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The Official "Predator" movie thread; Discussion of the "Predator" films and also "Predators"
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I was surprised to find out that while we have a thread for the Aliensnarl Aliens Quadrilogy Aliensnarl (soon to be a pentalogy and later hexilogy jackazz ), there are no threads here for the Preddy Predator Preddy movies!

(and if they are here and I missed them, please say so)

Discuss the predator movies here. Your favorite lines, what you liked and didn't like about the movies, what you thought about them, the creature itself and it's weapons, and the new movie, "Predators."

Also, you can post youtube videos dedicated to the Predator, if you like.

PREDATORS RED BAND TRAILER! (I'm clicking red. Why the hell is this orange?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QWbgA5E6QU
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I'm actually taking off from work to see "Predators" when it comes out. I've always loved the Predator-franchise (and the 2 AvP films also) since I was a kid. I'm hoping in "Predators" that the Predators actually win this time...I'm tired of the main/star Predator dying at the end of the movie.
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The first Predator movie is among my top 10 favorite films of all time, if I were to make such a list. Predator 2 wasn't nearly as good as the first one, but I still like it. Hated Alien vs. Predator. Though the second Aliens vs. Predator was so bad it made the first AVP look like a decent film in comparison.

Predators is my most anticipated movie of the year. I'll be seeing it at the first possible showing. Hopefully it's good.

Already owned Predator on DVD, but I decided to buy it on blu-ray so I could watch it again in HD before Predators comes out.
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Hated Alien vs. Predator
Why the disdain for AVP, Gregg? Just curious. Mr. Smiles

I'm also a huge fan of the 1987 original, Predator. Great combination of effects, action and with just the right amount of black humor and one liners between the cast of characters. thumbz up

I like both AVP films.
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It's been a while since I've seen the first Predator, but as I can remember the only thing I didn't like about the movie was the guy spitting tobacco every five seconds during the first act of the film. Talk about stomach turning! vomitard

I found Predator 2 to be very good, as well. The epic bathroom scene where the old lady was about to barge in on the Pred with a broom was hilarious! As well as the "Oh Sh**!" look on the Predator's face when Glover gets his smart disc!

I found Alien vs. Predator to be flawed but fun. Sure the muscular look didn't look great for the preds, and the sped-up life cycle for the Aliens should have been explained (there was supposedly a deleted scene that never made it on disc which showed the Queen getting injected with steriods to speed up the aging process of the other aliens). There could have been more action, and I really wish that Grid had survived the explosion so he could be part of the finale (what's to point of making him a badass alien general and predator killer if he just burns to death with the rest of the aliens?) but as it is, the plot of the movie was solid enough and it was fairly enjoyable. The movie did nothing to betray the culture of the Predators, as many people have falsely claimed (even the very first story arc of the old AVP comics even has the main character team up with a predator) and the events of the movie could easily be covered up by the Weyland company.

Having said that, I think the movie would have been better if they had based it on the Ryushi story (see Aliens vs. Predator Omnibus Vol. 1)

I found AVP-R to be more than a little disappointing, however. The action was great and I loved the Predator and Predalien, but the movie as a whole just feels so weak...

Hopefully, Predators will be better than at least the AVP movies. It's a definete buy if it's as good as Predator 2.

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Hated Alien vs. Predator
Why the disdain for AVP, Gregg? Just curious. Mr. Smiles

I'm also a huge fan of the 1987 original, Predator. Great combination of effects, action and with just the right amount of black humor and one liners between the cast of characters. thumbz up

I like both AVP films.
Well, I hate to bash on a film you like. But I will try to explain without holding back.

Basically I hated the first AVP for the extremely poor handling of the human characters. Their only purpose in the movie was to die. The AVP movies are not in touch with the human characters. It's all about seeing aliens and predators duking it out. Predator, Alien, and Aliens were all great because the human/android characters were extremely memorable and compelling. I hated the female lead, and absolutely could not fathom her survival and alliance with the Predator.

