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| G2Kmaster | Mar 19 2009, 01:19 AM Post #1 |
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The Roman Catholic Church, while the oldest Christian denomination in all of Christendom, has recieved alot of heat. Some of it was adjust, like the Martin Luther creating the second oldest Christian denomination, Protesant. But some of it is rather misunderstood. One thing is something which I get asked alot (especialy since as of this post, I had I dream I was in Hell and so I am going to be alittle bit more pious) is "You worship Mary?" I would like to say this: No, we do not worship Mary. We do however, pray to her. Confused? If you look in the New Testement (which is the same in both Catholic and King James/King James - based Bibles) Mary, after Jesus acented into Heaven and the Holy Spirit asended onto the Apostles, Mary acended into Heaven also and was named Queen of Heaven. But unlike how it is in today's culture in which a wife owns the house usualy, God in all three of his parts still rules over Heaven and is still No. 1. Now, if people have any serious questions about the Catholic Church or Christianity in General, please ask. |
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| crowmagnumman | Mar 19 2009, 02:08 AM Post #2 |
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The Catholic church Bible includes all the apocryphal books, right? That explains it. I don't recognize those books as canon. They're too much weird, contradictory, bogus crap in there that makes absolutely no sense in context with the rest of the Bible. The Catholic church isn't all bad. And I certainly don't think all its members aren't true Christians. I'm just bugged at all the nonsense they do out of pure tradition. They took pagan statues and renamed them as Biblical characters just to get pagans to come in, so they could then get more money. The Catholic church, at least at one time in history, was driven by greed. A lot of their beliefs are just pagan beliefs and mysticism that have absolutely no Biblical basis. The Catholic Church is the modern-day equivalent of the Pharisees. They're more concerned with symbols, penances, and ritual than grace by faith. There are, no doubt, many Catholics who fit the definition of a true Christian. But I hate seeing the Bible so grossly misinterpreted and twisted to fit their beliefs. One possibility that I'm still considering is that the Beast and the little horn of Revelation is the Roman Catholic church. http://www.lightministries.com/id262.htm They seem to fit the bill pretty well. Again. It's not the members I hate. It's the institution. They've interpreted that we go directly to heaven or hell when we die, and that we either stay in heaven forever, or burn forever in hell. They base this on one text, that they've misinterpreted, when there are many other verses that say that this is not the case. "The dead know not anything." My time as a Seventh-Day Adventist has helped me to see how much people see what they want to see in the Bible. At least Adventists, for the most part, let the Bible interpret itself. They take everything in context. I do agree with the idea of a holy trinity. That's stated pretty clearly many times in the Bible that the trinity is made up of God the Father, God the son(Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit. And that while they are three, they are also one God. "When you've seen me, you've seen the Father." Sorry. Wish I had some questions. I don't mean to condemn anyone for choosing one denomination over the other. In America, it is our right to believe as we wish. But I will always be bothered by the Catholic church. Edited by crowmagnumman, Mar 19 2009, 02:14 AM.
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| packmule | Mar 19 2009, 07:03 AM Post #3 |
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Why have there been, regarding the Catholic church, so many priests who have been accused of, and prosecuted for, the molestation of young boys over the decades? Christian acquaintances and friends I know constantly reference the bible, quoting scriptures when discussing religion with me. I have asked each and every one of them to show me proof that the events described in the bible have actually happened. Thus far none have attempted to do so. Why do you think that is?  I once dreamed I sat down on a park bench beside a caucasian, dark haired and bearded man on a bench. The man, wearing a business suit, introduced himself to me as Jesus Christ. We had a brief, nonchalant conversation before I woke up from this dream. My question: is their any religious significance to this dream, within the context of Christianity itself, or was my dream the result of watching the film The Greatest Story Ever Told(1965) too many times? |
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| crowmagnumman | Mar 19 2009, 04:04 PM Post #4 |
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This is G2k's thread, so it's probably not my place. But I thought I'd try answering just for the hell of it. Some of those questions seemed more directed at Christianity in general than just at the Catholic church. I'm taking off my agnostic hat and putting on my Christian hat here so I won't just dismiss religion as hogwash, as I'm accustomed to doing these days. I'll skip the first one and let G2k try answering it.
