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The Official "Politics" thread; Discussion of politics and politicians in the U.S. and abroad
Topic Started: Aug 9 2006, 05:49 AM (1,872 Views)
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I believe this might be the first topic at this site with political tones. Do you think George W. Bush, the President Of The United States, is doing a good job? Please cast your vote and post about it.

Thread starter-my answer: I'm not sure. I'll elaborate more on this later. nod
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I don't really care...I don't really like Bush at all...I guess he is doing his job...

Yeah...I don't really follow political...stuff.
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I am also of the 'not sure' feeling. To be perfectly honest, I don't know if anyone could do any worse, I mean, the papers and the news is full of Bush Bashers, but with all that's going on in the world, I think Bush is doing the best he can. Not saying I agree 100% with all his decisions and I don't disagree 100% with all his decisions. I just hate seeing a constant bashing, it's always easy to say this is what we should be doing or that's what we should be doing, but it's always easier to sit back and pass judgement, when you don't have to be in the hot seat making all these decisions. I think the world since WWII has become a lot smaller and a lot more complex than anyone could ever have imagined it would be. I certainly don't want the title of President, so I find it difficult to do a whole lot of complaining.
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Although I voted for George W. Bush in the last election(over Democrat Al Gore), I was not really enamored with either candidate. To be honest Kimi my political views(the few that I have) are most closely matched by the Libertarian Party. I could go into some detail about what this Party stands for but I won't. You can "search engine" it and learn anything you might want to know.
I agree with you that George W. Bush is doing the best he can. I also wouldn't want the job either. My problem with Bush really comes down to one issue, and it's a big one: his justification for the Iraq War. The President used the presence of WMD's(Weapons Of Mass Destruction) in Iraq as justification to invade that country and oust Hussein. Now I know Hussein was a murderous, tyrannical, cruel despot, and the fact he is no longer in power is fine by me. The problem is that there were never really any true WMDs found-there were, to be sure, some chemical weapon shell casings and other accessories consistent with chemical weapons, but that was it. Either our intelligence was poor on a colossal scale or there was some bending of the truth, if you will, by our Commander-In-Chief, regarding the presence of these WMDs. I expect my President to be honest, 100% of the time, no exceptions. Here is where I believe Bush has failed, and it is a failure created entirely by him and the staff surrounding him, in particular Secretary Of State Condoleeza Rice. There has always been the grumbling as well that George W. Bush was a child "born with a silver spoon in his mouth". He is from an extremely wealthy family Kimi, his father a President and former Director of the CIA. His family has connections, money and power. I believe this helped "Dubya" get elected to the White House. If I sound like I am no fan of Bush then I would say you are correct, though by no means do I consider him the worst President the US has ever had. I sure would like to see a President that gives some kind of damn about working-class people such as myself. IMO George W. Bush is, regarding blue collar people in the U.S., totally clueless and indifferent. thumbs down
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It just seems like Bush is either unable or uninterested in dealing with domestic issues. I feel he misled all of us into this mess in Iraq and now, without an exit strategy, he's in over his head. What's with these gasoline prices? How much will it take before we tap into our reserves? Plus, the constant fear mongering (terror alerts, wire taps) is frightening. I feel as if we're losing our rights for the sake of security. I'm reminded of this great quote by Benjamin Franklin:

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

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Aug 9 2006, 10:32 PM
What's with these gasoline prices? How much will it take before we tap into our reserves?

I have read tripe in the newspaper by economic analysts implying that a move to tap into our reserves might come should the price of gasoline hit $5/gallon.

At this point the only "exit strategy" I think "Dubya" will get right is his own, when he leaves the Oval Office, to a fat yearly pension, and public speaking tours(charging thousands of dollars per speech). thumbs down
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Aug 9 2006, 09:39 PM
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What's with these gasoline prices?  How much will it take before we tap into our reserves?

I have read tripe in the newspaper by economic analysts implying that a move to tap into our reserves might come should the price of gasoline hit $5/gallon.


