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Colin Kaepernick
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Mr Gray Aug 30 2016, 03:22 PM Post #1
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What do you think about his little "protest". I personally like this take on it:

[utube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq0_nyWVXCI[/utube]
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Are you mad that he's concerned about racism in America or someone sitting down for the anthem?
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What do you think about his little "protest". I personally like this take on it:

[utube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq0_nyWVXCI[/utube]
What has she accomplished. She can read the script and deliver it with rage. Toni is great when no one gets a rebuttal.7of
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Are you mad that he's concerned about racism in America or someone sitting down for the anthem?
I'm not sure where to begin and I'm certain you won't understand anyway.
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Are you mad that he's concerned about racism in America or someone sitting down for the anthem?
I'm not sure where to begin and I'm certain you won't understand anyway.
try me.

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What do you think about his little "protest". I personally like this take on it:

[utube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq0_nyWVXCI[/utube]
I disagree 100% with the way he is choosing to protest (not that he can't do it, just think there are better avenues to spark dialogue). In terms of the commentators take on it....meh. Just another sports media person expressing excessive fake outrage to make themselves a name.
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I think that, on its own, it's not an effective catalyst for change. So far, he's mainly just initiated conversation over the validity of "disrespecting" the flag and anthem as a form of protest, not elevated the conversation regarding systemic racism. As a person with a platform, it's to be seen where Kaepernick goes from here to make continued contributions towards that fight.

Regarding the act itself, I think it is a completely valid way to protest, and his logic is sound. The flag and anthem are symbols for the country as a whole. They're not the sole property of the military and the sacrifice of the men and women who've served. I understand that the military members have adopted those symbols as their own, and attached a lot of pride and self to them, but as Kaep said, they're also the symbols of the country as a whole that is supposed to offer liberty and justice for all, and that's not true.
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I think people are majorly overreacting to this.
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absolutely....but that's their right to do so :)

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I think that, on its own, it's not an effective catalyst for change. So far, he's mainly just initiated conversation over the validity of "disrespecting" the flag and anthem as a form of protest, not elevated the conversation regarding systemic racism. As a person with a platform, it's to be seen where Kaepernick goes from here to make continued contributions towards that fight.

Regarding the act itself, I think it is a completely valid way to protest, and his logic is sound. The flag and anthem are symbols for the country as a whole. They're not the sole property of the military and the sacrifice of the men and women who've served. I understand that the military members have adopted those symbols as their own, and attached a lot of pride and self to them, but as Kaep said, they're also the symbols of the country as a whole that is supposed to offer liberty and justice for all, and that's not true.
The thing about athletes is that they're not political figures. So while they're used to having their every move dissected, this is a totally different arena. I think what Kaep did was dumb, but there needs to be more praise for the fact that he actually WANTS to do something good. For years we lambasted athletes as being self-absorbed millionaires. Now we have many more athletes taking public political (and other) stances that have nothing to do with sports. I hope that the excessive criticism doesn't dissuade other athletes from speaking out about the topics their passionate about.

So I think Kaep went about this totally the wrong way. It was a stupid way to try and make a statement and he has been rightly criticized. But whether it's this, or team's wearing BLM shirts, or whatever, I think we still need to applaud the fact that athletes in general are more comfortable using their fame to try and do some good in this country.
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I think that, on its own, it's not an effective catalyst for change. So far, he's mainly just initiated conversation over the validity of "disrespecting" the flag and anthem as a form of protest, not elevated the conversation regarding systemic racism. As a person with a platform, it's to be seen where Kaepernick goes from here to make continued contributions towards that fight.

Regarding the act itself, I think it is a completely valid way to protest, and his logic is sound. The flag and anthem are symbols for the country as a whole. They're not the sole property of the military and the sacrifice of the men and women who've served. I understand that the military members have adopted those symbols as their own, and attached a lot of pride and self to them, but as Kaep said, they're also the symbols of the country as a whole that is supposed to offer liberty and justice for all, and that's not true.
The thing about athletes is that they're not political figures. So while they're used to having their every move dissected, this is a totally different arena. I think what Kaep did was dumb, but there needs to be more praise for the fact that he actually WANTS to do something good. For years we lambasted athletes as being self-absorbed millionaires. Now we have many more athletes taking public political (and other) stances that have nothing to do with sports. I hope that the excessive criticism doesn't dissuade other athletes from speaking out about the topics their passionate about.

So I think Kaep went about this totally the wrong way. It was a stupid way to try and make a statement and he has been rightly criticized. But whether it's this, or team's wearing BLM shirts, or whatever, I think we still need to applaud the fact that athletes in general are more comfortable using their fame to try and do some good in this country.
Kaep has the financial ability to do more than just sit down during the National Anthem.

I tried finding his charity work and the only thing I could find was his work for children with heart problems.
The reason for his interest in this charity? His adoptive parents lost two children to heart issues.

I want to see him take issue with all the minorities murdered in Chicago!
This month Chicago has the highest number of homicides in 20 years!
Chicago has more homicides than New York and LA combined.

He can sit, it will make zero difference.

Maybe he can donate to groups that help minorities?
Would be more beneficial to those he "cares" about than just sitting during the National Anthem.
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I think that, on its own, it's not an effective catalyst for change. So far, he's mainly just initiated conversation over the validity of "disrespecting" the flag and anthem as a form of protest, not elevated the conversation regarding systemic racism. As a person with a platform, it's to be seen where Kaepernick goes from here to make continued contributions towards that fight.

