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Quote from Pearl on IU job; Told you so.........
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BoilerTheFU Feb 25 2008, 08:00 AM Post #31
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Couple of reasons I think Pearl stays; just my opinion

-His son being a RS freshmen at the University.

-He said he would "honor his contract", and is always speaking out vs. coaching instability in the NCAA but that may be because...

-He craves media attention, so mentioning the IU job is just another way to get some. (example see pictures with himself painted in UT getup at a Girls game, and his constant interviews with ESPN).

-I feel he is using IU as a bargaining chip with UT (which is smart from a legal standpoint), if IU makes an offer UT will have to raise the bar, and who does not love money? This battle I feel IU can not win; because....

-UT has the 4rd largest athletic budget in the nation, each football game brings in about 4 million dollars just in ticket sales, they also sell out girls games, as well as mens basketball.

(that info,)
1.Ohio State----------$109,000,000
2.U of Florida--------$108,000,000
3.U of Texas----------$105,000,000
4.U of Tennessee------$ 95,000,000
5.U of Michigan-------$ 89,000,000
6.U of Wisconsin------$ 83,000,000
7.U of Alabama--------$ 81,946,000
8.Auburn University---$ 81,697,000
9.L.S.U.---------------$ 76,499,000
10.Penn State---------$ 76,327,000
11.U of Georgia-------$ 75,937,000
12. U of Nebraska-----$ 71,000,000
13.U. of Oklahoma-----$ 69,431,000
14.Texas A&M----------$ 69,413,000

-He has no ties to IU, at all, from Boston, went to BC.

-Lastly he has built the program there, and it is mostly his legacy, I think he would like to be known for doing that instead of being in the shadow of Knight the whole time he would be at IU.

Just my .02c

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boiler, i can't argue man...

iu just hast to throw everything that they have at him and then some and hope that is sticks.

there is no doubt that it's very unlikely that he leaves ut. its just very exciting that a job as big as iu is open the same time that a coach is getting as hot as pearl. this will be interesting to say the least.
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Lets all face reality though. Pearl could have a very nice career at Tennessee, but lets face facts. Tennessee is a girls basketball school. They have as many banners as IUs men's program.
The only reason I see him coming if offered, is because there is no way Tennessee will become a powerhouse basketball program for years to come in the SEC.
Too many dominate programs. However, IU could become as dominate as it once was and Pearl knows that.
As long as you have your Florida's, Kentucky's, and all the other power programs in the SEC. Pearl is going to struggle to win a championship there.
At IU, he could win a title in 5 or less years depending on recruiting.
The Big Ten is wide open for a dominate team again.
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Lets all face reality though. Pearl could have a very nice career at Tennessee, but lets face facts. Tennessee is a girls basketball school. They have as many banners as IUs men's program.
The only reason I see him coming if offered, is because there is no way Tennessee will become a powerhouse basketball program for years to come in the SEC.
Too many dominate programs. However, IU could become as dominate as it once was and Pearl knows that.
As long as you have your Florida's, Kentucky's, and all the other power programs in the SEC. Pearl is going to struggle to win a championship there.
At IU, he could win a title in 5 or less years depending on recruiting.
The Big Ten is wide open for a dominate team again.

IU is definitely a place where he could build a winner, my question is does he want to go through another building process. He has been doing that for his entire career, at what point does he settle down? Big Ten basketball is a sleeping giant that IMO is about to be awoken in a BIG way. We have 8 coaches that I would put up against any in the country (I know you all hate Weber and for good reason, but the guy can coach). Tubby, Beilein, Weber, Painter, Izzo, Matta, Lickliter, and Ryan are as good as anybody. The SEC is good, but after UF, UK, and now UT, there is a huge drop off in my opinion.