Because your friends are not Biblical archaeologists. They have faith in the Bible. As stupid as it sounds, lacking evidence for something you believe in is the whole point of faith. Still, there is a whole field of archaeology dedicated to Biblical stuff. I may not necessarily believe in a God, but I think there's reason to wonder if many events in the Bible are based in reality. They've found a lot of interesting stuff. I haven't been into that for a long time, though. So I don't know where one would learn anything about it. Maybe the Biblical Archaeology magazine?
Dreams were given a lot of importance and meaning in the Bible. Many characters had prophetic dreams or communicated with God through their dreams. But the agnostic side of me is completely baffled by this. My dreams never mean anything. They seem weird and completely random, often having no bearing on anything in my life. It's like my mind is just a jumbled mess when I dream. So it's been pretty hard for me to accept that dreams mean anything. I guess if one was to try to extract some meaning from your dream, we could say that the fact that Jesus was wearing a business suit and sitting on a park bench next to you was significant. He does not appear as Jesus, in the sense that we'd normally imagine him. But as one who looks just like everybody else. And then there's this thought. Matthew 25:33-40. The Son of Man will put the sheep (good people) on his right and the goats (bad people) on his left. "Then the king will say to those good people on his right, 'Come. My Father has given you great blessings. Come and get the kingdom God promised you. That kingdom has been prepared for you since the world was made. You can have this kingdom, because I was hungry and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was alone and away from home, and you invited me into your home. I was without clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you came to visit me.' "Then the good people will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you alone and away from home and invite you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear? When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?' "Then the king will answer, 'I tell you the truth. Anything you did for any of my people here, you also did for me.' And then there's this verse. Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. So according to Paul, God says that in the last days before the second coming, people are going to start prophesying, seeing visions, and dreaming dreams. I'm assuming these dreams would have meaning and significance, having been sent from God. No way of knowing whether these would be the last days or not, but I'm hoping that we get to this stage soon. Because I'm gonna have a hard time believing in anything like this until I get some kind of sign. |
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| Sayf Udeen | Mar 20 2009, 06:29 AM Post #5 |
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Jesus [as] was not Caucasian. |
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| packmule | Mar 20 2009, 07:40 AM Post #6 |
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He was not, as far as I'm concerned, the person in my dream either.  I know very little about Islam. That is your faith, correct?
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| G2Kmaster | Mar 21 2009, 02:42 PM Post #7 |
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To Crowmagnum Man: Yes. Thiese books are however, kept to the Old Testement. The New Testement is untouched. Funny thing to add is that thiese books were in the Bible before King James I decided to have the Bible printed multi-languaged. To your second paragraph, I have not kept up with studying about the Church in general but you are right. That is part of why Fr. Martin Luther decided to start the Protesent reform. But, may I add, durring this an exorcism was carried out and turns out that the Protesent and Catholic churches both tried to exorcise the poor girl of 17 (I think, the age may be diffrent), and the Catholic Church's exorcism worked. The exorcisms were done days apart and in public. Yep, I would agree with this. This is proven since Catholic homes are more decorated with Christian paintings and crucifixes and such. However, Twisting the Bible is something I as a Catholic stand by you on. Raised as a Baptist and turned Catholic 4 years ago, I noticed this therefore my opinion is alittle diffrent. This is like how the Catholics thinking that the Bible should be allegory vs. Protestent says it should be taken literaly. I say both. You can learn from it like Gojira but it actualy happened like WW2. That Beast and Little Horn thing, interesting. However, I would say that some Catholics do not fallow strictly to Catholic-stle teachings only. I am a mix. But for the Church being Satan, I would find that alitlle "maybe" since Nostradamus, who is a famous prophet who predicted many things which are comming true even today, claimed that it would be the fall of the RCC that brings up the apocolapse. And I wouldn't dobt it. Muslims... For staying in Hell forever, I am sure that at some point we all go to heaven. God's rage and God's mercy has to tangle up and forgive the sinners (Hitler in heaven, Hell must have done a job with him before he goes to heaven). Nice. Never heard of that church. 