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| Cloning-Should We or Not?; Science fiction is now science fact | |
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| packmule | Nov 13 2007, 08:50 PM Post #1 |
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The subject of cloning has been an intensely debated topic for many years and is also the subject of several science fiction movies including films like Judge Dredd(1995), Gattica(1997) and The Sixth Day(2000). Stem cell research, which could potentially lead to breakthroughs in the treatment of spinal cord injuries, is based on the harvesting of these cells from (cloned) embryos. It is fact that a sheep has been cloned(duplicated) and now, according to this article monkey embryos have been successfully cloned. Some questions I pose to the members of this site: 1. Is cloning an issue of ethics, simply either right or wrong? 2. Should cloning be allowed, under the cloak of regulation, in order to harvest these stem cells that show so much promise for spinal regeneration and spinal cord injury research? 3. Will the actual cloning of a human happen one day? 4. Will cloning of people, for reasons wholly unrelated to medical research, be a part of our not so distant future? 5. What are your personal views on cloning? All replies welcome. This topic, like other threads in this forum, should be free of one word answers. I'd like to see folks posting in the topics of this forum answer openly and honestly. Thanks. :) |
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| KexMex | Nov 14 2007, 04:25 AM Post #2 |
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Cloning isn't what I see as completely ethical, but I can't say it's entirely wrong either.
Yes, it should.
I am not sure, but I really hope it doesn't.
I don't think so. After all, what would we use clones for? Labor? They have feelings too, since we have. Why can't they have opinions?
I find it unethical and scary. I'd prefer it if we only use it for a few cases (See answer two) where it's highly useful. |
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| packmule | Nov 14 2007, 07:57 AM Post #3 |
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This statement would also describe my own feelings in the matter. I believe we cannot just ignore the potential benefits of stem cell research. That said, the method, and one consequence, for obtaining these cells is what bothers me. That's one reason I have seen postulated though I would never advocate this. |
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| KexMex | Nov 14 2007, 05:09 PM Post #4 |
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Indeed. It's simply immoral to create new lives for the sole purpose of making our lives easier. |
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| packmule | Nov 14 2007, 07:53 PM Post #5 |
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You use the word "immoral". I'm curious, how does an atheist establish what's moral and immoral in their minds? Just curious. Nothing more. I rarely converse with atheists which might explain my curiosity here. :) |
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| packmule | Nov 20 2007, 10:49 PM Post #6 |
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Looks like the morality debate over cloning may be rendered moot. Click this link to see why: http://www.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&...e&rg=blsadstrgt |
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| KexMex | Nov 21 2007, 04:28 AM Post #7 |
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This is the part that really bugs me. Non-Atheists seem to think that Atheists do not care about morals, which is as wrong as saying Hitler deserved cake. We don't follow a moral code by a tradition. Traditions get outdated. We use a cunning invention called "common sense" to determine what's right or wrong. For example, cloning sentient life is WRONG, a doctor going way out of protocol to save somebody is RIGHT. |
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| packmule | Nov 21 2007, 06:37 AM Post #8 |
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I understand. Two friends of mine, both of a Protestant Christian faith, have made statements to me, many times, slamming atheists as being "un-Godly". When I asked them to specify they both said they believed atheists to be lacking, though not completely absent of, morals. I found this statement by them to be judgmental and, honestly, kind of outrageous. |
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| KexMex | Nov 21 2007, 10:31 AM Post #9 |
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I can tell that I probably wouldn't get along with these two. <_< I can't see why I need a book to tell me "Don't do this" or "Don't do that". Like I said, it's common sense. Through common sense I can tell that firing an employee because of a bad day is bad. Likewise, my common sense is tingling whenever I would imagine pushing people over cliffs. Not even if I have a gain in it does it have to be right. Ironically, those who cause the most immoral acts are often religious... http://www.godhatesfags.com http://www.godhatesamerica.com http://www.smellthebrimstone.com http://www.godhatessweden.com http://www.godhatescanada.com http://www.priestsrapeboys.com http://www.thesignsofthetimes.net http://www.americaisdoomed.com http://www.godhatesireland.com NOTE: I ADVISE AGAINST ACTUALLY ENTERING THESE WEBSITES. If you wish, don't say you weren't warned. ...These are the works of an immoral man actively promoting his religious belief. Now tell me who has the right to judge. And before you think so, no, I'm not really enraged, Mr. Packmule. 
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| Johnny Rod | Nov 21 2007, 02:15 PM Post #10 |
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Should we do cloning? No, no, and... no! The only thing I agree with is creating plants/vegetables through cloning, this can stop a lot of hunger. I also agree with attempting to clone utilizing DNA from extinct species, e.g. mamooth sperm was found recently and there were talks about creating an animal using the sperm of a mamooth and the egg of an elephant. I think that's okay as long as it's done for scientific purposes only and not to exploit the poor animals. |
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| packmule | Nov 21 2007, 06:53 PM Post #11 |
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I see. What scientific purposes, regarding the cloning of animals?  Agreed. :) |
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| Johnny Rod | Nov 22 2007, 09:57 PM Post #12 |
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I don't want animals to be cloned, but if DNA from an extinct species could be used to recreate that animal I think it might be okay. |
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| packmule | Nov 23 2007, 04:26 AM Post #13 |
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I feel likewise but I wonder, still, why scientists would want to "recreate" these animals? For what reason?
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| KexMex | Nov 23 2007, 06:43 AM Post #14 |
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In some cases, their extinction is possibly our fault. This would be a way to at least try and make it right again, even if it won't be really the same thing as it was. Besides, science has always been amazed at being able to say "look what we can do". :) |
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| packmule | Nov 23 2007, 11:42 AM Post #15 |
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I can see the logic in what you're saying Kex but assuming that's the reason would scientists still be motivated to do this, even if the species provided nothing more than tangible proof of its own existence? Agreed. Actually I believe you would, because both guys are very affable, polite and respectful, provided the conversation does not involve religion. Neither of these two has ever been pushy regarding their own beliefs to the point of rabidity or something akin to the flamboyant and fiery speeches you see from some of the televangelists on TV nowadays. They do, however, send me(by mail) books and copied magazine articles from time to time. I tell them: no more books because I'm running out of shelf space. 
I don't believe any man has a right to judge another, if that's what you were asking. I've never considered you enraged. I've always considered you to be, considering your young age, refreshingly intellectually inclined...Mr. KexMex. In saying that I am NOT implying that those in their teenaged years and early twenties are not but in my experience most young people I have encountered on the web seem more preoccupied with clothes, the latest trends in music and fashion, movies, video games and either getting a job or keeping the one they have. And all of these things are alright too. You remind me of several individuals whose posts I have read from time to time, mostly Inferno Rodan from TK. The difference is you post without the excess of sarcasm and inflammatory rhetoric so prevalent in IR's posts. thumbs up |
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