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The Official "A Nightmare On Elm Street" thread; Talk about Freddy Krueger and the films
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I decided that Freddy Krueger deserved his own topic here. Mr. Green

Anyway I'm a big fan of the series, mostly because of the "Killer in your dream" idea since it makes it different from the other slashers made before it. noddy

The first one is a classic with good special effects (For the budget and year it was made), characters and soundtrack... while the sequels to follow were not as good as the first and lost the horror side (Well ANOES 2 is mainly horror but it was more disappointing the the other sequels IMO, ANOES 3 had the horror/comedy side and New Nightmare was the return of the horror), I still enjoy watching them. winky

Also Freddy Krueger is one of my favorite characters. FreddyK
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The only thing that seems good about this whole film so far is the guy playing Kruger
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What is it about Jackie Earle Haley you like? FreddyKK
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Well first, he has been criticaly acclaimed for his character in "Watchmen". Second, Englund seems to be in favor of him, saying "Jackie is not big, and I think that Jackie’s size is gonna really work [...] One of the metaphors [...] I’ve used for Freddy is a little rabid dog that just bites your ankle and holds on. [...] And I think Jackie brings that, with his own physicality, to the role, without ever having to work it a little bit. [...] He brings that naturally with who he is, which I think is really part of the way I see it." And I agree with Englund has said. Plus, I do not see why people are complaining about the make up in this film. Freddy has actualy - through out the films - been "healing" per se, like he has been loosing the "gory" look, that is except for films 3 and Fvs.J, they made him look gory. So him having that much skin is not bothering me that much, not to mention that there may be some CGI added to his face in post production. They added CG to Cloverfield and released in the trailer unfinished footage so, it is not bothering me that much. Plus, he seems to be able to play the character like his own while keeping something familiar from Englund's portrayal (I am basing this off of the trailer). This should be cool.

Plus, while it may be just me being fooled with the current need of remakes needing more gore and backstory, but I like the scene in the trailer with the older-teen girl about to burn herself with a cig. lighter from a car. That reminds me of some of the concepts from ANOES3 (my favorite in the series beind No. 1 and 2).
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NOTE: I hope Matthew is reading this since I would love to get his opinion on this. I just spent the last two hours writing this and I have learned some stuff…

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The Nightmare on Elm Street series - the last of the big three slasher franchises to enter genesis - was made in a time in the 80’s which marked the beginning of the MTV era, which ruined the ultra coolness of VH1. But with this came a musical revolution which helped out the end of the Glam Metal era and bring on the rap/hip hop era. But what does this have to do with anything? The NOES films - and slasher films in general - are usually engineered for teenagers. With teens - me being one - drugs, sex, and music are the big things. Movies are one of those things which the usual teenage movie go-er watches just to see what is hit (sometimes, you even find a teen who doesn’t know that the film they are watching is a remake!). But with teens keeping up with music more so than films, it became essential to have a popular band do a theme song for the film. For the “Nightmare on Elm Street” series, it could have started with the original film. In the original film, the song “It’s A Nightmare” by some unknown band was sung. But it was killed when “Freddy’s Revenge” took the “Halloween 2” rout and do a song which sounded like it was composed in the 50’s (it was, btw) that oddly enough synced up with the film. The real start of this was when the fairly legendary band Dokken was hired to do a theme for the film and had one of their songs used for a death scene in the film. However, this rant is just to the main theme songs the artists have made for the films.