7-Day Adventist. Cool. No you are not condemming anyone. In my eyes, as long as you belive in Christ, get Baptized, and have a good understanding of the teaching of Christ, you go to heaven. The only real diffrence between churches is how to pray and read. Sounds little on paper, doesn't it? Packmule: Apparently, I did not care to research this topic. I personaly think that since sex is becoming so intergrated into our culture that the priests are going crazy. Thoes who do go crazy do need to be punished. I think that is because so many things happened so long ago that some things just disappered. If you do watch science closely, you will find excavations which point out that certaint things happened. But something also to realize that part of Christianity is faith. You have faith that Elvis died on the crapper and not a goverment cover up, right? Well, have faith the events happened. Apparently I an not qualified to awnser that. Even if I wanted to, I have not studied what the church considereds miracles or dreams or not. If it was Jesus, feel good you have met him and feel good you experianced the next best thing to Stigmata. If not, you must realy love the '65 film. But I totaly agree with what CrowMagnumMan says. I belive in litteral and alegorical meanings of the scripture, and with "Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy", I would not dobt it was real. But keep in mind the possibility that it was just you. Sayf Udeen: Jesus racialy was Jewish, maybe black. But he can take the shape of anyone since he is Lord. But please awnser Packmule's question about your religeon. |
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| packmule | Mar 21 2009, 03:28 PM Post #8 |
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I do not consider the character I mentioned previously, and who was in my dream, as "Jesus Christ". A dream, to me anyway, is simply random images generated in the subconscious mind, and during REM sleep, due to irregularities and fluctuations in the brain's neuron activity. Nothing more. Where have you read that Jesus may have been black? Just curious. That's all. Sayf may answer or not answer my question, Evan. Just a reminder he's not obligated to. 
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| crowmagnumman | Mar 21 2009, 03:40 PM Post #9 |
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Hmm. That is an interesting story. I'd never heard that before. It's hard to know why some exorcisms work and some don't. The disciples tried to exorcise a demon, and apparently they failed. So Jesus had to do it. I think the idea was that they really didn't have faith in their authority, or God's authority, over the demon. So in the case you mentioned, I would say that the Catholic exorcists must have had more faith.
I guess it's hard to know for sure. I'm still not sure about Nostradums' credibility. But it's always a possibility.
Well I'm not sure how Biblical that is, but I must admit, I've always liked the idea that God will save everybody in the end. The SDA interpretation is that hell is not a literal place, but an event. Their belief is that when Jesus returns, the unsaved will be destroyed by the brightness of his coming. And that then Satan will be trapped on Earth for the next 1000 years while the saved live with God in heaven. And that then the kingdom of heaven will return to Earth and set down on it. The prophecy then says that God(or Jesus?) will release Satan and raise all of the unsaved from all of history and that they will surround the city. Then God lays out the entire plan of salvation before them. And the unsaved now understand everything. They weep and fall down on their knees, admitting that God was right all along. God gives them all a chance to join them in the city, but they all refuse. Then Satan mounts them all together, and they all prepare to attack the city. So God destroys them. Some will burn longer than others, apparently. But after this, they will all be gone forever. Then God creates the New Earth. And everybody lives happily ever after and all that. It may not be the right interpretation. But it's what I was used to growing up. And I know there are a lot of verses that back it up. But it is just one way of interpreting it.
That's a good way of looking at it. Although I think I disagree on the baptism being absolutely necessary part, I agree with the gist of that. If you get the basics right, like confessing that you're a sinner and accepting Jesus as your savior and all that, then by my interpretation of the Bible, it's all good. I was taught that Jesus wanted to save as many as possible, and that he'd look for ever excuse to do so. So I think that even if I don't believe in God at the moment, if there is such a thing, then I'll probably be OK in the end. And if I'm not, well then God wasn't God. |
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| G2Kmaster | Mar 21 2009, 07:56 PM Post #10 |
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To Packmule: But I am sure that is who you were refering too. I came up with the hypothiesis in that 1. the continents were closser togeather 1966 years ago and 2. Bethlehem is close to Africa. Though point no. 2 may be alittle obscene And I know that, that is why I said PLEASE. CrowMagnumMan: Yep, it is an interesting story. For the faith angle, that just proves my last comment with me saying that all sects of Christianity is equal - Orthodox Russian, Mormons, Jehova's Witness, and Catholics. You should look into Nostradamus. Prety scarry stuff. Sounds epic, right? If the Bible is fictional, it has to be the best book ever written. But I would love to be one of God's angles in that fight. Seeing Satan rise above me and we all attack his unholy armies. Baptism gets rid of original sin, but whatever uhhhh... let me think of a good saying... "raises your cross". As for God not being God, do not worry about that. God's "Jesus" side is equal to the OT God and the Holy Ghost sides so he should be forgiving since he knows that we are imperfect, thoes who belive in him that is. |
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| crowmagnumman | Mar 21 2009, 09:18 PM Post #11 |
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Yeah, I think I should sometime.