A lot of fans complained about the pg-13 rating, the over-powered aliens, and the pathetic lead. So the directors of AVP-R took that to heart, and went way too far in the other direction. The gore and violence was now laughably over-the-top. I mean seriously, killing babies? Way to over-compensate. The Predator in the story is now much more capable and powerful, but the aliens have once again become the mindless hoard for the Predator to effortlessly mow down. An attempt is made to create more badass, memorable characters somewhat in the spirit of the originals, specifically Ellen Ripley and Newt. But it's a complete failure. The writing and acting is mind-blowingly bad. The cinematography is awful. Bad lighting makes it even worse. Not even the action works. The ending is as underwhelming as it gets. The only thing I really liked about the movie was the score, by Brian Tyler. It's a pretty solid effort. Way too good for such a brainless movie.

I guess that's kind of harsh of me to say, but it's just one man's opinion. Personally, I'm glad Robert Rodriguez stated that Predators ignores the AVP movies and serves as a sequel to Predator and Predator 2.

The AVP are a hell of a lot closer to what an AVP movie should have been like. Set it in space, in the future, with space marines. However, I'm not sure if that will ever happen. If Predators is good, I wouldn't mind seeing more from the same team. But in the least, it will hopefully end the franchise with some dignity. I can only hope that the same will happen with Ridley Scott's Alien prequels.
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Actually, Predators ignores even Predator 2. Only the original Predator is apart of the Predators cannon.
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Ah. I'd heard conflicting information about that, so I wasn't sure. Good to know.
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I have to agree about the lighting in AVP-R...it was pretty horrid. I thought it was my TV until I realized it was the movie. Both of AVP movies were ok, they definitely pale in comparison to both Predator movies and Alien & Aliens though.
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Going to see Predators today @ 11:25am est. I'll post my thoughts when I get back :-)
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Looking forward to it!
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Got back from seeing it a little over a couple of hours ago. Here's my review.

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Robert Rodriguez and Nimrod Antal made a pretty good effort to bring the Predator franchise back to its roots. For a Predator fan, there's a lot to like about the movie, and it's miles ahead of either of the AVP movies. The movie starts out with a lot of promise. After that it's a bit more of a mixed bag. The plot drags quite a bit in some places. I think the pacing is a big part of what dragged the film down. The original Predator had a much simpler plot, and yet never felt slow. Predators seems to have more going on, and yet it feels slow too much of the time. The movie is only 16 minutes longer than the original Predator, so I don't know if it's the running time.

I think another major issue I have with the film is that it's, in essence, just a re-tread of the original movie, and an inferior one at that. That doesn't mean it's a bad movie. Even a re-tread of the first film is a welcome relief from the abominable AVP films.

It's hard to really figure out exactly what's wrong with Predators. It seems to do just about everything right, but somehow feels underwhelming. I think the story just didn't really go anywhere terribly interesting. If anything, Predators is an effective apology for Predators fans. Like has been said in other reviews, the movie at least gives the franchise back its dignity. But in the end, it's just a "sufficient" Predator movie.

John Debney is a good composer, who's done some of my favorite movie scores. His score for Predators is, like most aspects of the movie, underwhelming but "sufficient." He did a score that sounds a hell of a lot like the first movie's score, which is very cool for fans of that score (like me), but it's too much like that score. It sounds way too much like Debney just directly copied it in fact. For Predator 2, Silvestri did an awesome Predator score in the style of the first, but one that also introduced a lot of new elements that made the score feel fresh. I guess Debney was just trying too hard to remain faithful to the original score, and weakened his in the process.

I liked all of the characters in Predators. A genuine effort was made to create badass and memorable characters. But most of them are just plain under-developed and under-utilized. Adrien Brody as Royce was my favorite character, by far. Casting him was a genius move. He fits the role really well. He gets the most development of anybody, but even then, it feels like they didn't do enough to make us care about the characters. The first Predator did a much better job of making us relate to and care about the characters. Each death was monumentally powerful and significant. In Predators, the deaths are just a bit too casual and unimpressive. The gore is there, but we don't really know the characters well enough to be shocked or saddened. The original Predator spent a lot of time building up the human characters as the most powerful and dangerous humans on Earth, not to mention the sense of camaraderie and numerous other character tensions and character arcs.