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Dokken’s “Dream Warriors” is in my opinion the best of the songs ever done for the series. Looking at the band itself - which is one of my favorites - you got a good singer Don Dokken (who has worked with some of Rock/Metal’s finest, from everyone from the Scorpions to BOC, Queensryche, Dio, AKA everyone involved with the song “We’re Stars”) and one of the most legendary guitarists of all rock glory - George Lynch (that is popular opinion, not just mine; Lynch would later harbor an unnecessary hatred for Don Dokken). With the great duo along with Jeff Pilson and Mick Brown (I am not looking up the names, I have them memorized), we got a great song. The theme is a good one. The music at the beginning of both versions (the album/film version and the Music Video version) is eerie. The lyrics sync up with the film, therefore actually having something to do with the film. And last but not least having one of the best music videos I have ever seen (though this may be blasphemy, but it sure beats the hell out of Alice Cooper’s “The Man Behind The Mask” music video with Jason Voorhees). The only thing I could really fault the song for musically (I think I can since I have taken one year of chorus and a lot of music classes) is that some of the high-pitched vibrato parts sung before the chorus of the song is too easily noticeable that it is four guys doing the specific verse and they end at different times. It is no wonder why the song sprung up to No. 13 on the billboards and has garnered comments for later entries in the series, such as news reports on the trailer of the NOES remake claiming, “The 'Nightmare On Elm Street' Trailer Is Missing One Thing: Dokken!” (source: MTV News Room). And may I mention "Dream Warriors" was the only theme which single was graced with the art from the poster for it's respective NOES film.



With New Line Cinema AKA “The House That Freddy Built” wanting to fallow the success of “NOES3: Dream Warriors” musically, they had the largely unknown Vinnie Vincent Invasion (which would spawn no rock royalty except that it‘s founder is apparently an ex-KISS member) to perform “Love Kills”. Now, this wasn’t the only song done for the film. As I recall, the Beastie Boys did a hip hop/rock fusion song with Freddy rapping the line “It’s Just A Dream” (figure that one out) and some others. But “Love Kills” was the one which took center stage by utilizing a piece of the score for the song. The main singer - who I will not look up the name of - is just a dreadful singer. Don Dokken was experienced and well into his 30’s with a Dokken fan base already growing like roses. This guy, he is a kid himself! In his late teens/early twenties. I know that a lot of bad bands tried to copy to grain progression which glam bands like Bon Jovi and Europe had success with, but this is just dreadful. Though the bass/guitar lines are nice. On the topic of lyrics, I do not really see how they fit in with the film (granted “Dream Master” is the only NOES film I have yet to see) even though I keep reading synopsis for the film and even though there is the usual weak love sub plot found in most slasher films, I just do not see the syncing up. It is just a regular ballad! The most over done song form from the 70’s and 80’s. This makes the decision to even have a theme song for the film more obviously a money-conscious decision. It is just really bad. Though to whoever was in charge of the music video, I must give some credit for some nice editing and surreal imagery - from both the film and the set which the band uses for their scenes in what I dare call a music video. I also find it strange how the songs reflect the quality of the film. ANOES3 is often called one of the best in the series (no doubt due to the early involvement of W. Craven and has certainly at the present time has Lee giving tribute to it in his signature) while ANOES4 was the “Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster” of the series. But it seems that this worked, since “Dream Master” is apparently as of date the highest grossing NOES film other than the “Fvs.J” crossover. But I bet it was due to the catering to the teen/MTV audience. But the influence wouldn’t stop there, since it would also heavily influence the film’s plot also (check this review out: http://horrordvds.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=137).



For the next installment, “The Dream Child” one of the father’s of metal - Iron Maiden’s Bruce Dickenson (YAY!!!!!!!) does a song for the film, although he does it the same way Queen did “Highlander”, let the film have the music but do not released it on the soundtrack but instead on one of the artist’s own album. Bruce is solo this time, that means no Eddie to help him with his grandeur but the song he does - while not pertaining to the film’s plot as much as one would hope for - does pretty much sum up what I would think Freddy would love as a theme song. “Bring Your Daughter to The Slaughter” is awesome. I mean, who wouldn’t like that kind of lyric in a song accompanying a NOES film? Sure, the intro piece for the song is rather abrupt and lacks the good build up a usual song of his uses or even what “Dream Warriors” has but it is pretty good. Not to mention good sounding stuff with the instruments. It is really sad that there was no official music video for this song and it is even worse that for a song sung by the most experienced singer of all of the people who have sung a song for a NOES film got a Razzie Award. Plus it surely brought the 80’s heaviness that the last song “Love Kills” surely lacked.



