1965); Discuss the film here. (aka "Monster Zero")
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It seemed natural to me, especially having a Western actor in the film, that they would try to push the romance thing, even if it was forced or tacked on. It was one of those things that you knew was likely to happen as soon as the cast appeared on-screen. I could see them omitting something like that if it was an older professor or scientist or something, but I'm sure Nick Adams was something of a heartthrob at the time since he was young and good looking, and I just figured they would take full advantage of that.
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... but I'm sure Nick Adams was something of a heartthrob at the time since he was young and good looking, and I just figured they would take full advantage of that

On the subject of Nick Adams, click the link to see an excellent article on the life and career of this man, who died of an apparent suicide, from a drug overdose, in 1968: http://www.crimemagazine.com/03/nickadams,0815.htm
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He had a "Mysterious" death, as they call it.
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He had a "Mysterious" death, as they call it.

The internet article I posted mentioned a drug overdose but also mentioned that there was some question as to how it happened. I first read this article about the life and career of Nick Adams about two years ago. I was saddened at how hard he had it in trying to forge his career, living like a pauper and having to resort to petty theft just to feed himself. It's admirable how Nick Adams persisted in the face of adversity to "get over the hump", so to speak. That said I got the impression, from the article, that Mr. Adams was overly obsessed with his career. Had he lived I believe Nick Adams could have enjoyed a modestly successful career, perhaps in lower budgeted B-movie films and even the occasional upgrade, but probably nothing that would merit an Oscar nomination.
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They didn't use the same suit from Ghidrah: The Three-Headed Monster did they. This suit looked more like the Godzilla vs the Sea Monster Suit.
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May 31 2008, 12:49 AM
They didn't use the same suit from Ghidrah: The Three-Headed Monster did they. This suit looked more like the Godzilla vs the Sea Monster Suit

The Godzilla suits used in Ghidrah The Three Headed Monster(1964) and Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(1965) were completely different. The "Mosugoji" suit used in Mothra Vs Godzilla(1964) was also used in GTTHM, but the head was changed out to modify the facial features of Godzilla, making the monster look less malevolent. This modified suit is commonly referred to as the "SanDaiKaiju" suit.

For info on the suit used in Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(and Godzilla Vs The Sea Monster), click the link and scroll down: http://www.historyvortex.org/GodzillaEvolution.html
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Thanks for the info!
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the battles where awsome and one of a kind. but....... the movie bored me to death. too much diologe, thats ok, but monsters are good too......
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the battles where awesome and one of a kind. but....... the movie bored me to death. too much dialogue, thats ok, but monsters are good too......
Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(1965) does, IMO, drag a bit much while the storyline of the aliens develops.

That said this film has some of my favorite special effects among the Showa era G films, including:

-the alien transport blasting Rodan out of the mountainside by way of its cutting energy beam, then using a tractor beam to move him off
-I also liked the effects used to show the other transport pulling Godzilla up out of the lake
-several of the battle tactics used by the monsters in the final battle, including Rodan lifting Godzilla up off the ground and using Godzilla as an airborne battering ram, plowing Godzilla into King Ghidrah. thumbz up
-several effects shots, utilizing "forced perspective" techniques and matte shots, also looked very good, especially the one where Godzilla is seen in the distance, during the monster's first alien controlled rampage on Earth, while villagers flee closer to the camera.


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I think besides the original movie, this is my favorite Showa era film. This was my absolute favorite when I was a kid. The soundtrack is one of Ifukube's best. I think I prefer the dubbed version of this one. That way you get Nick Adams' original voice, and most of the dubbing is really good in this one. I can't remember the name of the geeky guy, but whoever dubbed him did a fantastic job. I just really love this movie.
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I can't remember the name of the geeky guy
Akira Kubo. winky
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I can't remember the name of the geeky guy
Akira Kubo. winky
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the battles where awesome and one of a kind. but....... the movie bored me to death. too much dialogue, thats ok, but monsters are good too......
Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(1965) does, IMO, drag a bit much while the storyline of the aliens develops.

That said this film has some of my favorite special effects among the Showa era G films, including:

-the alien transport blasting Rodan out of the mountainside by way of its cutting energy beam, then using a tractor beam to move him off
-I also liked the effects used to show the other transport pulling Godzilla up out of the lake
-several of the battle tactics used by the monsters in the final battle, including Rodan lifting Godzilla up off the ground and using Godzilla as an airborne battering ram, plowing Godzilla into King Ghidrah. thumbz up
-several effects shots, utilizing "forced perspective" techniques and matte shots, also looked very good, especially the one where Godzilla is seen in the distance, during the monster's first alien controlled rampage on Earth, while villagers flee closer to the camera.


ok, those are good points, theres only 2 monster fights if you think about it, whoa i just realized that!
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I would love this film if the Xilians design didn't make them walk so awkward...
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I would love this film if the Xilians design didn't make them walk so awkward...
i'm with you on this one.
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Yea, because they walk like they got a stick up their but or they all have constipation problems and I said design because their pants looks like they are made of shinny spanded that does not fit well...
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they just look corney to me, even if it is 65.
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This was caused msot probrably by Henry Saperstein...
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Oh well. I think it's kind of part of the charm of the film.
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Jan 11 2009, 07:32 PM
Oh well. I think it's kind of part of the charm of the film.
That excsuse gets used alot with the Godzilla fandom. Now it has been used too much. There is a stoping line. The only reason I watch Monster Zero is because of the kaiju fights and Nick Adams in a rare role: an American!
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Jan 11 2009, 05:02 PM
they just look corney to me, even if it is 65
I thought the Xians uniforms looked tacky. What looked even worse, IMO: those yellow outfits worn by the astronauts when they accompanied the Xians back to Planet X with the monsters. winky

