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Godzilla Vs Hedorah(1971); Discuss the film here.
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I meant "Grim", sorry about the mistake.
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Feb 2 2008, 08:28 AM
I meant "Grim", sorry about the mistake.

No apology is necessary though in saying "grim" scenes I still wonder what scenes, specifically, you're referring to. ?
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Well, GvsH seems darker then the last entry and has humans dying and of course the scene's of rubbish floating in the water.
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One interesting scene I liked, was when Hedorah dripped down the stairs and it got on that cat, yet it didnt kill it like it killed humans.
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Feb 2 2008, 08:38 AM
Well, GvsH seems darker then the last entry and has humans dying and of course the scene's of rubbish floating in the water.

I understand now what you're referring to Matthew. Some grim scenes like:

-the scientist who gets part of his face burned by Hedorah and has to wear a bandage for the rest of the movie

-the scenes where Hedorah flies overhead, leaving a trail of contaminated and burned corpses about. This was surprisingly gruesome, compared to what we've seen in previous Showa G films

-some of the fight scenes between Godzilla and Hedorah were grim: Godzilla nearly being drowned in a huge pool of sludge, Godzilla punching a hole in Hedorah at one point. Hell, the entire film had a sense of dread about it.

My apologies, Matthew, for not being quicker on the ball at understanding what you were talking about earlier. I had a rough week last week-very tired from planting huge trees daily, hence being hard headed about what you posted earlier. sadlyicon

Note: looking at the entire Showa Godzilla forum of this site I noticed that Godzilla Raids Again(1955), Gojira(1954), Invasion Of The Astro Monsters(1965) and Godzilla Vs Hedorah(1971) have garnered the most posting activity. heyo
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All I can say is that this movie is an acid trip from hell. This was the last movie that I saw of the showa era to complete my collection. And from all of the pictures that were out for this film, I expected so much more. The Score was terriable. It was the "Drunken Godzilla theme" And Godzilla flies?! WoW, That's all I can say.
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Mar 26 2008, 12:33 AM
All I can say is that this movie is an acid trip from hell. This was the last movie that I saw of the showa era to complete my collection. And from all of the pictures that were out for this film, I expected so much more. The Score was terriable. It was the "Drunken Godzilla theme" And Godzilla flies?! WoW, That's all I can say.

This is one Godzilla film that is definitely, IMO, somewhat "out there". It's why I like it. shifty eyes

Bonus: the AIP(english dubbed) trailer for Godzilla Vs The Smog Monster: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ELDVjutzan8
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I just got around to seeing this...and I have to say hands down the most bizarre Godzilla film to date...but I like it as that is a large part of what makes it stand out...the film was trippy like a acid trip...not that I've had one.....One thing I've noted is....was it just me or were there some sexual symbolism about Hedorah itself?
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Apr 2 2008, 02:02 PM
One thing I've noted is....was it just me or were there some sexual symbolism about Hedorah itself?

I've seen this discussed at a few other message boards. Some who have seen Godzilla Vs Hedorah(1971) have suggested the eye(s) of Hedorah were shaped like a woman's vagina. Is there some subliminal subtext there? Beats me. I do know when I have watched this film I have never been reminded, by Hedorah itself, or any part of this foul, stinking monster, of a woman's genitalia. shiftyeyes
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One thing I've noted is....was it just me or were there some sexual symbolism about Hedorah itself?

I've seen this discussed at a few other message boards. Some who have seen Godzilla Vs Hedorah(1971) have suggested the eye(s) of Hedorah were shaped like a woman's vagina. Is there some subliminal subtext there? Beats me. I do know when I have watched this film I have never been reminded, by Hedorah itself, or any part of this foul, stinking monster, of a woman's genitalia. shiftyeyes

Actually I didn't think of a vagina at all...I thought it seemed somewhat more like Male organs judging on the shape of Hedorah it's self. Godzilla reaching into his and bulling out those 2 white balls and those "tadpole" shaped things....nah I thing with Hedorah's eyes seemed like the least symbolic thing if you ask me
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All I can say is that this movie is an acid trip from hell

Indeed, and no doubt for the guy sitting in the club in a drunken stupor who believed those dancing around him all looked primed for a fish market. tongue-1
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All I can say is that this movie is an acid trip from hell

Indeed, and no doubt for the guy sitting in the club in a drunken stupor who believed those dancing around him all looked primed for a fish market. tongue-1