For the first film of the Nightmare series not to have the title “Nightmare on Elm Street” while simultaneously also the supposedly last film of the franchise, rock legend Iggy Pop gives it a shot with the song “Why I was Born”. It is not that bad of a song. It is rather infused with 70’s funk mixed with early Alice Cooper (“Eighteen” is a good example). But the tempo picks up about half way through to a good fast rock n’ roll tempo, leaving it’s funk for the final 45 seconds or so. Though it is no wonder why this song was nominated for a Razzie. I have never been a big Iggy Pop fan (and it is not hard to see why, with him having a weird ass cameo in “The Venture Bros.” and playing an even more odd ball character in “The Crow: City of Angels”, both of which I have seen). While breathing fresh air into the series’ growing collection of theme songs, it seems that this song was hated. But it is still better than “Love Kills”.



For the latest film, “Freddy vs. Jason”, I am not even going to go there. Save it for one of the failed Crow sequels.

Overall, that is my disection of all the theme songs for the NOES films. Here is how I group them:

1. Dokken - Dram Warriors
2. Brue Dickenson - Bring Your Daughters To The Slaughter
3. Iggy Pop - Why Was I Born?
4. Vinnie Vincent Invasion - Love Kills

Listen to only good music kids…
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Oct 18 2009, 03:02 AM
I hope Matthew is reading this since I would love to get his opinion on this.
I thought it was very good, the only two songs I listened to from your list was Dokken's "Dream Warriors" and Iggy Pop's "Why Was I Born?". winky

However, I wonder why didn't you have the song "Are You Ready For Freddy?" by the Fat Boys in the list, if you haven't heard it, here's a link to a well edited MV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgOx7-z-lmg

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I'll look at it later. Right now I am finishing up my COTC fan fic (not to be confused with another COTC thing I am writing) and I am starting an a fan-screenplay for the inevitable remake of ANOES3 so I can have something to read for myself before they just ruin it. Though I have been aware of the Fat Boyz song and it does not sound appealing from what I have read (Freddy rapping? HELL NO!)...

Though Matt, since you have seen the films - undoubtfully more time than I - you must have heard the songs on my list. What is your opinion on the songs and such? Which one is the best, ect?

EDIT: Just heard the song, dreadful... Bottom of the list...
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Though Matt, since you have seen the films - undoubtfully more time than I - you must have heard the songs on my list. What is your opinion on the songs and such? Which one is the best, ect?
The I don't really remember them that well, since I haven't watched the movies for a hell of a long time. winky
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I see.

Turns out I finaly saw for the second time "Dream Warriors" today (youtube, the first I saw it was about 8 months ago). It was prety good. But of course this makes me think about the song "Dream Warriors". While looking for stuff which would help me find some information behind the production of that which I could make a alittle thing which I want to write. While I found some stuff (like Don and Jeff giving away anecdotes behind the making of the MV for DW while filming the MTV TV spots), I have learned that Dokken is releasing another "Best of" compilation album. Though unlike the other ones, this one is called "Vol. 2" and is going to feature a new remix of "Dream Warriors", making the third varriation to be official released (first there was the MV, then the slightly shortened but fuller album version, and now this). I shall anticipate this release.

"Greatest Hits Vol. 2" comming out this month.

SOURCE: Dokken's Myspace
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I found three videos on Youtube for a Bollywood movie titled "Mahakaal: The Monster", which is pretty much a rip-off of ANOES:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nix3FaWqxxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulxxbbeioD0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD6sC_PLn2U&feature=related
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Damn, looks very interesting. And yet why hasn't NLC/Platnum Dunes sued yet?

EDIT:
Got new Fan fic idea. In a simular move to what he did in New Nightmare, Freddy enters the real world. Except that he is going on a killing spree to all of those who have slandered him. AKA the people who have made the remake of ANOES and Mahakaal. Only Nacy stands in the way, but when her and her son are no longer good enough, they have to call in Patrica Arquette and the still living cast members who were the children in "NOES3: DW"...

