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Gojira(1954) and GKOTM(1956); Discuss these two films & their DVDs
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^Yep. Especialy how GTTHM is set up human wise, it is an exciting movie... which could use better animation of Goji's beam. Other than that, that film is pretty good...
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Older is does not mean better. A film may age well but it doesn't mean it is criticaly better. Age is an irrelevent thing about when critiquing films except for making a judgement weather or not you could compare SFX and camera-shots.
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No, go ahead and judge
Don't mind if I do: what is your issue, including specifics, with Godzilla's beam from Ghidrah The Three Headed Monster?
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As many of you may know, I am a die hard kaiju fan. Though some people have told me that I need to be more than just a kaiju fan for the people who make the films think of super adicted fanboys to be odd but also it is "unhealthy". While I have made it my duty to not be akward like the stereotypical nerd (Revenge of the Nerds anyone?), I still manage to be a mega nerd when it comes to brains. And all who have them know about the colorized version of Godzilla, King of the Monsters. Now, most casual fans would not watch this version and since most casual fans I have known/seen, I would not prefer it unless stuff I mention in this review becomes rather to your liking. But to the rest of you, you have not had the full Gojira/GKOTM till you have scene this obscure yet obscene version out of the heart of Italy.

Now, this is what I take as the begining of when black and white movies were to be colorized. But, thoes who complained about the colorization look of the original King Kong are going to faint when they see what has happened to their beloved Godzilla. Edvidently, gels were put onto the film, therefore giving almost every shot in the film just one color (usualy yellow or blue). Kind of reminds me of a Kitamura picture, since Kitamura likes to color code his sets. The colorization I felt was more symbolic than anything. Not really done for the sake of there needing to be a colorized version since the original two versions were in black and white but just because. Really sloppy at first glance, but you get used to it by the time the cast get to Odo Island.

The Italian dubbing is much like American dubs done in Hong Kong. They are lifeless except for the Italian dubbing Raymond Burr. That was good. The storyline is though not changed at all from the original versions but rather use synonyms in the translation.

The SFX of the film is where the real changes come into play. The film is usualy started with Goji's breath attacking the boat or the scene where Steve Martin for a couple of seconds wakes in the debris of Tokyo. This film does something which is IMO a big plus for the film: shows footage of the atomic bomb, before and after. This is perfect to go along with an edited version of the original Godzilla, no sarcasm intended. I really did like it. The only thing is the music, which makes me think of something between a phycological thriller and some kind of bad metal show.

The Godzilla footage is rather done alot of harm. While little kaiju footage has been taken out, we still got one thing comming: replaying of the same footage over and over again. With the train station sequence extended by 3 minutes and the main attack on Tokyo extended by 5 minutes, you get alot of repetition and alot of disaster footage (from WW2 and from other events) comming your way. What realy makes it good though is that while the film is thematic enough if you see past the strong, ugly colors, but there is a scene that you would think that Godzilla is done attcking Tokyo and he is about to go into the ocean where the JSDF planes will scare him off. NO! This is not the same in this colorized version. Godzilla actualy attacks the JSDF, causes a gigantic wave to wash all over Tokyo, and all around the coast line - bombs the sixth of the size of the A-Bomb explode. And while all of this is happening, we got all sounds seemingly surpressed with the only soud you are supposed to be hearing is the prayer being sung. Really, it is the only scene in which this version can triumph over the Japanese and American versions of the film. Really feels like the end of G2K and feels like a Coppola directed scene. Such beauty.

Another really altered scene is where Ogata and Serizawa plant the Oxygen Destroyer. More suspence is added, only with there being added footage of a shark attacking an octopus before Godzilla's presence. Once the Oxygen Destroyer detonates the chemicals into the watry composition, Godzilla rises up for his final roar and all of this stock footage of a whole armada of Navy battle ships attack Godzilla. While this is not what happened in the US or JP versions of the film, it does make sence as to why this added scene actualy leaves no plot holes that at that exact moment Godzilla was vulnerable to weapons since the Oxygen Destroyer would have most probrably already weakened his hide. While I do not think this should have been added to the film, I do think it is a very interesting addition that makes the film more action packed so if you watch GFW and want more action, watch this film. The rest of the film is realy just like the US print, with part of Shinkichi's parent's deaths come, it is the JP version audio till US footage comes then the film goes on.

Overall, the film is nothing that people should really hate (says the guy who has a D-WAR obsession). But the film pales in comparison to both JP and US versions. While excelling in some areas, the coloring is just bad and some of the stock footage from Italy's film archives should have really been picked out better.

