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Colin Kaepernick
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rkl15 Sep 2 2016, 01:50 PM Post #46
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Alright, instead of deconstructing rap lyrics, let me ask this: Does a person's race or ethnicity meaningfully impact their treatment in the job market or criminal justice system?
Of course it shouldn't.

Does it impact their treatment everywhere in the U.S.? - I don't believe so, do you?

My question(s):

1) Is there a country in this world that treats all races equal? or better than America?

2) If Colin Kaepernick was born anywhere other than in the U.S. would he have had the same opportunities?
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Bringing up things like wearing pants lower, idolizing sports stars and adopting the rap culture more has nothing to do with anything other than pretty much making it sound like you just don't like black people.
I can see nothing has changed, then.
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Alright, instead of deconstructing rap lyrics, let me ask this: Does a person's race or ethnicity meaningfully impact their treatment in the job market or criminal justice system?
Of course it shouldn't.

Does it impact their treatment everywhere in the U.S.? - I don't believe so, do you?

My question(s):

1) Is there a country in this world that treats all races equal? or better than America?

2) If Colin Kaepernick was born anywhere other than in the U.S. would he have had the same opportunities?
I do believe so.

1) Maybe not. Does that mean we shouldn't work towards making American better?
2) I'm not sure this question can be answered even if we tried. If he was born in a country with free public higher education, maybe he's a surgeon right now saving people's lives. Yes, America provided him with great opportunities, but let's not pretend other countries don't have their own advantages.
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I'm sure a lot of those people complaining about rap lyrics don't mind singing along to Save a Horse at the top of their lungs....
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I think that, on its own, it's not an effective catalyst for change. So far, he's mainly just initiated conversation over the validity of "disrespecting" the flag and anthem as a form of protest, not elevated the conversation regarding systemic racism. As a person with a platform, it's to be seen where Kaepernick goes from here to make continued contributions towards that fight.

Regarding the act itself, I think it is a completely valid way to protest, and his logic is sound. The flag and anthem are symbols for the country as a whole. They're not the sole property of the military and the sacrifice of the men and women who've served. I understand that the military members have adopted those symbols as their own, and attached a lot of pride and self to them, but as Kaep said, they're also the symbols of the country as a whole that is supposed to offer liberty and justice for all, and that's not true.
This country does offer liberty and justice for all.
I disagree.

Non-white citizens are stopped more, seached more, arrested more, convicted more, sentenced for longer, subjected to more violent behavior by police officers, and killed more by police officers.

Unequal justice invalidates the concept of justice.
Don't forget:
1) commit more crimes
2) idolize rappers and sports stars more
3) wear pants lower more
4) adopt the gangster rapper culture more
5) raised by more single mothers
6) skip class more
7) on welfare more

5) is a biggie. But what does the left do? Try to convince everyone that being raised by a single mother is just as good as having two parents.

Kaepernick's behavior isn't going to make anything better. He will alienate more people, and polarize the country even more. I had low expectations for Obama, and am especially disappointed by his lack of transparency and tendency to take the side of blacks before knowing the facts.
People on food stamps:

Whites- 40.2%
Blacks- 25.7%
Hispanics- 10.3%

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938

With regards to the school skipping, there is a drastic difference in the quality of education provided to predominately black school versus predominately white ones.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5755a512e4b0ed593f14fcb7

Bringing up things like wearing pants lower, idolizing sports stars and adopting the rap culture more has nothing to do with anything other than pretty much making it sound like you just don't like black people.
Mongo, why do you think the quality of education suffers for blacks? Do you think there is some soft of hidden mandate or protocol to send all of the good teachers to white schools? We actually go way out of our way (and spend a lot of money) to do the exact opposite with busing programs...etc. It's not that America has a policy in place to provide poor education to black kids......so I really don't think America should be blamed for this discrepancy.
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I'm sure a lot of those people complaining about rap lyrics don't mind singing along to Save a Horse at the top of their lungs....
Is there a single word in the song "Save a Horse" that you find offensive?

I am talking about the language, more than content.

Yes, it bothers me to hear kids, pre-teens nonetheless, walking down the street dropping the F-Bomb
like it's nothing.

Does your school play gangsta rap at athletic events?
Or music with the language I am referring to in it?
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Just an FYI, "Gangsta" rap doesn't really exist anymore. That's like calling modern day country music the same thing as country music in the 50s.

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Just an FYI, "Gangsta" rap doesn't really exist anymore. That's like calling modern day country music the same thing as country music in the 50s.

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Thanks, I didn't know that, but now when I go to the "Record" store I will know
not to look for "Gangsta" Rap. :D
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Just an FYI, "Gangsta" rap doesn't really exist anymore. That's like calling modern day country music the same thing as country music in the 50s.

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It still exists Brian. We've just outgrown it and it's not as main stream as it was in the 90s.
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Alright, instead of deconstructing rap lyrics, let me ask this: Does a person's race or ethnicity meaningfully impact their treatment in the job market or criminal justice system?
If you're a minority engineer or woman, it gives you a slight advantage for many jobs. In the Seattle area, black kids can get away with more in high school, because they are trying to reduce the disparity in detentions, etc.

Now it's a fact that many minorities don't seem to have the drive to excel in academics, and I blame that mainly on the lack of family support. That said, my kids have seen fellow white students from rich families do poorly in school, so it's more than having money. If we could figure out how to better motivate kids to strive to be successful, things could get better. Role models like Ben Carson can help.
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In 1965 3/4 of black children had fathers in their homes. In 2016 1/4 of black children have a father in the home.

Please weigh-in on whether you think this is generally a good or bad thing.
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In 1965 3/4 of black children had fathers in their homes. In 2016 1/4 of black children have a father in the home.

Please weigh-in on whether you think this is generally a good or bad thing.
I believe it's a bad thing. I also believe that it's better to have no father at home than a shitty one.
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In 1965 3/4 of black children had fathers in their homes. In 2016 1/4 of black children have a father in the home.

Please weigh-in on whether you think this is generally a good or bad thing.
I believe it's a bad thing. I also believe that it's better to have no father at home than a shitty one.
The percentage of white single births has went from 5% to 36% in the same time. It's not an a race specific increasing value.

The 75% number also isn't what you are saying it is. That number deals with births to single parents and not children living with single mothers. That number for African Americans is 52%.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/12/18/the-unbelievable-rise-of-single-motherhood-in-america-over-the-last-50-years/
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In 1965 3/4 of black children had fathers in their homes. In 2016 1/4 of black children have a father in the home.

Please weigh-in on whether you think this is generally a good or bad thing.
I believe it's a bad thing. I also believe that it's better to have no father at home than a shitty one.
The percentage of white single births has went from 5% to 36% in the same time. It's not an a race specific increasing value.

The 75% number also isn't what you are saying it is. That number deals with births to single parents and not children living with single mothers. That number for African Americans is 52%.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/12/18/the-unbelievable-rise-of-single-motherhood-in-america-over-the-last-50-years/
Politifact Article

This article states the number of non-marital births for Blacks at 73%.
This doesn't mean the parents aren't "together" just not married.

Whites are at 29% in the same situation.

When counting children in a true one-parent home, Blacks are at 67%
with Whites at 25%.

Regardless, I feel it is a key component to the problems minorities face.


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