Regarding the act itself, I think it is a completely valid way to protest, and his logic is sound. The flag and anthem are symbols for the country as a whole. They're not the sole property of the military and the sacrifice of the men and women who've served. I understand that the military members have adopted those symbols as their own, and attached a lot of pride and self to them, but as Kaep said, they're also the symbols of the country as a whole that is supposed to offer liberty and justice for all, and that's not true.
This country does offer liberty and justice for all.
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The body knows what fighters don't: how to protect itself. A neck can only twist so far. Twist it just a hair more and the body says, "Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses." It's called the knockout mechanism.
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I think that, on its own, it's not an effective catalyst for change. So far, he's mainly just initiated conversation over the validity of "disrespecting" the flag and anthem as a form of protest, not elevated the conversation regarding systemic racism. As a person with a platform, it's to be seen where Kaepernick goes from here to make continued contributions towards that fight.

Regarding the act itself, I think it is a completely valid way to protest, and his logic is sound. The flag and anthem are symbols for the country as a whole. They're not the sole property of the military and the sacrifice of the men and women who've served. I understand that the military members have adopted those symbols as their own, and attached a lot of pride and self to them, but as Kaep said, they're also the symbols of the country as a whole that is supposed to offer liberty and justice for all, and that's not true.
The thing about athletes is that they're not political figures. So while they're used to having their every move dissected, this is a totally different arena. I think what Kaep did was dumb, but there needs to be more praise for the fact that he actually WANTS to do something good. For years we lambasted athletes as being self-absorbed millionaires. Now we have many more athletes taking public political (and other) stances that have nothing to do with sports. I hope that the excessive criticism doesn't dissuade other athletes from speaking out about the topics their passionate about.

So I think Kaep went about this totally the wrong way. It was a stupid way to try and make a statement and he has been rightly criticized. But whether it's this, or team's wearing BLM shirts, or whatever, I think we still need to applaud the fact that athletes in general are more comfortable using their fame to try and do some good in this country.
Kaep has the financial ability to do more than just sit down during the National Anthem.

I tried finding his charity work and the only thing I could find was his work for children with heart problems.
The reason for his interest in this charity? His adoptive parents lost two children to heart issues.

I want to see him take issue with all the minorities murdered in Chicago!
This month Chicago has the highest number of homicides in 20 years!
Chicago has more homicides than New York and LA combined.

He can sit, it will make zero difference.

Maybe he can donate to groups that help minorities?
Would be more beneficial to those he "cares" about than just sitting during the National Anthem.
First question: what charity do you donate to or organization do you volunteer with? This isn't attack, just a genuine question. Maybe he has the financial means to do more, but a lot of people could donate a little money or a little of their time to make a difference and don't.

Second: a lot of celebrities start donating towards and getting involved in charities that relate to a personal experience. And a lot of non celebrities. If he's involved with it good, his motive is irrelevant.
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I think that, on its own, it's not an effective catalyst for change. So far, he's mainly just initiated conversation over the validity of "disrespecting" the flag and anthem as a form of protest, not elevated the conversation regarding systemic racism. As a person with a platform, it's to be seen where Kaepernick goes from here to make continued contributions towards that fight.

Regarding the act itself, I think it is a completely valid way to protest, and his logic is sound. The flag and anthem are symbols for the country as a whole. They're not the sole property of the military and the sacrifice of the men and women who've served. I understand that the military members have adopted those symbols as their own, and attached a lot of pride and self to them, but as Kaep said, they're also the symbols of the country as a whole that is supposed to offer liberty and justice for all, and that's not true.
The thing about athletes is that they're not political figures. So while they're used to having their every move dissected, this is a totally different arena. I think what Kaep did was dumb, but there needs to be more praise for the fact that he actually WANTS to do something good. For years we lambasted athletes as being self-absorbed millionaires. Now we have many more athletes taking public political (and other) stances that have nothing to do with sports. I hope that the excessive criticism doesn't dissuade other athletes from speaking out about the topics their passionate about.

So I think Kaep went about this totally the wrong way. It was a stupid way to try and make a statement and he has been rightly criticized. But whether it's this, or team's wearing BLM shirts, or whatever, I think we still need to applaud the fact that athletes in general are more comfortable using their fame to try and do some good in this country.
Kaep has the financial ability to do more than just sit down during the National Anthem.

I tried finding his charity work and the only thing I could find was his work for children with heart problems.
The reason for his interest in this charity? His adoptive parents lost two children to heart issues.

I want to see him take issue with all the minorities murdered in Chicago!
This month Chicago has the highest number of homicides in 20 years!
Chicago has more homicides than New York and LA combined.

He can sit, it will make zero difference.

Maybe he can donate to groups that help minorities?
Would be more beneficial to those he "cares" about than just sitting during the National Anthem.
First question: what charity do you donate to or organization do you volunteer with? This isn't attack, just a genuine question. Maybe he has the financial means to do more, but a lot of people could donate a little money or a little of their time to make a difference and don't.

Second: a lot of celebrities start donating towards and getting involved in charities that relate to a personal experience. And a lot of non celebrities. If he's involved with it good, his motive is irrelevant.
I give every week at my church.
Those funds are split to help local people with food and utilities, I know this as I am on the
committee that makes these decisions.
The rest goes to our regional synod and goes out to other areas, such as Louisiana to help
with those in need.
My spouse gives to the United Way, through each paycheck.
Also organize (through church) a program where we raise funds and purchase school supplies
that we offer and give to everyone who walks in the door. This is not need based.
I was a Rotarian, until I could no longer attend regular meetings because of work.
There are other things I do in the community on a volunteer basis.
Thanks for asking, and I not offended. :angel:

Now that Kaep obviously is so concerned with the injustices that take place in this country
I'm sure we will see him dedicating his time and resources toward them.

But I doubt it. Hope I am wrong.
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