If it gets to $5/gallon it'll cripple our economy. Who's gonna be able to drive to work with prices like that? There'll be a lot of car-pooling, that's for sure.
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Aug 9 2006, 10:42 PM

Who's gonna be able to drive to work with prices like that?  There'll be a lot of car-pooling, that's for sure.

Indeed. There should be more car pooling in Atlanta, GA, Dan, according to so called "studies". Is there? Nope. As of last year 85% of all cars driven around Atlanta on the roads and interstates were driven solo, with one occupant. The bus system here in Atlanta, MARTA, is often unreliable and has been cutting service back on it's routes for the last several years(to balance MARTA's budget, which was thrown out of whack a couple of years ago by a large-scale case of internal fraud and abuse of $ within MARTA's executive ranks-MARTA took a massive PR hit and is still recovering from that public "black-eye"). For every ten cars on the road in Atlanta on any given day, between 8 and 9 are occupied by a single occupant. I know people Dan that would rather drive a half mile to the pharmacy to pick up meds than walk. Probably the same kind of folks who try to charge a bag of potato chips at a convenience store on their ******* Mastercard. I once saw a woman enter a BP and write a check for a pack of gum. Were the people of Atlanta light bulbs Dan, you can be sure there are a plenty of them around of the low wattage variety.
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And I'm living in the worst place for my views, Texas!
Which is alright-stand up for your views anyway!

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George W. Bush gets my official stamp of DISapproval.
He got my mine a few years ago.
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I'm glad that this community is discussing this issue so openly like this
To be honest there has been little, if any, discussion of politics at this site since I created it back in late January of 2006. I have gotten the impression that the active members of this board are not "drawn" to political discussions, though I could obviously be wrong about that. I considered prohibiting the discussion of politics at Monsterland Forums, but decided against that for two reasons: firstly I didn't want to eliminate a possible source of communication among the members of this board in it's first year, and when I'm trying to grow this site. Secondly, I believe talking about politics can be productive and civil, despite being on the "sidelines" at so many other boards as I watched disasters unfold, political threads turning into name calling and other ugly verbal exchanges.
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Jul 15 2007, 12:16 AM
I haven't been in on as many of these occasions, but I did witness two threads that were closed for this reason. In the first, two posters were talking about America and the government, and one of them ended up calling the other "a ****ing idiot". In the second, the "idiot" told the other poster to "shut up".

While what you describe is obviously bad, it pales in comparison to some things I've seen posted on the internet between individuals with differing opinions about things. After Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, and in the ensuing months, there was an atmosphere of rabid bigotry and hatred between black and white individuals at a Yahoo discussion group in topics about the violence in New Orleans and the Super Dome following the catastrophic devastation of the hurricane. The racial epithets thrown around by those participating in the discussion reminded me of dialogue I once read in a Civil War book(a work of fiction). freak out

Topic: do you think, Thilian, that "Dubya" will judged, historically, as one of this country's worst Presidents? heyo
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The kid (who had that same year told me I needed to 'fix my face' and asked me if I was 'retarded') was denying everything. He got shipped away, though. He was lucky if you ask me
I agree he was lucky. Someone who acts like this is often the recipent of an ass beating, by a person(or persons) that take exception to this behavior.
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In the locker rooms that same period, he'd attempted to set another kid's hair on fire for stealing his cigarettes
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He'll certainly go down as the country's most incompetent. He deserves to be remembered as one of the all-time most useless presidents, though
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Topic: do you think, Thilian, that "Dubya" will judged, historically, as one of this country's worst Presidents?  heyo

He'll certainly go down as the country's most incompetent. He deserves to be remembered as one of the all-time most useless presidents, though.


