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What are Gordons chances of staying?
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tAmazingHoosier0305 Feb 26 2008, 02:49 PM Post #1
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So EJ is without a doubt probably the most talented frosh we've had in decades... and the one and done talk has been popular since he even arrived on campus.

But the more and more we get to see him play, do we honestly think he's ready to go to the bigs ?

He turns the ball over waaaay too much to have any success in his early years in the pros. His assist/turnover ratio is god awful.. and he's the main reason we look so sloppy.

His main move to the basket is dribble up... try to fake left or right, then drive no matter if its open or not, often relying on a foul being called (which has worked for him..) or a turnover.

His dad pretty much controls him from what I've seen. I think if pops thinks he should stay another year, he will. Do you guys think he will stay another year... or go ahead and make the jump regardless of how much more tuning he needs?
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None. Sampson is gone. DJ is gone. There's no incentive for him to stay here another year. He's all but guaranteed a top 5 pick and at least 7 figures. His game does need some work in some areas, but the NBA drafts on potential and EJ has a TON of it yet.
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He was done after this year even before he ever put on a IU jersey.
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entering the draft has nothing to do with whether the player is "ready for the bigs." if they're slated to be an early first rounder, then they will ALWAYS enter the draft. you have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

why risk a multi-million dollar contract by staying in college an extra year waiting for a career ending injury to come?

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EJ will tell Ebanks to come to IU and he'll stay for 1 more year. And Gene Keady will be our next coach
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EJ will tell Ebanks to come to IU and he'll stay for 1 more year. And Gene Keady will be our next coach

that would be dope
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He ain't staying. It took Deron Williams 3 years to make himself a worthy pick in the draft (3rd overall).

Even as a freshman, EJ's raw talent makes Williams look like Carson Cunningham.
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He ain't staying. It took Deron Williams 3 years to make himself a worthy pick in the draft (2nd overall).

Even as a freshman, EJ's raw talent makes Williams look like Carson Cunningham.

Athleticism vs talent.

EJ athleticism > Deron's athleticism

Deron as a player > EJ as a player

Gordon will get better, but Deron Williams is a top 5 PG in the NBA right now and was GREAT in college. Gordon scores, but the other things that Williams does on a floor more than makes up for that.

Gordon has to go, he can only hurt his stock. I think its already been hurt a bit, but he can't risk having it fall further. I think pre-season, he was a definite top 5 or ever top 3 pick. I think he falls closer to 10 now.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I think in the eyes of NBA GMs his wrist injury will give him a pass on his slight downfall in play. They will tend to remember his highs at the beginning of the season. I definitely see him going in the top 10 but possibly as high as 3 depending on team need.
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I think in the eyes of NBA GMs his wrist injury will give him a pass on his slight downfall in play. They will tend to remember his highs at the beginning of the season. I definitely see him going in the top 10 but possibly as high as 3 depending on team need.

He did play better early, but how much of that was contributed to playing a glorified high school team for half of the games? He had many struggles early. The kid can score and score quickly, but there is just SOOOO much more to basketball than that. Do you know how many players in the NBA can score if they get the shots and have an offense run for them? He will get picked high, but when they start breaking down tape and evaluate him, he will slip a bit, but some team will see the athleticism and not be able to let him go. If he gets drafted in the top 3, that GM will be fired within 2 seasons.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Deron as a player > EJ as a player


Are you comparing a 2nd year NBA player to a college freshman?

Or are you making this comparison to when Williams was a junior (Gordon a freshman) and the NBA would finally draft him?

Or are you making a fair comparison at all? Like when they are (were) both freshmen in college?

If you made a fair comparison, and chose number 3, then your assessment should look like this:

EJ as a player > Deron as a player

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As much as I like wishful thinking, there is no way EJ hangs out, risking a multi-million dollar contract to injury. Sure would be nice though!
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Think if the Pacers had a top 3 pick in the lottery they wouldn't draft a local kid?
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Deron as a player > EJ as a player


Are you comparing a 2nd year NBA player to a college freshman?

Or are you making this comparison to when Williams was a junior (Gordon a freshman) and the NBA would finally draft him?

Or are you making a fair comparison at all? Like when they are (were) both freshmen in college?

If you made a fair comparison, and chose number 3, then your assessment should look like this:

EJ as a player > Deron as a player

I was comparing them as when they were or are probably leaving for the NBA. My argument is that Deron Williams has more playing skill (shooting, passing, dribbling) than Eric Gordon does, even at a young age, but that EJ is just more athletic and can over come those things at the college level. Williams has and had such a feel for the game that he makes up for the athleticism disadvantage (even though he is a pretty darn good athlete himself). EJ was further along as a freshman, but is he guaranteed to improve at the same rate? Has he really improve this year as the year has went on?

My point is that Gordon will get drafted on his athleticism with the hopes that everything else catches up. Williams was drafted as a complete player which is why he went as high as he did (#3 I think).
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Think if the Pacers had a top 3 pick in the lottery they wouldn't draft a local kid?

I'd put money on it. It'd be a positive step in the way the community views the Pacers, but I don't think it'd really do much to improve an already horrible team.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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