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Would he have brought us title 6?
Yes 22 (66.7%)
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Would Sampson have ever won a national title here?
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mongo Feb 25 2008, 03:35 PM Post #1
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I'm really on the fence on this. I think we would have definitely made a final four run, but I'm inclined to say no on the championship. At the same time I could see him winning one. I think the team we could have potentially had in two years could have made a run. Our lineup could have potentially been bassett as a senior, crawford as a junior, holman as a redshirt sophomore, ebanks as a sophomore, roth as a sophomore, holloway as a sophomore, and pritchard as soph. Then we'd have Elston and an outside shot of one of those 5-star guards, maybe Dennis, as freshmen. None of this matters now because we'll never known and I think we all want to move past the Sampson era, but its an interesting topic to me.
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no way. he would have more likely got us a post season ban.

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Sampson was getting some talent, but there was no cohesion within the team. With the early departures and JUCO players, it was always going to be a revolving door at two or three positions. Look at the team this year, its taken them nearly 25 games to get comfortable with each other. If the nucleus of this team played together next season, they would be a top team all season long and be a #1 seed set up to make a run. Instead, IU may end up as a 3, 4, or 5 seed and have to fight to even get to the second weekend. The only way is if they hit the jackpot one recruiting season and landed two of the best recruits in a class and have a few of the four year players fit perfectly with these guys. There was talent, but no team chemistry, and thats how you win.
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Is this if he could still cheat on recruiting or not??? <_<
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Is this if he could still cheat on recruiting or not??? <_<

That's a good question. If there wasn't any violations, I doubt he'd do it this year, and I seriously doubt he would have done it next year. Beyond that is anyone's guess.
With the violations, if IU had kept him, his talent pool would have shrunk very quickly with the sanctions that would have rained down from the NCAA.
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Sampson wasn't a bad X's and O's coach at all. So he doesn't teach much offense... with the players he recruited he didn't have to. He was a defensive coach... and I'll be damned if we weren't good on defense. For as young as some of our guys are, they play exceptionally well D.

I think besides all the him getting caught cheating shit he was a decent guy. I think he would have brought in the talent here at IU to coach them to a title. Hell, this was only his second year here and we have 4 losses. He only uses 2 players on the team that were there before he came (DJ and Armon). Otherwise its from his own work.

I think it's impossible to say if he wasn't caught for the lying about PHONE CALLS scandal, we would have had number six a lot faster than we will now. Honest opinion. He's a likable coach, he makes his players good... just made dumbass decisions behind the scenes.
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To be honest, I'd have to say no. If you're going to win a national title, you have to be able to play good and consistent half-court offense. And I have to be honest. We never really seemed to have a whole lot of chemistry on the offensive end. He taught good defense, but if he was at least decent with the X's and O's (and didn't violate the rules) then I think he could have led IU to a sixth banner.
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Sampson wasn't a bad X's and O's coach at all. So he doesn't teach much offense... with the players he recruited he didn't have to. He was a defensive coach... and I'll be damned if we weren't good on defense. For as young as some of our guys are, they play exceptionally well D.

I think besides all the him getting caught cheating shit he was a decent guy. I think he would have brought in the talent here at IU to coach them to a title. Hell, this was only his second year here and we have 4 losses. He only uses 2 players on the team that were there before he came (DJ and Armon). Otherwise its from his own work.

I think it's impossible to say if he wasn't caught for the lying about PHONE CALLS scandal, we would have had number six a lot faster than we will now. Honest opinion. He's a likable coach, he makes his players good... just made dumbass decisions behind the scenes.

He brought in some good players, but I don't think he was bringing in the type of players that win you national championships. Yes, only two players were from Davis, but IMO White and Bassett are the two most valuable players on the team. The only way he was ever going to win a championship with chasing after 5 star players and JUCO players was if he hit a perfect storm of events and somehow got a bunch of players who could play together instantly and were just so talented that team work and chemistry didn't matter.

Look at what next year's team was going to be before this:

Post- Holman, Thomas, Pritchard
Wings- Ellis, Ebanks, Crawford
Point- Bassett, Holloway

Do you think that team competes for a Big Ten title? IMO opinion there is no way at all. He wasn't building a program, he was just filling in needs year to year because he felt the pressure to win now. It works sometimes, but its a dangerous game to play and it is going to leave this program bone dry. Even without the NCAA putting the program on probation, things aren't very bright. Sampson did a lot of this with smoke and mirrors, and it was only a matter of time before it caught up to him.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Sampson wasn't a bad X's and O's coach at all. So he doesn't teach much offense... with the players he recruited he didn't have to. He was a defensive coach... and I'll be damned if we weren't good on defense. For as young as some of our guys are, they play exceptionally well D.