Yeah, I agree. If he exists, that is. Now that I think about it, if he does exist, I'm in serious trouble. Unbelief seems to be the only unforgivable sin. At least that's how I've interpreted it. |
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| packmule | Mar 21 2009, 09:49 PM Post #12 |
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The wording of that particular sentence IMO could have been interpreted by Sayf as more of a demand rather than a request. For that reason I included the "reminder". I don't talk very often about religion in general. I have always believed that every person's religious faith, or lack of faith(atheism), should be respected. For me that will never change. I am agnostic. I am open to the possibility of a God or some kind of being who is behind our world. I do not subscribe to any particular faith and never really have. I was compelled to attend church(Methodist) while growing up as a youngster and then as a teenager. As a young adult(while in college) I would attend church service with my parents out of respect for them because they were both Christians and only for that reason. I have an acquaintance who is ardently Christian. He wasn't a long time ago but had some sort of epiphany or religious "experience". When I have talked with him he constantly uses bible scriptures or other faith based analogies. This is one reason why I rarely talk with him anymore. I have always been a person who believes in science and in things I can see, feel and touch. To believe in the existence of something unseen has proven for me very difficult, if not impossible. I've been told to try reading the bible. I have tried and have failed to comprehend most of what I read. I have been told to pray. Okay, but to who? How effective can prayer be when the person(or thing) you're praying to is someone(or something) you don't really believe exists? I've challenged my Christian acquaintance to show me hard evidence that the bible is based on actual events and people. He hasn't, thus far. I'll say this: if God does exist then he is IMO an absentee landlord where humanity is concerned. If he's got a problem with me saying that then he'll obviously have an opportunity to whip my ass because I said it after I'm dead. There are those who say God doesn't exist, that we are organic beings with a finite existence. When we die that's it. We're done. The thought that this is true is, I admit, somewhat depressing, that feeling amplified by the facets of my own life that, taken as a whole, leave me feeling only disdain, sadness, regret, disappointment and even disgust. In the end the most honest thing I can about God is that, while in my heart I hope he exists...my mind tells me he probably doesn't. |
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| G2Kmaster | Mar 21 2009, 11:10 PM Post #13 |
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Well, I an not going to debate with you on this one, since unlike Goji I respect religous opinion more than kaiju opinion which is trivial. But I can see the logic in your words. |
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| crowmagnumman | Mar 22 2009, 02:33 PM Post #14 |
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You pretty much echoed my exact sentiments there packmule. If there is a God, then I don't see how he could blame or condemn us for feeling this way. If we are created in his image, then there must be a good reason we were made with logical minds. The mind is such a powerful tool. I can't imagine God wouldn't want us to use it to its fullest capacity. If there is a God, then he would have to forgive me for being skeptical. Edited by crowmagnumman, Mar 22 2009, 02:35 PM.
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| G2Kmaster | Mar 23 2009, 10:03 PM Post #15 |
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Ok, here is somethong CrowMagnumMan There are 3 ways of thinking: -Logic strictly by science -Blind Faith -Science mixed with Religeon God wants use to be logical yes, but not so logical to to cast out faith in him, especialy considering that some miracles and onimous happenings have been scientificly classified as true. If there is a God, he would forgive you if you, with your logic, did not belive in him. But before you die you have to switch to beliving in Christ to be saved. Logical minds are good. But without faith to go along with it is a waste of a mind. |
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