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This was caused most probably by Henry Saperstein...
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Henry Saperstein was an American film distributor, G2K, and not an employee of Toho or someone who worked on these Godzilla films. You're saying that the design for the Xians' uniforms was because of some action and/or influence by Mr. Saperstein? huh?
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they just look corney to me, even if it is 65
I thought the Xians uniforms looked tacky. What looked even worse, IMO: those yellow outfits worn by the astronauts when they accompanied the Xians back to Planet X with the monsters. winky

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This was caused most probably by Henry Saperstein...
heyo

Henry Saperstein was an American film distributor, G2K, and not an employee of Toho or someone who worked on these Godzilla films. You're saying that the design for the Xians' uniforms was because of some action and/or influence by Mr. Saperstein? huh?
yah i forgot about the astronauts uniform. they where bad as well.
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Godzillaheisei546
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they just look corney to me, even if it is 65
I thought the Xians uniforms looked tacky. What looked even worse, IMO: those yellow outfits worn by the astronauts when they accompanied the Xians back to Planet X with the monsters. winky

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This was caused most probably by Henry Saperstein...
heyo

Henry Saperstein was an American film distributor, G2K, and not an employee of Toho or someone who worked on these Godzilla films. You're saying that the design for the Xians' uniforms was because of some action and/or influence by Mr. Saperstein? huh?
yah i forgot about the astronauts uniform. they where bad as well.
If I recall correctly he also produced Monster Zero, along with Frankenstein vs. Baragon and War of the Gargantuas.
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If I recall correctly he also produced Monster Zero, along with Frankenstein vs. Baragon and War of the Gargantuas
Henry Saperstein was responsible for getting Frankenstein Vs Baragon(1965) released to theaters in the U.S. in 1966 under the title "Frankenstein Conquers The World". Saperstein also got Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(1965) and War Of The Gargantuas(1966) a U.S. theatrical release in 1970, the American title of the 1965 Toho film called "Monster Zero". I believe these two films were commonly double billed in American theaters.

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He was also executive producer. He actualy DID INFLUENCE Sekizawa's script (accouple of people who have critiqued this film) noticed that and some interviews explain that. He was more than just a mere distributor...

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You're saying that the design for the Xians' uniforms was because of some action and/or influence by Mr. Saperstein?


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I'd like you to provide me with a link supporting this, if you don't mind.

I have read that Henry Saperstein requested the "Devilfish" scene, as well as a few other scenes(including the Franken-boy tossing a car) be lensed by Toho for the American version of Frankenstein Vs Baragon, Toho complying with Saperstein's request. Director Inoshiro Honda didn't like the "Devilfish" scene, Honda believing the sudden appearance of a tentacled octopus-like creature in a nearby lake was far fetched. Saperstein also eventually agreed with Honda that this scene was best left out of the American version called "Frankenstein Conquers The World".
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Here is one of many articles. It is going to take me accouple of days to find thiese articles, since I have to search through 20+ sites I go to... While not saying it is because of Saperstein itself, it does aknowlege Monster Zero's American feel which set it apart from the other films, even the other strewed film pre-Monster Zero King Kong vs. Godzilla...

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2006/08/07/the-ultimate-showa-film-monster-zero/
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While not saying it is because of Saperstein itself, it does acknowlege Monster Zero's American feel which set it apart from the other films
You stated Henry Saperstein had an influence on the selection of yellow uniforms worn by actors Nick Adams, Akira Takarada and Jun Takazi in Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(1965). I have asked you for a link(a URL) that corroborates your assertion. Nothing more.

I haven't seen anything on the internet that says Saperstein was directly involved in the selection of these outfits. Hence why I have asked you for a link.

Here's the post where you answered "yes" to my question: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Monsterland_Forum/single/?p=8023937&t=16253
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While not saying it is because of Saperstein itself, it does acknowlege Monster Zero's American feel which set it apart from the other films
You stated Henry Saperstein had an influence on the selection of yellow uniforms worn by actors Nick Adams, Akira Takarada and Jun Takazi in Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(1965). I have asked you for a link(a URL) that corroborates your assertion. Nothing more.

I haven't seen anything on the internet that says Saperstein was directly involved in the selection of these outfits. Hence why I have asked you for a link.

Here's the post where you answered "yes" to my question: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Monsterland_Forum/single/?p=8023937&t=16253
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I said Xilian costumes. Not Nick Adams. The only thimg I mentioned of Nick Adams was that he got a rare roll getting the part of an AMERICAN... I love that.

It is not so much the selection of the XILIAN'S outfits as to how they are described in the INFLUENCED SCRIPT.

My yes is unchanged.

Where did you get that I was commenting on the space were of Nick Adams? I always ment the Xilians...
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It's very simple: I believe the selection of the yellow outfits worn by the astronauts in this film, when they go back to Planet X with the Xians and the monsters, was made by Toho. I commented that I thought they looked tacky.

You posted "yes" to a question I posted in which I asked you if Henry Saperstein did something or otherwise influenced Toho to use these yellow outfits. You answered "yes".

I have asked you for a link thst supports your "yes" answer because I have seen nothing on the internet or in books that says Saperstein influenced Toho to use these yellow outfits.
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