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The third debate
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rkl15 Oct 19 2016, 09:31 PM Post #16
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Still watching.

Think Wallace has done a pretty decent job. Worked harder than any other moderator to maintain order.

Both are talking over each other too much.
I think Trump has held his cool more than the other debates.
I think she has been more tense than the other debates.

Am very surprised that Wallace did not ask her about Benghazi.

3 debates and it never came up is kinda surprising.
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brumdog44 Oct 19 2016, 09:48 PM Post #17
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Still watching.

Think Wallace has done a pretty decent job. Worked harder than any other moderator to maintain order.

Both are talking over each other too much.
I think Trump has held his cool more than the other debates.
I think she has been more tense than the other debates.

Am very surprised that Wallace did not ask her about Benghazi.

3 debates and it never came up is kinda surprising.
Step #1 for him to get back in the race was to win the debate noticably. He didn't.

He preached to his 40%. He closes by saying she is another 4 years of Obama at a point when Obama's popularity has been rapidly rising -- 56% on gallup, positive approval rating on all eight national polls this past two weeks.

She pivoted around the negative questions asked of her -- dodged the Bill Clinton sexual predator question -- and Trump spent his time before and after her response focusing on his own allegations.

He stuck with the conspiracy theories that he will be robbed of the election (where he is fucking trailing by an average of 6 to 7 points). Good job, once again, of only preaching to people already in your 40%.

Fox News drilling him and stating all of the mistakes he made.

Kellyanne Conway talking on Fox News. I do feel bad for her -- the political game has been her gig for pretty much all of her adult life. She looked pretty despondent in the interview....her words were saying that Trump did very well, her eyes and body language told a completely different story.
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sirbrianwilson Oct 19 2016, 09:56 PM Post #18
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I think Wallace did the best job moderating out of all three debates. He didn't let them go on too crazy of tangents. When they continued to talk past time, he kept trying to stop them until they stopped. I felt like he asked critical questions of both candidates.

In the end, trump has far too large of a hole to climb out of. There wasn't much he could have done tonight. Not much he can do in the next 20 days, honestly. It's over.
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rkl15 Oct 19 2016, 10:02 PM Post #19
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brumdog44
Oct 19 2016, 09:48 PM
rkl15
Oct 19 2016, 09:31 PM
Still watching.

Think Wallace has done a pretty decent job. Worked harder than any other moderator to maintain order.

Both are talking over each other too much.
I think Trump has held his cool more than the other debates.
I think she has been more tense than the other debates.

Am very surprised that Wallace did not ask her about Benghazi.

3 debates and it never came up is kinda surprising.
Step #1 for him to get back in the race was to win the debate noticably. He didn't.

He preached to his 40%. He closes by saying she is another 4 years of Obama at a point when Obama's popularity has been rapidly rising -- 56% on gallup, positive approval rating on all eight national polls this past two weeks.

She pivoted around the negative questions asked of her -- dodged the Bill Clinton sexual predator question -- and Trump spent his time before and after her response focusing on his own allegations.

He stuck with the conspiracy theories that he will be robbed of the election (where he is fucking trailing by an average of 6 to 7 points). Good job, once again, of only preaching to people already in your 40%.

Fox News drilling him and stating all of the mistakes he made.

Kellyanne Conway talking on Fox News. I do feel bad for her -- the political game has been her gig for pretty much all of her adult life. She looked pretty despondent in the interview....her words were saying that Trump did very well, her eyes and body language told a completely different story.
I truly believe that part of the rise in Obama's popularity to due to how horrible the two candidates
are this year.

Now Brum, you are pretty easy to critique Trump in a negative light (deserved) but I don't believe
I have heard you say much negative about Clinton.

Now, I could be mistaken, and am too lazy to reread all the political posts.

But what stances and policies of Hillary have you voting for her?

You say she "pivoted" around the negative questions and he spent his time focusing on
his allegations. - Good for him, she won't answer questions and he will.
That's not a negative in my eyes.

In the "Post-Game" show they are talking about Trump being scary and Clinton dodging
every question.

I guess I am disappointed that we view "dodging" a question as a plus in a debate.

But when you have the candidates we do, it should be expected.

Not sure there is a good choice. Just hope the survive the next 4 years, because I do not
see the winner being re-elected.
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brumdog44 Oct 19 2016, 10:59 PM Post #20
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You have it completely wrong on the whole pivoting thing. His quote-unquote 'answering the question' isn't about answering the question. He didn't say anything new, just the same old denials -- now with the added lie that he didn't question the looks of the women that had accused him. And if he was about answering questions, why in the hell was talking about nuclear weapons when asked about immigration? Why did he lie about never saying other countries should gain nuclear weapons (which she was directly quoting him on)?

In terms of dodging questions during a debate as a plus -- that's not a plus. It's a negative when your opponent correctly calls you on it. Trump doesn't do it because he's so wrapped up in his own negatives. A debate is about highlighting your positives while minimizing your negatives. It's basically a job interview to the voting public.