The Predators themselves aren't as impressive as I would have liked. Of course, it's pretty hard to make the Predators scary and impressive again now that they've been totally revealed in other movies. I think the CG here and there kind of destroys the grittiness of the film. There's a bit too much of it for my tastes.

I rate the movie at 7/10 for now. It's worth seeing for Predator fans. I don't know if sequels are needed, but I would mind seeing a couple more Predator movies from the same team. I think they could a lot better.
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Great review, Crow. Thanks for giving us an informed opinion of the film without ruining it by giving away the whole plotline.

Predators is actually really hyped up here where I live in Austin, TX because some of the films special effects were done in a studio here and Robert Rodriguez primarliy works out of Austin. Some of the local film reviewers were saying it was the best Predator movie since the original and the overall vibe seems to be that it's a success. Austin really loves it's local celebrities though so there may be a bit of slant on that opinion, but I'm glad to hear that this movie isn't total garbage and it won't go down lying in the same pit of filth as the AVP films have.
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Thanks. Glad you liked the review. Didn't know that about Austin. I guess that's where Troublemaker Studios must be based. They must be pretty excited about Machete there.

I guess I'm still trying to decide if it's better or worse than Predator 2. I do think the film was largely successful at what it set out to do. So I'm sensing there's this big sigh of relief from Predator fans everywhere.
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Austin really loves it's local celebrities though so there may be a bit of slant on that opinion, but I'm glad to hear that this movie isn't total garbage and it won't go down lying in the same pit of filth as the AVP films have.
I guess I'm in the minority who enjoyed the AvP films...no I don't think they are great movies but I've seen worse movies. As for "Predators" I thought it was a good solid entry into the series. The ending was predictable though which I didn't like. I hope they expand on the "Predators" universe either through prequel or sequel
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Austin really loves it's local celebrities though so there may be a bit of slant on that opinion, but I'm glad to hear that this movie isn't total garbage and it won't go down lying in the same pit of filth as the AVP films have.
I guess I'm in the minority who enjoyed the AvP films...no I don't think they are great movies but I've seen worse movies. As for "Predators" I thought it was a good solid entry into the series. The ending was predictable though which I didn't like. I hope they expand on the "Predators" universe either through prequel or sequel
The first AVP seems to be considered a disaster by many simply because it was PG-13, and while that isn't a very fair analysis, I think alot of fans felt betrayed. IMO, it is actually better than AVP-R after watching both of them a few times. I know alot of people were pissed about how the Predator teamed up with Sanaa Lathan at the end of the movie, and while yes, it was lame, it didn't totally ruin the movie for me like some. Still, both AVP films are a good fun waste of time but they are far behind the regular Predator and Alien film entries in my mind. Still haven't seen Predators yet so we will see how that goes.
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Yeah, though I didn't like AVP, I agree that it's better than AVP-R.
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The first AVP seems to be considered a disaster by many simply because it was PG-13, and while that isn't a very fair analysis, I think alot of fans felt betrayed. IMO, it is actually better than AVP-R after watching both of them a few times. I know alot of people were pissed about how the Predator teamed up with Sanaa Lathan at the end of the movie, and while yes, it was lame, it didn't totally ruin the movie for me like some. Still, both AVP films are a good fun waste of time but they are far behind the regular Predator and Alien film entries in my mind. Still haven't seen Predators yet so we will see how that goes.
Yea I was never crazy about the PG-13 rating but like both of you I thought AvP was much better than AvP-R but that's not saying much. I thought the young predator making Sanaa Lathan his "minion" was pretty cool but that's just me. The AvP films definitely are nowhere near as good as their originals though so don't think that's my viewpoint.
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I watched AVP-R last night on DVD. I had seen the last part of it on the FX cable channel and decided to watch it again from beginning to end. I was surprised at how dark(literally) the film is. I had to adjust the brightness setting on my TV in order to see the action.