I give this film: 7/10

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That's really messed up. but it's very interesting. the intro lasts forever.
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I tried watching this colorized version and had to stop. vomitard
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LOL, it took me two times to watch it. I got it on a bootleg DVD now. Thanks Sony camcorder.
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It is counted as a sin to not have the original Gojira in atleast your top 25 fave films list among thoes in the fandom, if you have seen it. Because it is one of the best films ever made in a critical sence. One good example of this is this critique of the film by Ed Godziszewski in his book THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GODZILLA. But once in a while, someone reviews the film negativley. And 2/1 times, the review is for all the WONG reasons. The best example of this is the review done by the infamous Roger Ebert of the Chicago-Sun Times. So here, is judge his review and notice the innacuracies within it and the mistakes he, if he was a true proffessional, would not have made. And here we go!
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Regaled for 50 years by the stupendous idiocy of the American version of "Godzilla," audiences can now see the original Japanese version, which is equally idiotic, but, properly decoded, was the "Fahrenheit 9/11" of its time. Both films come after fearsome attacks on their nations, embody urgent warnings, and even incorporate similar dialogue, such as "The report is of such dire importance it must not be made public." Is that from 1954 Tokyo or 2004 Washington?

Roger Ebert is, of course, someone who prides himself in watching only what people could say is "prince cinematic art" like the Godfather, Last Temptation of Christ, and other works. Now, while watching thiese films for so long, his level of expectations for such a reserved classic such as "Godzilla" really is higher than what Godzilla fan's expectations are. However, he gives the reaser the impressions with the last sentance in this first paragraph that he one, gives off the fact that he thinks this film was just made. If not, which I hope that is the fact, he thinks that by comparing this film to the H-Bombings, he can compare Farenheit 9/11 to the War which brought the demise of Saddam Hussein. He completely blows this out of porportion and he clearly does not know about the Lucky Dragon No. 5 incident and the Fish Scare which was sent around Japan. Let's read on. So far, Godzilla 1, Ebert 0.

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The first "Godzilla" set box office records in Japan and inspired countless sequels, remakes and rip-offs. It was made shortly after an American H-bomb test in the Pacific contaminated a large area of ocean and gave radiation sickness to a boatload of Japanese fishermen. It refers repeatedly to Nagasaki, H-bombs and civilian casualties, and obviously embodies Japanese fears about American nuclear tests.

So the monkey does have a brain. Ok, so why make the analogy:
Lucky Dragon No. 5 and Hiroshima : Godzilla :: Farenheit 9/11 : 2003 Washington
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But that is not the movie you have seen. For one thing, it doesn't star Raymond Burr as Steve Martin, intrepid American journalist, who helpfully explains, "I was headed for an assignment in Cairo when I dropped off for a social call in Tokyo."

Ok
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In the '50s, the American producer Joseph E. Levine bought the Japanese film, cut it by 40 minutes, removed all of the political content, and awkwardly inserted Burr into scenes where he clearly did not fit. The hapless actor gives us reaction shots where he's looking in the wrong direction, listens to Japanese actors dubbed into the American idiom (they always call him, "Steve Martin" or even "the famous Steve Martin"), and provides a reassuring conclusion in which Godzilla is seen as some kind of public health problem, or maybe just a malcontent.

Public Health Problem. Yep, GKOTM haters should find this as the only redeeming part of this review of the film.
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The Japanese version, now in general U.S. release to mark the film's 50th anniversary, is a bad film, but with an undeniable urgency. I learn from helpful notes by Mike Flores of the Psychotronic Film Society that the opening scenes, showing fishing boats disappearing as the sea boils up, would have been read by Japanese audiences as a coded version of U.S. underwater H-bomb tests. Much is made of a scientist named Dr. Serizawa (Akihiko Hirata), who could destroy Godzilla with his secret weapon, the Oxygen Destroyer, but hesitates because he is afraid the weapon might fall into the wrong hands, just as H-bombs might, and have. The film's ending warns that atomic tests may lead to more Godzillas. All cut from the U.S. version.

Let's see M-i-k-e F-l-o-r-e-s. His number? I want to talk to this guy. Seems interesting.
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In these days of flawless special effects, Godzilla and the city he destroys are equally crude. Godzilla at times looks uncannily like a man in a lizard suit, stomping on cardboard sets, as indeed he was, and did. Other scenes show him as a stuffed, awkward animatronic model. This was not state of the art even at the time; "King Kong" (1933) was much more convincing.