Pearl COULD go to IU. You can never count out IU getting a good coach, but there are just so many factors going against it that its hard for me to buy. He coached at Southern Indiana, but he isn't really an Indiana guy. I still think the best candidate would be Grant from VCU. He isn't getting much pub around here, but he could be an absolute monster at IU. He beat Duke last year in the tourney, and he was the associate head coach at UF for their first championship and was widely regarded as the recruiter who brought in the Horford/Noah/Brewer/Green recruiting class. He was a longtime assistant who got a chance and has done well. He would be bring energy, and they play an exciting type of basketball, similar to Pearl's and he would be A LOT cheaper, and if you go after him early, you could avoid a PR nightmare of going after a few coaches and getting turned down. That never looks good and sucks any energy out of the eventual hire.
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I disagree about the dominance. Look at the bottom of the conference and look at all the good coaches. Tubby at Minny, Beileine at Michigan, Lickliter at Iowa, and Weber's Illinois is just in an off year (If Gordan had stayed with Illinois think what kind of year they would be having, Despite losing, they haven't lost too many games by more than a few points.) Penn State wasn't doing bad until they lost Claxton. The only team that think is going to keep sucking is Northwestern. They just don't bring in the talent.
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I disagree about the dominance. Look at the bottom of the conference and look at all the good coaches. Tubby at Minny, Beileine at Michigan, Lickliter at Iowa, and Weber's Illinois is just in an off year (If Gordan had stayed with Illinois think what kind of year they would be having, Despite losing, they haven't lost too many games by more than a few points.) Penn State wasn't doing bad until they lost Claxton. The only team that think is going to keep sucking is Northwestern. They just don't bring in the talent.

Don't sleep on NW, they won't ever compete for a championship, but Carmody is a really good coach IMO. He has zero facilities, tough academic standards, and a lot of surrounding schools to compete with for talent, but they only lose a few players that I don't even think play, plus add two 3 star players. They have some players and their system can do some things, they will never do a whole lot, but I'm guessing they will be at least tough. Penn State could field some good teams, but they just always have bad luck. The Big Ten is down this year because the league lost a lot of talent and have had a lot of coaching changes. The next few years will bring stability and good recruiting to the whole league, it should be exciting.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I disagree about the dominance.  Look at the bottom of the conference and look at all the good coaches.  Tubby at Minny, Beileine at Michigan, Lickliter at Iowa, and Weber's Illinois is just in an off year (If Gordan had stayed with Illinois think what kind of year they would be having,  Despite losing, they haven't lost too many games by more than a few points.)  Penn State wasn't doing bad until they lost Claxton.  The only team that think is going to keep sucking is Northwestern.  They just don't bring in the talent.

Don't sleep on NW, they won't ever compete for a championship, but Carmody is a really good coach IMO. He has zero facilities, tough academic standards, and a lot of surrounding schools to compete with for talent, but they only lose a few players that I don't even think play, plus add two 3 star players. They have some players and their system can do some things, they will never do a whole lot, but I'm guessing they will be at least tough. Penn State could field some good teams, but they just always have bad luck. The Big Ten is down this year because the league lost a lot of talent and have had a lot of coaching changes. The next few years will bring stability and good recruiting to the whole league, it should be exciting.

Oh, yeah definitely. There is a lot of young programs in the Big Ten right now, is it 3 brand new coaches not including IU. Once they get underway, the Big Ten is on the rise.
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Man i dont think we have a chance in hell at getting pearl but i wish we could.
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I disagree about the dominance.  Look at the bottom of the conference and look at all the good coaches.  Tubby at Minny, Beileine at Michigan, Lickliter at Iowa, and Weber's Illinois is just in an off year (If Gordan had stayed with Illinois think what kind of year they would be having,  Despite losing, they haven't lost too many games by more than a few points.)  Penn State wasn't doing bad until they lost Claxton.  The only team that think is going to keep sucking is Northwestern.  They just don't bring in the talent.

I disagree with your opinion. I don't give coaches Kudos until they actually earn it. So far, they haven't done much.
Weber - down hill fast
Painter - One good recruiting year, seems to coach solid.
Smith - ?
Beileine - ?
Lickliter - ?
I can't tell the future and neither can you. Just because they have a good name elsewhere, doesn't mean they will now.
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I disagree about the dominance.  Look at the bottom of the conference and look at all the good coaches.  Tubby at Minny, Beileine at Michigan, Lickliter at Iowa, and Weber's Illinois is just in an off year (If Gordan had stayed with Illinois think what kind of year they would be having,  Despite losing, they haven't lost too many games by more than a few points.)  Penn State wasn't doing bad until they lost Claxton.  The only team that think is going to keep sucking is Northwestern.  They just don't bring in the talent.

I disagree with your opinion. I don't give coaches Kudos until they actually earn it. So far, they haven't done much.
Weber - down hill fast
Painter - One good recruiting year, seems to coach solid.
Smith - ?
Beileine - ?
Lickliter - ?
I can't tell the future and neither can you. Just because they have a good name elsewhere, doesn't mean they will now.

