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| Do You Believe In An Afterlife?; Does God exist? | |
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| packmule | Nov 13 2007, 09:05 PM Post #1 |
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Do you believe in the afterlife? Does some one await you after you pass away? This question ties in, I think, with another question: do you believe in God? Feel free to expunge on your answer. I want to encourage anyone and everyone to share your beliefs here. I'm interested in what the members of this site have to say. Topics including and/or about religion can be a sore point for some. I would like to encourage everyone who participates in this thread to be respectful of other's opinions. Thanks. Thread starter: my beliefs fall into the category of agnostic. I'll elaborate on that later. :) |
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| KexMex | Nov 14 2007, 04:20 AM Post #2 |
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I'm quite strictly Atheist, and I don't believe in God in any of his forms, the Hindu gods or any other. I also don't, as you might expect, believe in any Afterlife. It's quite depressing really. Some say that this makes what we do on Earth completely meaningless, but I can't agree. It makes what we do on Earth mean so much more, given that we only have this time to do it. |
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| packmule | Nov 14 2007, 08:02 AM Post #3 |
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Have you been an atheist your entire life Kex? Or was it something you adopted as a belief recently? Myself, I have considered the possibility that there is no god, and that I am nothing more than an organic being with one physical existence. As you said, Kex, that thought is depressing. One other question, Kex: what specifically influenced your atheism? Was it reading up on the subject? Other? |
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| KexMex | Nov 14 2007, 05:07 PM Post #4 |
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It came when I simply started thinking about logic. I've been influenced all my life with Christianity, and my two first schools (out of three :D ) almost tried to force it on me. It didn't work, since I found no sense in the Christian beliefs. Not in any other beliefs either. It just sort of came, that is.
Am I not terribly perceptive?
I sort of explained it before, didn't I? faster <!--emo&shifty eyes-->  <!--endemo-->
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| packmule | Nov 14 2007, 07:58 PM Post #5 |
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Yes. basically you rejected what your schools tried to impose you. I knew an atheist in college who told me, when I asked him how he had arrived at his belief that there is no God, answered that after reading various books on Christianity he had come to the conclusion that religion, all religion, is absurd. |
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| KexMex | Nov 15 2007, 04:20 AM Post #6 |
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I agree with him. |
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| packmule | Nov 15 2007, 07:33 AM Post #7 |
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How do you use logic to come to the conclusion that there is no God? Now, from what I understand, many atheists(and I'm not saying necessarily you) have used the argument that if there is a God then there would not be so much tragedy and cruelty in our world. I have heard an atheist tell me that he simply doesn't believe in God because he has seen no physical evidence that God exists. Those who do believe in God often counter that we cannot prove he doesn't exist...and that that is reason enough to at least be open to the possibility that he does. As for why I'm not an atheist, I can give no clear, defined answer. I have asked myself, many times, if I can accept, in my mind and heart, that there is no God. I just cannot live with that belief. I have had this feeling my entire life, that there is something more to me than just a physical being, and one whose existence is permanently ended at death. As for God I just have this sense that there's something of a higher power waiting for me after I die. Obviously I can't support my position with any facts. It's just a feeling I've had since as far back as I can remember. I may turn out to be wrong. I hope not. There may come a day when I become an atheist. Every year I get a little more hard hearted about life in general, a little more "jaded", as a friend of mine who feels similarly has said in describing himself. :( |
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| KexMex | Nov 15 2007, 01:46 PM Post #8 |
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I can't support my Atheist belief with facts, but I have nothing in particular to prove while my counterpart, the Christians, have God to prove, which they in turn have no actual proof for other than their own belief. Unfortunately I'm a poor, poor debater. |
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| packmule | Nov 15 2007, 07:38 PM Post #9 |
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Well, if it's any consolation debate is not what I strive for when we have these conversations, Kex: just an exchange of ideas and opinions. :) A friend of mine, and a PT counselor at his church, is a member of a non-denominational church. He wants me to start attending services with him but I have been putting it off. Hell, I haven't been inside any church since 1992. 