I am pretty sure that as a proffessional reviewer that what you just said is like a lawyer making love with his secretary behind his wife's back. Not proffessional and verry child like. He fully knows the age of this film, and if he knew some stuff about the Japanese Film Industry - like his idol Mr. Scorsesse does especialy with Kurosawa - he would know that from grading from a "for what it is standpoint", his jusgement is unfair.
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When Dr. Serizawa demonstrates the Oxygen Destroyer to the fiancee of his son, the superweapon is somewhat anticlimactic. He drops a pill into a tank of tropical fish, the tank lights up, he shouts "stand back!," the fiancee screams, and the fish go belly up. Yeah, that'll stop Godzilla in his tracks.

It is quotes like tiese in which I wonder how someone becomes a proffessional film critic. It is just becoming a reviewer for a high profile new paper. Does he learn how to grade films equaly? Or is he just racist against Japanese Cinema? Or does he like to immaturely judge a scientific happening without science know how? If he did, or if he had a bit of common sence, he would know that he used only enough to make the chemicals effective. The viewer most probrably assumes that Serizawa's Oxygen Destroyer is a recent invention and that Serizawa most probrably does not know everything about it yet. So he would have taken this downized version as a "precaution" to use just enough.
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Reporters covering Godzilla's advance are rarely seen in the same shot with the monster. Instead, they look offscreen with horror; a TV reporter, broadcasting for some reason from his station's tower, sees Godzilla looming nearby and signs off, "Sayonara, everyone!" Meanwhile, searchlights sweep the sky, in case Godzilla learns to fly.

There are two scenes like this. Neither have search lights, dick. You are just now making things up. How immature and if I dare say, egotistical. Obviously, either this film was so complex that you just did not really care after the halfway point or you had to use the restroom after the first five minutes and just counted the minutes, hoping that the end would come soon and that every know and then, the film helps your mind get off your engourged bladder burden. Saddening. Plus, watch Godzilla vs. Hedorah. He CAN.
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The movie's original Japanese dialogue, subtitled, is as harebrained as Burr's dubbed lines. When the Japanese Parliament meets (in what looks like a high school home room), the dialogue is portentous but circular:

"The professor raises an interesting question! We need scientific research!"

"Yes, but at what cost?"

"Yes, that's the question!"

Is there a reason to see the original "Godzilla"? Not because of its artistic stature, but perhaps because of the feeling we can sense in its parable about the monstrous threats unleashed by the atomic age. There are shots of Godzilla's victims in hospitals, and they reminded me of documentaries of Japanese A-bomb victims. The incompetence of scientists, politicians and the military will ring a bell.

Your claim that the dialouge is "hairbraned" is rather opiniontive, don't you think? Critical reviewing, while never perfectly due to our humanity, is to be as true as factual grading as possible. This is just reckless reviewing. Like this review as a whole. But the last part seems to show you get about .05% what the film is about.
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This is a bad movie, but it has earned its place in history, and the enduring popularity of Godzilla and other monsters shows that it struck a chord. Can it be a coincidence, in these years of trauma after 9/11, that in a 2005 remake, King Kong will march once again on New York?

Hmmm... saying that this film is bad and that King Kong could be used as in essence a remake "Gojira", with Godzilla being replaced with King Kong and the bombings replaced with 9/11 is just, stupid. This man does not do something which all good film critics do: look at a film's production history throughly before viewing and reviewing the film. Wow this guy is bad.

Another interesting point someone needs to bring up is the fact that he seems to have rushed his review. I checked three other reviews just to see his "style": "Spawn", "The Godfather Part 2", and "The Last Temptation of Christ". The review for this film seems to be rushed. The other three aforementioned films had great review structure - he covered 90% of all angles of a movie a good critic should: plot, acting, SFX reguarding the time it was made and the conditions of it was made, and direction. But his review for "Spawn", which he gave 3 1/2 stars (he gave "The Godfather 2 less, just to let you know) was not whole harted and gave off the impression that he rated the film only at the SFX. So, overall, I review his review as this: Roger Ebert is either:
1.Racist against the Japanese
2.An Idiot who somehow is the Kim Jong Il of the critic buisness
3.Just had his head in his ass the day he reviewed the film.
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This is one of my favorite critics, let the record show I liked Gene better.

