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| yawnzzz | Feb 24 2008, 09:04 PM Post #16 |
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Every coach in America calls UK, UCLA, Duke, UNC, and Indiana 'dream jobs'. That doesn't mean all of them are willing to come coach at Indiana. |
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| BoilerBasketball2008 | Feb 24 2008, 09:06 PM Post #17 |
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Yeah, I'm sure during an interview he's gonna say "No way I'd ever go to IU, the sanctions, etc have them in a bad situation, I'd never leave Tennessee where my son is redshirt freshman and I have the #1 team in the nation. " You can start the "I told you so's" when IU hires him. |
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| mongo | Feb 24 2008, 10:11 PM Post #18 |
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Wow what a slap to our face, to suggest that jumping from Southern Indiana to IU is a reasonable jump. Nevermind it took him having real success at UW-Milwaukee before he even made the jump to Tennessee, and UWM is a seriously job upgrade in itself from USI. Tennessee is not a more prestigious job than IU, so I still think if we want him, we can get him. |
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| BigTenBigBen | Feb 24 2008, 11:18 PM Post #19 |
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Right now UT is more prestigious. He's riding at #2 and will probably move up to #1 in the rankings this week, and all of IU's hot recruits are hanging by a thin thread. Also, if he did come here he would have to live with whatever sanctions the NCAA hits IU with. I think its very comparable to Donovan and UK, while UK is the most prestigious basketball school that you could coach at and Donovan has ties to UK (he coached under Pitino) he wasn't going to leave a cushy job in a program that he has built to go to a school he was going to have start at ground zero again. Not to mention UK fans are fanatical and would be calling for his head if he didn't produce a championship on a regular basis or had a down year. Why would Pearl leave a perfectly good UT team that he has worked to build to where it is, to go start all over at IU? |
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| BigTenBigBen | Feb 24 2008, 11:20 PM Post #20 |
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I want to add that whatever Pearl says in public doesn't prove anything as to what he would do. No coach says they will leave a program until they've crossed the t's and dotted the i's. |
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| BoilerTheFU | Feb 24 2008, 11:22 PM Post #21 |
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What you said reminds me of the Alabama/ phins football situation. "I am the coach of the Miami dolphins" blah blah blah 90x over and then bam.... I am the head coach at Alabama university. That had to be a sucker punch for phins fans, I felt for them. |
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| BigTenBigBen | Feb 24 2008, 11:35 PM Post #22 |
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Part of its obvious, no coach is going to let their own team know that they are leaving until a season is over. I think its a real shame that schools/teams try to interview coaches during the season. |
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| dçamden03 | Feb 24 2008, 11:37 PM Post #23 |
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Pearl should not be compared to the scumbag that is Nick Saban. Saban is looking to get a better job and more money at each and every turn. Pearl stayed at USI for something like 9 years when I'm sure he could have left. Pearl also had the chance to run off to Iowa or Indiana just a few years ago and decided not to. He is a good coach and a lot more loyal than Saban will ever dream to be. |
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves." "I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel
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| enemydeservesnomercy | Feb 25 2008, 12:52 AM Post #24 |
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thanks for the award by the way camden, so here i am to accept it... ...what about roy williams leaving kansas, is he a scumbag because of that? he promised kansas and its fans that he was going to be there forever...and what happened...he wanted his face on mount rushmore. kansas is a ten times greater job than ut and he left it. ...look at donavon, jim calhoun, rick pitino, jim boeheim, tom izzo, john calipari...they are all great coaches and have won championships (sorry except for calipari) and they will never be in the same league as wooden, knight, rupp, smith, and you know what pitino would have...if he would have stayed at uk, the worst thing he ever did. this is the reason i think pearl would leave ut, he wants to be with those names (the latter). ...pearl's not gonna get on mount rushmore staying at ut. he just seems to full of himself to settle for the ut job. i agree he really sounds like he's staying there forever but you never know. we will just have to wait. and if you want to know the honest truth i think its about 65% to 35% that he stays at ut. |
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| mongo | Feb 25 2008, 01:13 AM Post #25 |
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I think it would be worth it for Pearl. Someone has brought up these two really good points before (actually many people) Tennessee will always be a football school. If its not that, its women's basketball program and what Summitt has done will always make her the favorite basketball coach. Hes not old, at 47, and I just don't see a still rising coach like him wanting his career to peak and end at Tennessee. He would be a GOD here. Worshipped. And with Indiana ties it would be comfortable and I think he'd receive the needed patience from the fans, because the first year or two would be admittedly rough. But as he's shown, he can turn things around VERY fast. |
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| dçamden03 | Feb 25 2008, 01:21 AM Post #26 |