He will go down as the worst president. He's not doing a good job, he can't make good speeches and he is useless. I hate Bush.
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He will go down as the worst president. He's not doing a good job, he can't make good speeches and he is useless. I hate Bush
IMO George W. Bush's political career has been, primarily, of his old man's construction. I believe "Dubya" got elected to Governor of Texas with the aid of the political connections of his father, George Bush Sr, himself a former U.S. President. I also believe Dubya rode his dad's coattails right into the Oval Office. This man hasn't earned a damn thing on his own. thumbs down
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IMO George W. Bush's political career has been, primarily, of his old man's construction. I believe "Dubya" got elected to Governor of Texas with the aid of the political connections of his father, George Bush Sr, himself a former U.S. President. I also believe Dubya rode his dad's coattails right into the Oval Office. This man hasn't earned a damn thing on his own. thumbs down

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For anyone who may be interested I saw an article in the Atlanta newspaper today that said America's national debt is currently at a mind boggling $13.9 trillion dollars. Basically, that's $30,000 of debt for every working adult in the United States Of America. Who is ultimately responsible for this number? The President Of The United States. Thanks, Mr. President, for saddling me with $30,000 in debt. very angry
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IMO George W. Bush's political career has been, primarily, of his old man's construction. I believe "Dubya" got elected to Governor of Texas with the aid of the political connections of his father, George Bush Sr, himself a former U.S. President. I also believe Dubya rode his dad's coattails right into the Oval Office. This man hasn't earned a damn thing on his own. thumbs down

Oh silly, don't you realize he's just a puppet paving the way for the upcoming invasion by the Black Hole Aliens? dancing admin Call Godzilla!
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Oh silly, don't you realize he's just a puppet paving the way for the upcoming invasion by the Black Hole Aliens?

Well, I agree with you about him being a puppet...he's a puppet to his own ego and inflated sense of self worth.
Watching some of the Democratic candidates debate recently, a broadcast I watched only for about five minutes, I was disgusted by the all the "political speak" and other double talk from Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, especially the latter, who strikes me as the kind of guy who'd back stab his own mother if it served his purpose.
When I vote, Kex, I'm going to write in Alfred E Neuman on the ballot...or maybe Bozo The Clown.

Anyone curious as to my feelings regarding George W. Bush, here's my answer:
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That said, no, this president is not doing a good job.
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It's getting freaking annoying. All the liberal media trying to make Bush look bad for gain. I think the war on Iraq is exaggerated.
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I'm a McCain man. Just thought I'd put that out there. B)
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It's getting freaking annoying. All the liberal media trying to make Bush look bad for gain. I think the war on Iraq is exaggerated.

I do not think George W. Bush has done a good job as President Of The United States. Smythe, I'm not, first of all, going to to get into any wild debates with you over the performance of our current president. I know you approve of the guy and that's fine-obviously some people approve of Bush and some don't. I have no problem discussing why I don't like Bush, but I've never been one who likes to debate with others at message boards about any political topics.

Some things to ponder:

-9/11 happened on President Bush's "watch". Should you, as an American citizen, be concerned about that? I am, you can be sure of that.

-in 2003 our President invaded Iraq declaring that he was doing so because of the presence of weapons of mass destruction. The problem: there weren't any. Other than some empty howitzer shells that could have, presumably, been modified to carry chemical weapons, there were no WMDs.

-there have been numerous disasters within Bush's administration, regarding the American people, the most egregious being FEMA(Fedral Emergency Management Administration) and this agency's slow, and absolutely disastrous ineptitude at effectively helping citizens affected by Hurricane Katrina (the fallout from this lingers still) -IMO this is ultimately the responsibility of the president of the US

-the United States carries a national debt that threatens to de-stabilize our economy, yet little has been done about under Bush's administration

I can list other gripes about our president. I probably will, later. ;)
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I'm a McCain man.  Just thought I'd put that out there

I would vote for John McCain in the general election, this fall, over any Dem candidate.
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Although some idiots blame the actual deaths of soldiers on bush... <_< He didn't shoot them, the terrorists did... :angry:
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Although some idiots blame the actual deaths of soldiers on bush...  He didn't shoot them, the terrorists did...

You're right, but there are a tremendous number of American people who now disapprove of the Iraq war , and since President Bush is the Commander In Chief of our armed forces, and is the reason our forces are over there, naturally many people, perhaps especially many who have lost family members or friends(servicemen and servicewomen), will blame Bush, indirectly or directly, and right or wrong, for these deaths.
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