Of all of eberts reveiws, this is the worst!
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So, overall, I review his review as this: Roger Ebert is either:
1.Racist against the Japanese
2.An Idiot who somehow is the Kim Jong Il of the critic buisness
3.Just had his head in his ass the day he reviewed the film


My reaction to your assessments:

-on #1 I'm inclined to disagree. I've never heard Roger Ebert, who I consider a blowhard who enjoys hearing himself talk, say anything that would suggest he's racist.

-on #2, that's a possibility. I have often considered Ebert an idiot.

-on #3, that's probably physically impossible, especially for a man of Ebert's overall physique. If he did manage to stick his head up inside his behind I would consider it an improvement in his overall appearance.
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Classic Media has announced that it will release Gojira(1954) to Blu-Ray DVD on 9/22/09: http://www.fangoria.com/home/news/16-dvd-a-blu-ray/2356-gojira-stomps-onto-blu-ray.html

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Classic Media has announced that it will release Gojira(1954) to Blu-Ray DVD on 9/22/09: http://www.fangoria.com/home/news/16-dvd-a-blu-ray/2356-gojira-stomps-onto-blu-ray.html

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In light of the Blu-Ray announcement by Fangoria regarding the film Gojira, Ken Hulsey has posted an interesting and informative article, at his "Robo Japan" blog, about Godzilla movie preservation, the article(which appeared in G-Fan) authored by Armand Vaquer. To read this article click the link: http://robojapan.blogspot.com/2009/05/preserving-godzilla-and-blu-ray.html
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Have a look at this:

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2009/05/31/talking-cozzilla-an-interview-with-italian-godzilla-director-luigi-cozzi/
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That's a terrific article, the kind that we see so often at Sci-Fi Japan. It's very informative and addresses something I'm inclined to think a lot of Godzilla movie fans know little if anything about: the Italian "colorized" version of GKOTM.
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I am going to ask a quistion, what makes this movie so great? Reply with your answer.

To me, its not really Godzilla, But the Drama.
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It''s allegory, great cast, SFX pioneering, and Godzilla himself.
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In these days of flawless special effects


I just had to quote this and say:

No form of special effects are flawless, they all have their short comings... I would expect someone like Ebert who is called a "professional Film Critic" to know that nothing is 100% perfect in movies. Nono

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There are two scenes like this. Neither have search lights, dick.


You calling Ebert a dick, makes me laugh each time I read it for some reason. very funny
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I take that as a compliment, thanks.
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Those with broadband internet service can see the film Gojira(1954)(w/English subtitles) at Joost by clicking the link: http://www.joost.com/0070027/t/Gojira-subtitled

Here's the American version, called Godzilla King Of The Monsters(1956): http://www.joost.com/007002a/t/Godzilla-King-of-the-Monsters
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This is truely a gorgeous film.
Having only just seen the original Japanese version this year (Via Toho Collections that have both versions on it -- I have 5 copies of various G54, including the one I just mentioned)... I was utterly BLOWN away by the original story (I had read about it at length mind you - but nothing compares to actually watching it). What a great film!

Do you think this film would have been condemned by the American Public if it had been released in its original form here in the states, only dubbed?

I have a question... After Godzilla's city rampage, Is the mother (that seems to die) that the child starts crying over and Emiko Yamane (Momoko Kochi) picks up and tries to comfort (and kinda lies to at least from my perspective), the same mother that is telling her three(?) children that they will be with their father soon? They look similar... but the woman at the makeshift hospital, seems to have a bit of a longer face, than the mother with her kids (Though we actually didn't get much of a closeup of her). I was just wondering if maybe this is a before and after thing.
Sorry... that scene really caught my eye and truly made what was happening utterly tragic.
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Do you think this film would have been condemned by the American Public if it had been released in its original form here in the states, only dubbed?
Condemned? Possibly. The original Toho version was released theatrically only nine years after the end of World War Two. If a Japanese film with no American actor(s) was released in the United States less than ten years after the end of WW2 it seems possible, if nothing else, that American theatrical audiences would have had considerably greater disdain for this movie. From what I have read the inclusion of American actor Raymond Burr in the American(1956) version was done in order to improve the chances this film would be better received by audiences here in the U.S.

My late adoptive father, a WW2 veteran(US Navy) told me there was considerable anti-Japanese sentiment in the U.S. throughout the 1950's and even into the 1960's.

Gojira is a film that often delivers some grim and emotionally powerful images: I think many here in the U.S. seeing this film in English dub and in 1954 would have appreciated this movie. I also think that this movie, without an American actor in it, would also have been the recipient of considerable criticism and even derision. winky
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wow PM... that was beautifully answered.

