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| Cloning-Should We or Not?; Science fiction is now science fact | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 13 2007, 08:50 PM (899 Views) | |
| packmule | Jan 17 2008, 10:10 PM Post #16 |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080117/ap_on_sc/cloned_embryos I wonder how long it will be before people can pay to have themselves cloned? 
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| Cr1 | Feb 6 2008, 03:09 PM Post #17 |
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yeah i would only rarely recommend using it , as it could be scary lol :o |
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| packmule | Feb 10 2008, 07:27 AM Post #18 |
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Here's a link I found that touches on the ethics of cloning: http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Huma...i/cloning.shtml |
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| jae | Feb 11 2008, 06:10 AM Post #19 |
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I think it should only be allowed for use for replacement of organs but one a concious being is produced that seems to me way to dangerous. |
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| packmule | Feb 11 2008, 07:57 AM Post #20 |
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I'm inclined to agree. Harvesting vital organs for organ transplants in those in need of these seems like a noble endeavor...until one realizes the potential cost: the life of a human being, even one artificially created. Speaking of which, and Kex I'd be interested in your reply to this: is a human life resultant from natural conception and childbirth more important than that of a human life created artificially, in a test tube?
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| jae | Feb 11 2008, 08:52 AM Post #21 |
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Hmm an interesting thought some people say that test tube reproduction is un natural and should not be allowed if you can not have children in the way nature intended the you don't have children. However is that entirely fair on the people for whatever reason can not have children? |
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| packmule | Feb 12 2008, 07:02 AM Post #22 |
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Which is why I am not against those couples unable to produce a child by natural conception using artificial means(artificial insemination) in order to have one. ;) |
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| jae | Feb 12 2008, 07:47 AM Post #23 |
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Now that is an interesting thought, would you have it done if you were about to die?? |
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| packmule | Feb 12 2008, 07:50 AM Post #24 |
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No. I have, I believe, one life to live, physically, here on Earth, and no more. Cloning myself would be only an attempt, IMO, at a continuation of me here among the living. When my time is up, well, that's it. My time is up. ;) |
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| G2Kmaster | Sep 16 2008, 05:13 PM Post #25 |
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I say we shouldn't. No because that is God's power we are trampling on, but like that film The Island, if we do mae clones, we are saddly going to most probrably use them for the wrong reasons. Heck, using them is a wrong enough reason. People would just not treat them like human beings. And think about if someone has a twin and a clone at the same time? |
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| crowmagnumman | Sep 16 2008, 05:27 PM Post #26 |
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I don't approve of cloning complete human beings. Cloning dinosaurs? Yeah, I'm all for that. Not like it will ever happen, but I'm all for bringing back any extinct species. Although considering how different Earth's atmosphere is today, it might not be that good for the dinosaurs. Now if we use cloning to help create new body parts for a dying person, that would be fine. But nothing huge. Just stuff like internal organs, eyes, etc. I don't want cloning to result in copies of other people, albeit at different ages and different memories. It still seems wrong to me. |
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| packmule | Sep 16 2008, 05:59 PM Post #27 |
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But if the dinos are able to adapt much like they did in the "Jurassic Park" films then it might not be too good for us humans. 
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| crowmagnumman | Sep 16 2008, 06:09 PM Post #28 |
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Haha.  Good call.
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| crow_t_robot | Sep 19 2008, 12:24 AM Post #29 |
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I find that there's a general taboo about cloning due to the misconception that there would be another EXACT copy of you. With your looks, your DNA, your memories and could steal your life. Other than the DNA that would all be false (with current cloning for now and the foreseeable future). Identical twins are actually the exact same thing we did with "Dolly" the sheep. As identical twins grow up they begin taking very drastic physical and psychological changes, they even have different fingerprints and height by teenage years. So the idea of a full on human clone doesn't really freak me out. It just seems unnecessary beyond replicating what nature already does. I sincerely doubt we would end up with "cloning farms" and "spare part" people any more than parents sell off one of their twins. But then again why would we clone in this manner anyway? So the full human clone almost seems like a moot point. Until you get into the stem cell and cloning individual parts discussion. That seems to have real need and practicality. I could really see this as the breaking point for taboo. At this point you could treat your body like a car and replace parts and extend life expectancy by large amounts when perfected. This study I am 100% for, beyond any unethical procedures or methods. I just find there's a big no no in everyone's head when you say cloning because immediately they thing of clone farms, clone armies and Hitler clones. At this point we cannot clone memories, create EXACT copies and mass produce people in storage facilities and create autonomous robot like workers and there is no evidence saying we can or will in the future either. As a computer programmer whenever I mention Artificial Intelligence, I get a laugh that everyone's first thought is of Terminator and Skynet becoming self aware and destroying the world. Sorry, Artificial Intelligence is really a smarty pants way of saying "tricking a person into thinking that a computer that understands only On and Off isn't scripted by code but it really is". There's no reasoning going on in there at all, it's just taking in the input it gets and doing what the programmer scripted for it to do in that situation. Anything is possible, but I find people tend to believe hollywood movies before looking into it itself. We might hit the Scifi ideas of clones or even AI, and I'm not doubtful we will in the next 100 years, but you just have to look at it like this: A good person (country) will buy one of the most destructive things in the world, a gun, to just have fun with target practice, a bad person can turn a plastic spoon into a weapon just by sharpening it. Whatever good that can be made will, and whatever bad might also. It just depends on which person gets there first and sets the bar. |
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| G2Kmaster | Sep 19 2008, 08:37 PM Post #30 |
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Not really. Technicaly speaking, we could build a mecha-godzilla type robot if there was an escape. The MSF-3 Kiryu mechagodzilla is the best for this, just replace the masers with tank-piercing rounds. |
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