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| Johnny Rod | Nov 17 2007, 06:42 PM Post #10 |
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Well, to be honest I don't know what to think. I don't actually believe in God, or any gods for that matter. But afterlife... I hope there is one, providing it's not reincarnation! I'd hate to lose all my memory. Anyway, as I say, there's probably a bigger chance of Godzilla existing than there is of any of this religious stuff existing. I don't see the point of religion, let's see if anyone can name a war that wasn't in any way caused by people believing in different gods/religions. But then I don't believe in the "Big Bang" theory either. I think the problem is that the human mind just can't understand. It's like that thing they say: "what came first? The chicken or the egg? Humans will be puzzled by this forever, I'm puzzled by it, I'm puzzled by everything that exists. Why is it there? Why does it do what it does? Do you know that according to classic aerodynamics it is impossible for a bumblebee to fly? Yet it still does. That's the answer to everything, people are just unable to understand. Here's another sub-topic for you: "Do you believe in the Astral Plane?" |
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| packmule | Nov 17 2007, 10:47 PM Post #11 |
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How then do you think the universe got started? Or maybe you think it has just always existed?
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| Johnny Rod | Nov 19 2007, 12:18 PM Post #12 |
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There you go Packmule! :lol: That's human logic, to be honest I really don't know how it was made. I don't think humans will ever understand. Even if there was such a thing as the big bang, how can you explain an explosion out of nothing? Explosions need to be caused by somthing, how can there be a big bang if there was nothing there in the first place? I bet you'll be thinking about that now. What if our Universe is just a mole on some other creature's back? What if that creature lives in another universe? What if each and everyone of us represents a galaxy for millions of other "beyond microscopic" beings? The meaning of life is too much of a complicated subject for me to go into, nobody will ever know why we're here or how we got here, and therefore nobody will ever know if God really exists or not, or if he/she (both/none) ever existed? If God DID exist, then who created God? God is a living being, he wouln't just appear out of nowhere, or would he? Another weird mistery is "The Astral Plane", do you believe in it Packmule? |
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| packmule | Nov 19 2007, 07:34 PM Post #13 |
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I'd have to know what it is first...before I can answer that question intelligently.  I've heard the words "astral plane" before but I do not know how to define these two words when they are used together. I'll research this and get back to you about it. :) I can't...explain it that is. Good question. I have thought about this, but not too often. It gives me a headache otherwise.  This reminds me of that cat in the movie Men In Black(1997), that had a tiny globe around its neck attached to its collar. Inside that small gum ball sized globe was an entire galaxy. I'm inclined to agree with this but I've got two people(Christians) who still doggedly argue their case for believing in God and Jesus Christ. Speaking of which, I once encountered, at the CHUD.com forums last year, an individual who insisted he was Jesus Christ. He PM'd a lot of people making this claim. I told him he was a kook and added him to my "block PM" list at that site. I don't post there anymore-haven't for a long time now. Too many people at the CHUD forums not playing with a full deck. I'm going to ask this Christian friend of mine that question while I'm at his house this Friday cleaning up his yard. |
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| Johnny Rod | Nov 20 2007, 01:59 PM Post #14 |
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It's pretty much, the realm of dreams. It is said that while you sleep your mind gets sepparated from your body and is free to explore other dimensions, etc. Apparently the Astral Plane can also be entered through meditation. Again, this is just one of those things that COULD possibly exist, but, as of yet cannot be prooved.
Yeah, same here, although I'm fascinated by the subject.
In fact, there was also a scene like that in "Men In Black 2". But I think it's true, if it takes about 1.000.000 bacteria to fill the head of a needle just imagine how many worlds there must be out there.
I hate it when people argue about something they think exists, you have to keep an open mind, always consider the possibility of something existing... but only believe what you see.
Yes, a kook indeed. Mr Green Kind of reminds me of that guy who was once appearing on Television. I forget his name, then again, wouln't want to remember it. Do you remember? "Ah hav the powwaaa!!!" dancing cheeky smiley
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| packmule | Nov 20 2007, 09:53 PM Post #15 |
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Here's one link I found regarding "Astral Plane": http://www.kheper.net/esotericism/astral.html Man, a lot of the text in this link is going way over my head! shocked smiley |
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