I have studied a lot on WWII.
Though I know that atrocities happened with every war (and every nation was pretty much guilty of bad things, including America).
The Japanese were exceptionally bad. I still know WWII veterans of the Pacific that still despise the Japanese for what they did (Not so much the people or average citizen of Japan... but anyone who participated in the fighting of the actual war itself).
Though so as not to paint him too harshly... He did say that after all was said and done that he felt that Japanese-Americans got a bad deal. What with him being of German heritage like me, was in a decent position to understand... but then again, it was far easier for Europeans 'specifically Germans-Americans' to hide or blend in. Asian Americans were not so fortunate.
Sometimes the world can be so ugly without meaning to... and when it does mean it... it is disgusting.

Anyhow. What are you ideas or take on the woman/mother I mentioned? Do you think it may have been the same character to add impact to the film?

Another great scene is the train one... where they are discussing Godzilla and someone makes mention of the bomb. Interesting scene.

Course... I am sure Roy Cohn would have made hell about this film during the (Everyone is a) Communist trials and probably found some hidden (Communist) meaning and demonized it. Roy Cohn was a piece of trash!
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The Japanese were exceptionally bad. I still know WWII veterans of the Pacific that still despise the Japanese for what they did (Not so much the people or average citizen of Japan
I once met a friend of my late fathers who served in the Pacific like my father did. He admitted to harboring a lingering and strong hatred for anyone and anything Japanese or associated with Japan itself. My own father told me he struggled at times to overcome his own resentment against Japan many, many years after the war was over. My father, as far as I could tell, and over the decades that followed, was able to overcome his own bitterness about people and things Japanese, something I always admired him for being able to do. Unfortunately not everyone was able to do this.

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He did say that after all was said and done that he felt that Japanese-Americans got a bad deal
I am admittedly not well versed in the overall treatment of Japanese-Americans born in the U.S. previous to WW2 and specifically the attack on the U.S. naval base at Pearl Harbor(Hawaii) in December of 1941 but I have read that a great majority of these people were mistreated and subjected to bigotry, discrimination, threats, assaults and various restrictions, many excessive, placed on them by the U.S. government. I can't say I'm surprised by this but still, for those Japanese Americans who were American citizens and didn't support the attack on Pearl Harbor, or other actions by the Japanese government, they're mistreatment was very unfortunate and undeserved.

My adoptive father, among the many "war" stories he told me, said that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor galvanized, and enraged, American people like NOTHING else he'd ever seen. Every adult American, both male and female and able bodied, was expected to either join the military in order to fight or work in support of the war(my adoptive mother worked in a tire factory that produced tires for army jeeps and other military vehicles).
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Well... There was a Von on my last name at one time... it was removed and even so... it is still very german (Though I think the Von sounds cool... considering the times my grandparents were living in... I doubt it was very cool for them to retain it).

Yeah... that War (any war) was pretty horrific.
I still don't always understand Japan's motivation for what they did (any and all of it).
Germany is easy to explain... they had a "NUT" in charge... that much is certain.

But as to how this relates to Godzilla... I am sure that the Atomic Bombs dropped (on Japan) must have terrified the Japanese. I honestly can't image just how horrific it would be... and I honestly doubt anything short of a documentary could even come close to enabling someone to truly "GET IT". (and frankly... I do not want to know - I have a bad enough time just worrying about some maniac doing something foolish with one of them).

I can see where what happened could inspire a Monster film that takes its cue from the utter destruction of a city.
Makes me wonder if maybe some Japanese Citizens were not offended by this movie and the memories it stirred (cause it had to bother someone).

I am enjoying this conversation by the way.

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Ken Hulsey blogs about Tokyo's(JPN) Kachidoki Bridge, which was destroyed by Godzilla in the film Gojira(1954): http://robojapan.blogspot.com/2010/01/spotlight-on-kachidoki-bridge.html
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It's a very interesting article Armand has written. Very educational.
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This was a very interesting article. Plus of course a stand out scene from the original Godzilla (Gojira).

I think what Monster Island News is doing is a hellava lot of fun!

Speaking of that. Has some fan ever done "Rampage Maps" for each movie? or at least some of them?
Would be cool to know who hit where, what went down and where they went.
I'd say it is a dumb idea... but actually it sounds rather fascinating (Course you'd probably need all the Japanese versions to get it truely accurate).

Again that was a neat thing to show us.

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Rampage maps have been done in some form or another. I got accouple of those for Gamera 3 in one of my books. Also got one in my Godziszewski book. There are also maps in the Heisei Blu-rays from Toho.
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