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| KexMex | Aug 23 2008, 11:56 AM Post #1 |
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Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent in inducing a person to commit an offence which the person would not have, or was unlikely to have, otherwise committed. The above quoted from Wikipedia. Recently an online sex offender from Sweden was caught in USA by a policewoman posing as a 15 year old girl, encouraging the man into committing a criminal act. Although this man as been evidencelessly suspected a long time, he has not been caught in Sweden due to the fact that entrapment is illegal here. The concept is simple and works well, but there's the risk of getting the wrong person, and thus catching someone who otherwise would not have committed the act. I, personally, find it works well enough to be a valid practice in Sweden as well. What do you feel about entrapment? |
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| packmule | Aug 23 2008, 04:26 PM Post #2 |
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I personally find it works well enough to be a valid practice in the United States. I can see the argument(s) made against it but in the long run I still think a lot of bad people will get taught. This word "entrapment" reminds me of a "Cops" episode I saw a few years ago in which a tractor trailer was deliberately, and temporarily abandoned by its driver(an undercover police officer) in a low income neighborhood of a major metropolitan city...and with the trailer door closed but NOT locked. Other undercover detectives watched with binoculars as people opened, then entered the trailer, which was loaded with boxes of new DVD players, presumably to steal them. More police officers waiting in a hidden compartment in the trailer would pop out and quickly arrest those trying to make off with the electronics. My first thought after watching this: what kind of dent do the police make on the war on crime when they have to create a condition in order to increase the chances of crime itself happening? To me this whole episode of "Cops" smacked of entrapment... 
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| Black Angel | Aug 24 2008, 01:35 AM Post #3 |
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I believe that it is absolutely necessary.. because the observer, changes the behavior of the observed. Look at reality tv shows, I have no doubt in my mind, that some of the strange behavior seen on camera, is due to the fact that the person acting strangely, knows that he or she will be seen by others... sometimes that strange behavior is coerced.. (i.e. the Jerry Springer show, and shows like Blind Date, or Elimidate, etc..) but, in that instance, it becomes painfully obvious. If a person shoplifts from a store, then it is likely due to the fact they thought that no one was watching them, and that they'd get away with it.. but if they know that there are cameras, because signs have been posted throughout the store, then the likelihood of that person shoplifting, will be a lot less.. (mind you, this is not taking into account the level of that person's stupidity, or mental and behavioral disorders such as kleptomania..) People will act a lot different than they would normally, if they know that they are being watched. That said, the only way you can truly catch someone in the act of doing something wrong or out of the ordinary, is to catch them by surprise. |
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| KexMex | Aug 24 2008, 06:49 AM Post #4 |
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But that's not the thing, is it. Entrapment is the act of encouraging a crime, in order to catch a suspected criminal. Surveillance is something different. |
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| packmule | Aug 24 2008, 09:40 AM Post #5 |
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Let's say, Kex, that all those individuals who are caught in these "sting" operations have their arrests broadcast on the news, and also their arrests become known to their families and acquaintances: I would imagine the news of their arrest, as it spreads from person to person, would have a sobering effect on at least some of these people, which I'm sure police would argue is also one way of deterring at least some people from attempting to commit these crimes. |
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| KexMex | Aug 25 2008, 03:01 AM Post #6 |
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Obviously, but that wasn't the topic. Putting a nice bait isn't the same as telling someone "You know, that delicious pie over there isn't being watched by anyone". |
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| packmule | Aug 25 2008, 06:48 AM Post #7 |
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Maybe not but it is related to the topic in that it represents an often direct effect, both psychologically and physically, from the topic, that is "entrapment". 
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| G2Kmaster | Sep 19 2008, 08:48 PM Post #8 |
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This whole entrapment thing reminds me of the movie Minority Report. It revolves the arrest of someone in an unnatural manner, whether tricking them or seeing the future. While I have confidence it catches the right people most of the time, I do find it cold hearted. How? Because like I said, it is tricking a person.
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| josh TX | Sep 21 2008, 03:58 AM Post #9 |
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I've seen and heard of forms of "entrapment" used quite often, mainly in the large cities I've lived in, to catch street junkies. Often an undercover cop will pose as a dealer, then lead a potential buyer to a van where they are arrested immediately after they agree to a sale. A similar practice is used to nail people who buy prostitutes. While it seems like a noble effort to clean up the streets, I think in this particular case that police are just playing "whack-a-mole". Most of the addicts they pick up are small time nickel and dime junkies that are already too addicted to even care if they are arrested on a misdemeanor charge, hell most of them could care less if they lived or died in many cases. So the police arrest them, and they'll be back out on the street in two or three days. It just doesn't seem productive in this sense. |
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| packmule | Sep 21 2008, 09:43 PM Post #10 |
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I've often wondered if major metropolitan police departments use these "sting" operations, which usually result in a slew of arrests, to make their monthly arrest quotas. ? I know police generally deny there are quota "systems" in place but, at least regarding Atlanta(GA) I know better: an acquaintance of mine and an Atlanta police officer told me the Atlanta Police Department employs arrests quotas. |
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| josh TX | Sep 22 2008, 04:50 AM Post #11 |
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Quotas have always been an interesting and sometimes heated topic of discussion when it comes to law enforcement. I have often heard that smaller PD's and County departments will issue far more misdemeanor "C" and traffic citations than the bigger, busier, departments because of the fact that the smaller depts have less city funding to work with and rely on smaller payment based infractions and speeding ticket-generated income to pay for themselves. |
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| KexMex | Sep 22 2008, 04:57 PM Post #12 |
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In Sweden, such a practice would never happen. Not only is the crime rate so low that a "quota" would be unnecessary, but undercover police work and entrapment is illegal under Swedish law. |
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| packmule | Sep 22 2008, 06:46 PM Post #13 |
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Why is the crime rate low in Sweden? |
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| KexMex | Sep 22 2008, 08:15 PM Post #14 |
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Hard to say. Might have something to do with the hard-to-get weapons, or the fact that most people with no money get social aid. I don't really know why, but those are the most common guesses. My guess is it's something different. Not that I can complain. Additionally, I'd like to point out that we aren't crime-free. No, we've even had our own little supervillains.. but I digress. |
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