If neither of us can tell the future, then I wouldn't have stated that Pearl and IU could come to dominate the Big Ten. My predictions for the Big Ten are no different than your predictions of IU with Pearl.
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I disagree about the dominance.  Look at the bottom of the conference and look at all the good coaches.  Tubby at Minny, Beileine at Michigan, Lickliter at Iowa, and Weber's Illinois is just in an off year (If Gordan had stayed with Illinois think what kind of year they would be having,  Despite losing, they haven't lost too many games by more than a few points.)  Penn State wasn't doing bad until they lost Claxton.  The only team that think is going to keep sucking is Northwestern.  They just don't bring in the talent.

I disagree with your opinion. I don't give coaches Kudos until they actually earn it. So far, they haven't done much.
Weber - down hill fast
Painter - One good recruiting year, seems to coach solid.
Smith - ?
Beileine - ?
Lickliter - ?
I can't tell the future and neither can you. Just because they have a good name elsewhere, doesn't mean they will now.

If neither of us can tell the future, then I wouldn't have stated that Pearl and IU could come to dominate the Big Ten. My predictions for the Big Ten are no different than your predictions of IU with Pearl.

Find in my posts where I said Pearl was a sure thing, then I'll bow. B)
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Weber- down hill fast

:wtf: One year of injuries and not as good recruiting and he is down hill fast? Look at his incoming recruits some are just sick...

It is just a bad year for the Illini and now with Randle out they are fucked. I don't see how you can say he is a bad coach he has a 70% win %atge, been to the sweet 16 twice and finished runner up in 2005, and has 4 conference championships in 10 years of head coaching...
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I disagree about the dominance.  Look at the bottom of the conference and look at all the good coaches.  Tubby at Minny, Beileine at Michigan, Lickliter at Iowa, and Weber's Illinois is just in an off year (If Gordan had stayed with Illinois think what kind of year they would be having,  Despite losing, they haven't lost too many games by more than a few points.)  Penn State wasn't doing bad until they lost Claxton.  The only team that think is going to keep sucking is Northwestern.  They just don't bring in the talent.

I disagree with your opinion. I don't give coaches Kudos until they actually earn it. So far, they haven't done much.
Weber - down hill fast
Painter - One good recruiting year, seems to coach solid.
Smith - ?
Beileine - ?
Lickliter - ?
I can't tell the future and neither can you. Just because they have a good name elsewhere, doesn't mean they will now.

Past results are a very good indicator of future returns. These guys have been successful everywhere, and by watching their teams play, they are getting better.

Beilein- Great success at WVU, he turned them around quickly, and UM has been getting better all year

Lickliter- National Coach on the Year last season, Iowa has pulled an upset or two, and once he gets some players in there, they will be a tough out for anyone

Tubby- I know I will never convince an IU fan that Tubby did well at UK, but he also did very well at UGA before that, Minnesota has a decent record and has played a lot of teams tough

Painter- If you think he is a one recruiting class wonder, then you just don't want to admit Purdue has something good. Lead for Big Ten COY and candidate for National COY, if you think next year's recruiting class is just horrible, you will have nightmares about Lewis Jackson

Weber- You may not like the guy, his recruiting has taken a hit, but the fact that he has this team at UI competitive shows just how good of a coach he is

Matta- Probably the best recruiter in the nation, a year removed from the national championship game, great success at Butler and Xavier

Izzo- Do I need to explain?

Ryan- Do I need to explain?

Get used to the Big Ten having 8 other teams besides your Hoosiers with good basketball teams that will be ready to knock you in the mouth. This conference IMO, is as well coached as any in the nation. As the new guys get settled in with recruiting, its going to be scary good IMO.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I disagree about the dominance.  Look at the bottom of the conference and look at all the good coaches.  Tubby at Minny, Beileine at Michigan, Lickliter at Iowa, and Weber's Illinois is just in an off year (If Gordan had stayed with Illinois think what kind of year they would be having,  Despite losing, they haven't lost too many games by more than a few points.)  Penn State wasn't doing bad until they lost Claxton.  The only team that think is going to keep sucking is Northwestern.  They just don't bring in the talent.

I disagree with your opinion. I don't give coaches Kudos until they actually earn it. So far, they haven't done much.
Weber - down hill fast
Painter - One good recruiting year, seems to coach solid.
Smith - ?
Beileine - ?
Lickliter - ?
I can't tell the future and neither can you. Just because they have a good name elsewhere, doesn't mean they will now.

Past results are a very good indicator of future returns. These guys have been successful everywhere, and by watching their teams play, they are getting better.