CNN debate poll out -- Clinton 52, Trump 39. Third decisive margin.
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brumdog44 Oct 19 2016, 11:03 PM Post #21
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Charles Krauthammer on Fox -- never thought I'd see Jim so critical of a conservative -- said Trump flat out blew it with the not committing to accepting the result of the election.
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Come on Brum, you are using the "avoidance" tactic here.

I asked you:

"Now Brum, you are pretty easy to critique Trump in a negative light (deserved) but I don't believe
I have heard you say much negative about Clinton.

Now, I could be mistaken, and am too lazy to reread all the political posts.

But what stances and policies of Hillary have you voting for her?"

And you came back with two negative posts about Trump.

I have nothing positive to say about either candidate.


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dreachon Oct 20 2016, 08:21 AM Post #23
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Come on Brum, you are using the "avoidance" tactic here.

I asked you:

"Now Brum, you are pretty easy to critique Trump in a negative light (deserved) but I don't believe
I have heard you say much negative about Clinton.

Now, I could be mistaken, and am too lazy to reread all the political posts.

But what stances and policies of Hillary have you voting for her?"

And you came back with two negative posts about Trump.

I have nothing positive to say about either candidate.


I have something positive to say about one of the candidates...Clinton.



At least she's not Trump.
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..aaaand go Cubs!
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brumdog44 Oct 20 2016, 03:40 PM Post #25
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Come on Brum, you are using the "avoidance" tactic here.

I asked you:

"Now Brum, you are pretty easy to critique Trump in a negative light (deserved) but I don't believe
I have heard you say much negative about Clinton.

Now, I could be mistaken, and am too lazy to reread all the political posts.

But what stances and policies of Hillary have you voting for her?"

And you came back with two negative posts about Trump.

I have nothing positive to say about either candidate.


Most policies and stances that Clinton have I agree with. Most of her positions are the default democratic positions. Pro-choice, in favor of background checks for gun control, increasing marginal tax rate at the top. Clinton's problems with democrats in general isn't policy or stance issues, it's the character and trust issue. But with Trump I have huge disagreements on his positions (many of which have been invented in the last couple of years), character and trust, and lack of basic understanding of world affairs and government in general. And that's not even getting into the dangerous conspiracy theories that he promotes.

When people use the statement of 'they are both as bad as each other', they forget that isn't the general sentiment of the public. If it were, he wouldn't be seven points down. Seven points down is a lot in today's day and age, especially with how unpopular Clinton is. Seven percent is Obama/McCain territory.
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dreachon Oct 20 2016, 07:41 PM Post #26
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rkl15
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Come on Brum, you are using the "avoidance" tactic here.

I asked you:

"Now Brum, you are pretty easy to critique Trump in a negative light (deserved) but I don't believe
I have heard you say much negative about Clinton.

Now, I could be mistaken, and am too lazy to reread all the political posts.

But what stances and policies of Hillary have you voting for her?"

And you came back with two negative posts about Trump.

I have nothing positive to say about either candidate.


Most policies and stances that Clinton have I agree with. Most of her positions are the default democratic positions. Pro-choice, in favor of background checks for gun control, increasing marginal tax rate at the top. Clinton's problems with democrats in general isn't policy or stance issues, it's the character and trust issue. But with Trump I have huge disagreements on his positions (many of which have been invented in the last couple of years), character and trust, and lack of basic understanding of world affairs and government in general. And that's not even getting into the dangerous conspiracy theories that he promotes.

When people use the statement of 'they are both as bad as each other', they forget that isn't the general sentiment of the public. If it were, he wouldn't be seven points down. Seven points down is a lot in today's day and age, especially with how unpopular Clinton is. Seven percent is Obama/McCain territory.
It's worse. She'll be the most unpopular elect ever. If it was Obama running, trump would be down 20.
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One thing I noticed during the debate was Hillary kept looking down at her podium throughout most of her answers. Turns out she had a tablet there, which was likely connected to someone who was feeding answers to her.
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brumdog44 Oct 21 2016, 06:18 AM Post #28
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One thing I noticed during the debate was Hillary kept looking down at her podium throughout most of her answers. Turns out she had a tablet there, which was likely connected to someone who was feeding answers to her.
I don't know where you are getting that information, but that a very similar conspiracy theory was used after the first debate and debunked. Sounds like nothing more than a recycled false charge.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-teleprompter-debate/
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One thing I noticed during the debate was Hillary kept looking down at her podium throughout most of her answers. Turns out she had a tablet there, which was likely connected to someone who was feeding answers to her.
Please provide links. Sounds like nothing more than a hate-filled accusation.
http://www.salon.com/2016/10/20/new-conspiracy-theory-donald-trump-lost-the-debate-because-hillary-clinton-cheated/
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One thing I noticed during the debate was Hillary kept looking down at her podium throughout most of her answers. Turns out she had a tablet there, which was likely connected to someone who was feeding answers to her.
I don't know where you are getting that information, but that a very similar conspiracy theory was used after the first debate and debunked. Sounds like nothing more than a recycled false charge.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-teleprompter-debate/
You watched the debate didn't you Brum? You seriously didn't notice her looking down constantly throughout her answers?
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