A little cheesy sounding but some nice fan commentary can be snuck in and die hards would love it... It would be like the ultimate fantasy come true...
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Got new Fan fic idea. In a simular move to what he did in New Nightmare, Freddy enters the real world. Except that he is going on a killing spree to all of those who have slandered him. AKA the people who have made the remake of ANOES and Mahakaal. Only Nacy stands in the way, but when her and her son are no longer good enough, they have to call in Patrica Arquette and the still living cast members who were the children in "NOES3: DW"...

A little cheesy sounding but some nice fan commentary can be snuck in and die hards would love it... It would be like the ultimate fantasy come true...
Personally I think that's a great idea, sounds likes it should also have some comedy. smilegrin
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Yep, though it would only ultimately work depending on the reaction towards the NOES remake. Though I would be affraid that Healy would still play Freddy, but some voice acting from Englund could suffice, eh?

Oh yeah, looks like I accidently called Heather L. by her character name in the fan fic synopsis. Oops...
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but some voice acting from Englund could suffice, eh?
Yep, and also make the voice sound more demonic, like the voice from ANOES 2. Mr. Smiles
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Yes. Man, I am just one page away from finishing my COTC fan fic, this is certainly my next thing... Even though my fan fic usualy sucks...
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Even though my fan fic usualy sucks...
If you need help, you can just ask me... or Donny Winter. winky
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I would go to you first. You are more experianced with F.K.
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I would go to you first. You are more experianced with F.K.
Ok, I'll be around if you need help with Freddy. topper

Anyway, talking about Fanfics... I'm thinking of making a sequel to Freddy and Jason: The Challenges Of Hell. Mr. Smiles
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Awesome! That is all I can say right now...

EDIT:
Found this if anyone wants to photoshop a Freddy vs. Mahakaal thing...
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I found three videos on Youtube for a Bollywood movie titled "Mahakaal: The Monster", which is pretty much a rip-off of ANOES:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nix3FaWqxxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulxxbbeioD0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD6sC_PLn2U&feature=related
Jesus H Christ even the score sounds like it was ripped from ANOES(1984). Nono

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Anyway, talking about Fanfics... I'm thinking of making a sequel to Freddy and Jason: The Challenges Of Hell
How about a fan fic called Freddy And Jason: Jacked Up By Packmule? heyo
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Awesome! That is all I can say right now...


Yep, it's just going to have Freddy, no Jason this time. winky

Also, using an old idea I had a few months back, I might use the villain from Mahakaal: The Monster for my story. topper

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Found this if anyone wants to photoshop a Freddy vs. Mahakaal thing...
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Well I can't photoshop it, but I can make one using MS Paint and Photobucket. winky
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I got two things to say:

1. Looks like Mahakall predated a Freddy incarnation (specificaly this one, which until I get the real name shall remain as 'Hindu-Freddy-With-A-Mullet') wearing an overcoat. Poor New Nightmare lolz...

2. Finaly I can say I have seen all of the Nightmare on Elm Street films, excluding of course the remake and if you might want to - the TV series and Mahakaal. The film I had to watch was "Dream Master". Just like I predicted when I wrote a ran about the songs used to copy the success Dokken's Dream Warriors had on NOES3, the film was a hoot. It is like every other scene needs to feature a toned down glam rock track. Plus, Kristen from NOES3 is not potrayed by the same woman as she originaly way, so that was a disapointment. Then there is the too omnipresent one liners that Freddy says. I mean, it was ok to have them thrown around sparsely, but c'mon! Half of the jokes weren't even that funny. Plus, the way Freddy was defeated was just poor. I mean, who the hell makes a poem out of the last couple of verses of the "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep"? I mean, Freddy was defeated by seeing his reflection. Disapointment.