Beilein- Great success at WVU, he turned them around quickly, and UM has been getting better all year

Lickliter- National Coach on the Year last season, Iowa has pulled an upset or two, and once he gets some players in there, they will be a tough out for anyone

Tubby- I know I will never convince an IU fan that Tubby did well at UK, but he also did very well at UGA before that, Minnesota has a decent record and has played a lot of teams tough

Painter- If you think he is a one recruiting class wonder, then you just don't want to admit Purdue has something good. Lead for Big Ten COY and candidate for National COY, if you think next year's recruiting class is just horrible, you will have nightmares about Lewis Jackson

Weber- You may not like the guy, his recruiting has taken a hit, but the fact that he has this team at UI competitive shows just how good of a coach he is

Matta- Probably the best recruiter in the nation, a year removed from the national championship game, great success at Butler and Xavier

Izzo- Do I need to explain?

Ryan- Do I need to explain?

Get used to the Big Ten having 8 other teams besides your Hoosiers with good basketball teams that will be ready to knock you in the mouth. This conference IMO, is as well coached as any in the nation. As the new guys get settled in with recruiting, its going to be scary good IMO.

I'll give you Ryan, but Izzo and Matta? Are you kidding me this year? :rofl:
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I disagree about the dominance.  Look at the bottom of the conference and look at all the good coaches.  Tubby at Minny, Beileine at Michigan, Lickliter at Iowa, and Weber's Illinois is just in an off year (If Gordan had stayed with Illinois think what kind of year they would be having,  Despite losing, they haven't lost too many games by more than a few points.)  Penn State wasn't doing bad until they lost Claxton.  The only team that think is going to keep sucking is Northwestern.  They just don't bring in the talent.

I disagree with your opinion. I don't give coaches Kudos until they actually earn it. So far, they haven't done much.
Weber - down hill fast
Painter - One good recruiting year, seems to coach solid.
Smith - ?
Beileine - ?
Lickliter - ?
I can't tell the future and neither can you. Just because they have a good name elsewhere, doesn't mean they will now.

Past results are a very good indicator of future returns. These guys have been successful everywhere, and by watching their teams play, they are getting better.

Beilein- Great success at WVU, he turned them around quickly, and UM has been getting better all year

Lickliter- National Coach on the Year last season, Iowa has pulled an upset or two, and once he gets some players in there, they will be a tough out for anyone

Tubby- I know I will never convince an IU fan that Tubby did well at UK, but he also did very well at UGA before that, Minnesota has a decent record and has played a lot of teams tough

Painter- If you think he is a one recruiting class wonder, then you just don't want to admit Purdue has something good. Lead for Big Ten COY and candidate for National COY, if you think next year's recruiting class is just horrible, you will have nightmares about Lewis Jackson

Weber- You may not like the guy, his recruiting has taken a hit, but the fact that he has this team at UI competitive shows just how good of a coach he is

Matta- Probably the best recruiter in the nation, a year removed from the national championship game, great success at Butler and Xavier

Izzo- Do I need to explain?

Ryan- Do I need to explain?

Get used to the Big Ten having 8 other teams besides your Hoosiers with good basketball teams that will be ready to knock you in the mouth. This conference IMO, is as well coached as any in the nation. As the new guys get settled in with recruiting, its going to be scary good IMO.

I'll give you Ryan, but Izzo and Matta? Are you kidding me this year? :rofl:

Izzo has been at MSU for what now 15 or so years? He has won a national championships, numerous BT Championships. He has a very flawed team, but I wouldn't want to face them in the BTT or the NCAAs. A bad season or two doesn't eliminate you from being a bad coach

Matta has an extremely young team with some mismatching parts. As they fill into their roles in the coming years, plus adding stellar recruiting classes, they will be fine. One tends to forget that they also lost a couple of other HUGE parts outside of Oden, Conley, and Cook, which is enough to lose as it is. Lewis and Harris were key parts to that team's success.

I'm not quite sure what else you are looking for in some of these coaches. Do you honestly think that if Pearl comes to IU he will absolutely dominate the Big Ten and nobody else will be able to win titles? I think he can make some good teams, but these other coaches are great coaches who are just settling in. Just look at what Sampson was able to do in a couple of years and he had two legit NBA first round draft picks to work with. Lickliter and Belein had players who probably shouldn't be in the Big Ten playing in a system none of them were fit to be in.

I'm aware of your liking of IU, but to think that a top coach would just come in and start dominating and killing every other team in the Big Ten from day one is foolish. Every program besides PSU and NW will have a better starting point than IU will when they hire a new coach and he is going to have to make up ground quickly or he will be out of a job quickly.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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