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Roy Williams always said that he would leave for the UNC job. There was no doubt in my mind that someday, that was his job. I think people forget to realize that Pearl is not an Indiana guy. He coached at USI, but he is from Boston, went to school in Boston, and began coaching in the area. I don't think that any coach will ever be at the level again of Wooden, Rupp, Knight, or Smith because of the parity of college basketball. With the wall-to-wall media blitz of today, you can get recognized in each and every corner of the basketball world. Hell, there is a Drake coach who may end up as national coach of the year. A Butler coach won the award last season. I understand your reasoning, but I think your reasoning is stuck in 1990. I will never win an argument with an IU or UK or UCLA fan about how important tradition is in recruiting both players and coaches, but I think players and coaches worry more about the current situation of a program than what it used to be. I'm sure you and many others disagree with me, but that is my firm belief. Obviously, when a school gets picked, they will say those things to make the fans and boosters happy, but its all fluff. Just look at the IU players right now, do you think that they were here because of Indiana University, the winning, or the tradition? Do you think DJ White was here because of any history? Do you think Coach Sampson was here for the tradition? Or maybe it was because of the money and escaping the NCAA? Do you really believe that tradition and past success is such an important part of where a coach or player goes? Do you honestly believe that Pearl is that concerned with being a coaching "legend" that he would give up a job where he was given a great opportunity and has seemed to really embrace a university? Would he go out of his way to say such things on national TV just to make people happy, or does he really believe what he said? Would you want a coach that would sing a school's praises and then turn their back immediately at a "better" job? There are a lot of question marks to me. I know you really love Pearl, and I'm a huge fan also, but this just doesn't seem right. I think you are optimistic, really want him to be at IU, are around UT and seem to have a little disliking. But for your and IU's sake, I hope Pearl does go to IU. It'd be great to see him and Painter going at it every year. |
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves." "I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel
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| enemydeservesnomercy | Feb 25 2008, 01:37 AM Post #27 |
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hey camden, i said 65 to 35 he stays at ut. and yes i do think he wants to be a legend and no i don't think dj came because of iu's history and no i don't think sampson did earlier. and no roy williams didnt' always say he was taking the unc job, when unc hired matt doherty williams turned it down and pledged himself to kansas only to turn his back three years later. and yes there will be more coaches alongside rupp, knight, wooden, smith...one i can give you for sure is coach k. he will hit 1000 wins and cement his status with them. do i believe, in general, that coaches and players go to certain schools becaues of the history and tradition...yes, but it depends on the coach and player. is pearl one, well we both know that i would like to think that he is. and yes i work with the biggest ut fan in the world so i would love to see his heart ripped from his chest right before my eyes as pearl takes off the orange jacket and puts on a red tie...ahhh, i fall asleep every night to that image. and your last sentence, "It'd be great to see him and Painter going at it every year.", that is my dream. if that happened then basketball would truly be back to it's greatest form, knight vs. keady part II. man, i love college basketball! :) |
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| dçamden03 | Feb 25 2008, 01:42 AM Post #28 |
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Well I respect your opinions and we will agree to disagree. My one argument will be that for the most part those guys on the Mount Rushmore of coaching built their programs and were the face of the program. No matter what Pearl does at IU, it will not be what Knight did. I think that maybe his ego will keep him at UT so that he can be the one who made UT the greatest basketball program of the century. Who knows what he will do. I tend to take a person at their word until they prove me wrong. I won't compare him to other coaches and their decisions because they are all completely different situations and people. Yes, Williams went from KU to UNC, but if you think that is in any way similar to Pearl going from UT to IU, then we will have something else to argue about, haha. Its definitely a possibility, because anything is, but I think its a very slim one at this point. I'd go more at like 5 to 10 percent. But thats my opinion and you will have yours and we will enjoy our arguments. I don't think there are two people with more differing opinions than anyone on this board. And its absolutely great. |
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“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves." "I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel
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| enemydeservesnomercy | Feb 25 2008, 01:58 AM Post #29 |
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you make two very good points and i agree with them...for the most part... - "My one argument will be that for the most part those guys on the Mount Rushmore of coaching built their programs and were the face of the program." ...but pitino would have been there under rupp if he wouldn't have left and iu did win two titles before knight got there. - " Yes, Williams went from KU to UNC, but if you think that is in any way similar to Pearl going from UT to IU, then we will have something else to argue about" ...and no i don't at all, i was just saying that you shouldn't believe a coaches word when he say's something like that. and if you think that pearl's ties are stronger to ut than williams' were to ku then we have something else to argue about. ...5% to 10%...really... :( well for better or worse i guess we still have about three months or so to talk about this. once again, good shit camden. :cheers: ...i'm gonna hit the sack so if you reply i'll catch it in the mornin. late. |
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| Badger | Feb 25 2008, 02:46 AM Post #30 |
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I'll toss this out there: Illinois was a pretty good program when Bill Self left for Kansas.... |
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