However, I do have to give some positives. Other than Englund's usual good preformance as the antagonist, it is nice to see "Children of the Corn 3"'s 'Screaming Mad George' do some of the SFX in this film. Truly he was better in this film than COTC3. Plus some musical ques brought back from NOES1 is a nice welcome touch. Plus it is nice to see Producer Bob Shaye make a cameo as a teacher.

Overall, the film is not what some told me it was. Plus, it makes most of the assumptions about the song "Love Kills" more relevent. Defiently not one of the more shining examples.

3/5

Rating of NOES films:

1. Dream Warriors
2. New Nightmare
3. Original
4. Freddy's Revenge
5. Crossover
6. Dream Master
7. Dream Child
8. Final Nightmare
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Matthew, how in the hell did you find this Bollywood ANOES rip off?
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Matthew, how in the hell did you find this Bollywood ANOES rip off?


The IMDB horror board. winky
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A nice tribute video to Freddy Krueger. thumbz up
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Nice find Lee.

I would also recomend this in relation to NOES and YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/user/nightmarecompanion
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Nice find Lee.
I posted the same MV on the previous page. boredd
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Oops. I must have missed it. Well, to put credit to where it goes, nice find Matt and nice re-posting Lee...
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Well, to put credit to where it goes, nice find Matt and nice re-posting Lee...
Yes, indeed... I'm happy that the second posting from Packmule got your attention. winky tongue-1
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And now a plot outline for the fan fic I purposed...

"The Nightmare on Elm Street Remake gets negative reviews. All of the fury of horror fans - especially ones with NOES - is what brings Freddy back to life in the real world (claws on hand and black overcoat included). Freddy wakes up after having a nightmare of his own (compilation of suck-u clips from Mahakaal and the remake and even some clips when he started becoming comedic. Making a hit list, Freddy’s hit list contains: Michael Bay, Eric Heisserer, Wesley Strick, Samuel Bayer, Jackie Earle Haley, Shyam Ramsay, Tulsi Ramsay, Karan Shah (guy who plays Hindu-Freddy-with-a-mullet), Y.V. Tyagi, Sayeed Sultan, Kafil Azar, Heather Langenkamp, and her son. Freddy starts killing off the people, calling the attention of Interpol. But regular citizens in the US and India are distracted by the quite similar deaths of boys and girls (age varying 10-15, both genders having murders while the girls are molested). However, the Nightmare on Elm Street fan base and reporters with Fangoria have taken notice of this. Some fans claim it to be the work of God, others by a cult of fans. Some think it is the right thing to do since people think it is a sign for Hollywood studios to get off their butts and make some original films. At the same time, Robert Englund has gone missing with law enforcement saying that it is kidnap. Meanwhile, due to her incredible story, Heather Langenkamp and her son are in a mental institution while horror magazines and tabloids still do reports on the events from “New Nightmare”. An Interpol agent is closest to finding out the truth. At a crime scene, we see that Robert Englund in wearing the iconic glove. Turns out that Freddy is doing what he did with Jessie from NOES2 (except for the need to come out of the body, I am talking Regan McNeil possession) - possessing Robert Englund since Freddy thinks Robert is the only person able to be his Earthly double. Englund is arrested, though somehow escapes authorities and starts coming after Heather and her son. In trouble, Heather tries to get in contact with Patricia T. Arquette in hopes that the most effective tool against Freddy in the films other than not being afraid of him - using dream powers - may save them after the onslaught that has been happening as of late."
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Oct 21 2009, 11:05 PM
Yes, indeed... I'm happy that the second posting from Packmule got your attention
Funny: your first post in reaction to the posting of the video tribute you posted earlier included the boredd emoticon...which doesn't imply "happy" to me. winky

Here's the post I'm referring to: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Monsterland_Forum/single/?p=8053044&t=16622

Would you say you were "happy" while typing this post out on your keyboard?
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Oct 22 2009, 05:15 AM
Would you say you were "happy" while typing this post out on your keyboard?
No, I wasn't since you got credit for finding a MV which was already linked by me on the previous page. winky

Now that I have got credit, I am happy. topper
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