I think besides all the him getting caught cheating shit he was a decent guy. I think he would have brought in the talent here at IU to coach them to a title. Hell, this was only his second year here and we have 4 losses. He only uses 2 players on the team that were there before he came (DJ and Armon). Otherwise its from his own work.

I think it's impossible to say if he wasn't caught for the lying about PHONE CALLS scandal, we would have had number six a lot faster than we will now. Honest opinion. He's a likable coach, he makes his players good... just made dumbass decisions behind the scenes.

He brought in some good players, but I don't think he was bringing in the type of players that win you national championships. Yes, only two players were from Davis, but IMO White and Bassett are the two most valuable players on the team. The only way he was ever going to win a championship with chasing after 5 star players and JUCO players was if he hit a perfect storm of events and somehow got a bunch of players who could play together instantly and were just so talented that team work and chemistry didn't matter.

Look at what next year's team was going to be before this:

Post- Holman, Thomas, Pritchard
Wings- Ellis, Ebanks, Crawford
Point- Bassett, Holloway

Do you think that team competes for a Big Ten title? IMO opinion there is no way at all. He wasn't building a program, he was just filling in needs year to year because he felt the pressure to win now. It works sometimes, but its a dangerous game to play and it is going to leave this program bone dry. Even without the NCAA putting the program on probation, things aren't very bright. Sampson did a lot of this with smoke and mirrors, and it was only a matter of time before it caught up to him.

good point.

But with kids getting better and better and more greedy as time goes... most of the kids recruited that are any good aren't going to be 3-4 year guys. Most are 1-2 at best.

That's not just a problem Sampson has... look at tOSU. Or Arizona. Texas. ... its becoming a trend now.
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Sampson wasn't a bad X's and O's coach at all. So he doesn't teach much offense... with the players he recruited he didn't have to. He was a defensive coach... and I'll be damned if we weren't good on defense. For as young as some of our guys are, they play exceptionally well D.

I think besides all the him getting caught cheating shit he was a decent guy. I think he would have brought in the talent here at IU to coach them to a title. Hell, this was only his second year here and we have 4 losses. He only uses 2 players on the team that were there before he came (DJ and Armon). Otherwise its from his own work.

I think it's impossible to say if he wasn't caught for the lying about PHONE CALLS scandal, we would have had number six a lot faster than we will now. Honest opinion. He's a likable coach, he makes his players good... just made dumbass decisions behind the scenes.

He brought in some good players, but I don't think he was bringing in the type of players that win you national championships. Yes, only two players were from Davis, but IMO White and Bassett are the two most valuable players on the team. The only way he was ever going to win a championship with chasing after 5 star players and JUCO players was if he hit a perfect storm of events and somehow got a bunch of players who could play together instantly and were just so talented that team work and chemistry didn't matter.

Look at what next year's team was going to be before this:

Post- Holman, Thomas, Pritchard
Wings- Ellis, Ebanks, Crawford
Point- Bassett, Holloway

Do you think that team competes for a Big Ten title? IMO opinion there is no way at all. He wasn't building a program, he was just filling in needs year to year because he felt the pressure to win now. It works sometimes, but its a dangerous game to play and it is going to leave this program bone dry. Even without the NCAA putting the program on probation, things aren't very bright. Sampson did a lot of this with smoke and mirrors, and it was only a matter of time before it caught up to him.

good point.

But with kids getting better and better and more greedy as time goes... most of the kids recruited that are any good aren't going to be 3-4 year guys. Most are 1-2 at best.

That's not just a problem Sampson has... look at tOSU. Or Arizona. Texas. ... its becoming a trend now.

I mean the superstars aren't usually going to stay around, and you need those players, but OSU doesn't sniff a championship last year without Harris, Butler, Lewis, Terwilliger, and Hunter. Obviously Oden and Conley were huge, but if you put them on a team with just average players, they win but don't dominate. You need more than a couple of 5 star recruits to win a championship, and I think that was the route Sampson was going. Look at OSU this year, they aren't a very good team IMO opinion because they lost 5 players, 3 of them left early. You can't be consistently good and compete for championships that way. Duke is the perfect example of how it is done. They annoy you because they are on TV and Dukie V loves them, but the way the build and have good players is the way its supposed to be done. Not recruit one and done players and hope they some how fit into a team and then if they leave, you have the cupboard bare for a year and hope that you get lucky a few years down the line, hit it big with recruits and make another run. No coach or program will survive that in the long run unless they are guaranteed top players like UNC and a select few.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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