It is rather true that this film seemed to have some form of drug influence driving it, like the fishead scene and all the funky animations but hell it certainly set this film appart but I suspect would be why Tomoyuki Tanaka told Banno that he ruined Godzilla films. Another reason is this one had less of a Japanese feel to it trying to get into the "hip" 70's theme but also trying (even if too strongly for it's own good) and environmentalist message.....granted not one of the best Godzilla films but it was definately alot better then Son of Godzilla and particularly Godzilla's Revenge.
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I noticed in this trailer(of the AIP dub) that Hedorah's audio effects almost sound like some old geezer wheezing and not at all like the sound it makes in the original Toho version. shiftyeyes
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I noticed in this trailer(of the AIP dub) that Hedorah's audio effects almost sound like some old geezer wheezing and not at all like the sound it makes in the original Toho version. shiftyeyes

Chocking to death on his own polution.....how ironic
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You know... With everyone wanting to "Go Green" and wanting to "Save the Earth", I'm really suprised Toho or someone hasn't tried to remake this movie. Hell, you rescore the orignal 'Godzilla vs Hedorah' and it wouldn't be that bad of a movie. What do you all think.
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You know... With everyone wanting to "Go Green" and wanting to "Save the Earth", I'm really suprised Toho or someone hasn't tried to remake this movie. Hell, you rescore the orignal 'Godzilla vs Hedorah' and it wouldn't be that bad of a movie. What do you all think.
I would advocate a remake of any Godzilla movie by Toho. noddy

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I agree. Hedorah was a cool monster. That movie was just weird
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That movie was just weird
Which is why I find Godzilla Vs Hedorah(1971) appealing: because it deviates from other Godzilla films. winky
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I can understand that. It was just the music tat threw me off so much. Hedorah was a cool design for a monster
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Hedorah is my all time favorite villain from the Showa series. I always wondered what was Hedorah's perspective on what was going on.
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Hedorah is my all time favorite villain from the Showa series. I always wondered what was Hedorah's perspective on what was going on.
That's an interesting concept that I hadn't thought of, Seth. Looking back I guess I had always thought of Hedorah as more of a parasite or virus than a creature with thoughts. But judging by what was going on in the film, most of his thoughts probably concerned the extermination of the human race, especially torch carrying hippies. very funny
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He probaly sees humans as "pest" who always gets in his way, also I think just as we find folowers/plants pretty and pollution gross, Hedorah finds folwers/plants ugly and polution pretty. I also belive Hedorah is not only cold hearted and ruthless but also smart, for example that scene when Godzilla and Hedorah are roaring at eachother during the party scene, it seems that they were having a conversation of some sorts, I belive that Hedorah must have been telling Godzilla that the humans are nothing more than "pest" that are threat to everything around them which is why they must all die, but Godzilla didn't want to listen. Although this is just guess..
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^That was deep. And I actualy got to tell you, that is a good perspective, reminds me of the Rodan/Godzilla conversation in Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster.
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I've got more ideas to what Hedorah was thinking. Including the scene were Ken's dad is attacked by Hedorah's water form.
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I've got more ideas to what Hedorah was thinking
Be sure and share them with us. I've been reading your take on Hedorah with considerable interest. winky
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Well during the scene where Hedorah attacks Ken's dad, Hedorah was probaly thinking "What's this thing doing here? It better not be trying to steal my food", then we have the scene where Hedorah feeds off the smoke stacks, he looked he was happy, probal cause he might have thought it tasted sweet or something.
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Well during the scene where Hedorah attacks Ken's dad, Hedorah was probably thinking "What's this thing doing here? It better not be trying to steal my food", then we have the scene where Hedorah feeds off the smoke stacks, he looked he was happy, probably cause he might have thought it tasted sweet or something.
Good points. Many G fans have suggested that Hedorah was perhaps Godzilla's toughest foe? Do you agree?
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Well during the scene where Hedorah attacks Ken's dad, Hedorah was probably thinking "What's this thing doing here? It better not be trying to steal my food", then we have the scene where Hedorah feeds off the smoke stacks, he looked he was happy, probably cause he might have thought it tasted sweet or something.
Good points. Many G fans have suggested that Hedorah was perhaps Godzilla's toughest foe? Do you agree?
I agree, neither Destroyah or Mechagodzilla have taken the kind of damage Hedorah has taken.
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I've always considered Hedorah to be one of Godzilla's toughest foes. The creature managed to engage Godzilla in battle several times in the film, took many direct blasts of Godzilla's oral beam, nearly drowned Godzilla in sludge and knocked Godzilla down with a blast of noxious fumes. The monster could shape shift from land(walking) to flying form and also had a red eye beam it could fire. Hedorah lost one of its eyes in battle but it still took both Godzilla and the defense force together to defeat the stinking, noxious monster.
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He is one of the strongest, but not the strongest. Mechagodzilla 2 paralyzed Godzilla. That is more than a burned hand and burnt eye.
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