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-actress Reiko Aylesworth is a hottie!

-the xenomorphs looked just like those in Aliens(1986) and sounded just like them as well.

-the film is extremely gory

-the scene where the Predalien peers through the glass at the babies in the maternity ward is creepy. I wonder if the monster did anything to the babies... loco2

-the scene where the Predalien puts more eggs in the pregnant woman gives new meaning to the term "direct deposit" freak out

-the cleaner predator, "The Wolf" is one bad ass monster winky
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I watched AVP-R last night on DVD. I had seen the last part of it on the FX cable channel and decided to watch it again from beginning to end. I was surprised at how dark(literally) the film is. I had to adjust the brightness setting on my TV in order to see the action.


Yeah, I noticed that, too. But just recently I tried watching it on my computer without adjusting the brightness, and had no trouble seeing what was going on.

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-the xenomorphs looked just like those in Aliens(1986) and sounded just like them as well.


Well, they aren't total imitations: Their jawbones are more streamlined and leaner. One of the things pointed out in the extras on the 2-disc DVD revealed that every Alien movie had some small amount of redesigning to the creature.

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For a movie, I guess. I was always more distracted with the monsters themselves to notice much of the gore.

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-the scene where the Predalien peers through the glass at the babies in the maternity ward is creepy. I wonder if the monster did anything to the babies... loco2


Come on, you know he did. They were so cute he just had to eat 'em!

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Abstinence: It exists for a reason.

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-the cleaner predator, "The Wolf" is one bad ass monster winky


A little over-the-top if you ask me, just like the Predalien in some scenes. But I'd have that whip any day. coolbeans And the shruikens... and the wristblades... but mostly the whip.
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I watched AVP-R last night on DVD. I had seen the last part of it on the FX cable channel and decided to watch it again from beginning to end. I was surprised at how dark(literally) the film is. I had to adjust the brightness setting on my TV in order to see the action.
Yea I've noticed that every time I've watched that film, not sure why it's like that huh?
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I think that you're thinking of Jesse, as played by Kristen Hager.
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Ah, sorry. I assumed wrong.
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I think that you're thinking of Jesse, as played by Kristen Hager
Who was of course a hottie in her own right. tongue-2

I liked how The Wolf threw down his gear and unmasked himself before his final grapple with the Predalien. thumbz up

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Ah, sorry. I assumed wrong.
No worries. big grin I'm just nitpicky I guess.

And agreed packmule. Very true. thumbz up
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Saw Predators on Saturday night and thought it was a decent film though not as good as the first Predator.

The whole time watching it I couldn't help but think that it'd be cool if this was an AvP film. The setting just seemed right for AvP IMO.
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This just-in! Rodriguez Confirms Predators 2!

http://movies.ign.com/articles/110/1108015p1.html
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Glad to hear this. I really want to see a couple of sequels with Rodriguez involved.
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Glad to hear this. I really want to see a couple of sequels with Rodriguez involved
Gregg, what kind of story line(s) would you like to see in the sequel? heyo
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Gregg, what kind of story line(s) would you like to see in the sequel? heyo
Well I think that the whole idea of the Predators as this unseen foe threatening a group of humans has been done enough. I think it's time to move on.

I'd like them to delve much deeper into Predator culture. Maybe send some humans to the Predator homeworld where they can fight Predators, and prove themselves as worthy opponents. Then I'd like to see some human characters go on a hunting trip alongside Predators, as they hunt some other type of alien life. Or maybe have humans get caught up in a war between Predators and some other race, or between each other. They briefly touched on that in Predators, but it didn't amount to much. I want the Predator culture to get much more fleshed out in the form of a much grander and more epic story with deeper development of both human and Predator characters. The bottom line is: Do something bigger, different, and more daring that fleshes out the Predators without sacrificing the emphasis on the human characters.
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