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What are Gordons chances of staying?
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Jazen Feb 26 2008, 03:25 PM Post #16
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There's no doubt Williams can run the floor with the best of them (Kidd, Nash, etc), and I guess it all depends on what a team needs.

If I knew what I know now, and I had my pick, I'd still take Gordon on the college level, even if it was for only one year.

And you're right, Williams was the 3rd pick, not the second. ^_^
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He ain't staying. It took Deron Williams 3 years to make himself a worthy pick in the draft (3rd overall).

Even as a freshman, EJ's raw talent makes Williams look like Carson Cunningham.

I was having a decent day, and then you had to remind me of Carson Cunningham.... *shivers* He had Kobe visions trapped inside the body of a slow, awkward, white guy.
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There's no doubt Williams can run the floor with the best of them (Kidd, Nash, etc), and I guess it all depends on what a team needs.

If I knew what I know now, and I had my pick, I'd still take Gordon on the college level, even if it was for only one year.

And you're right, Williams was the 3rd pick, not the second. ^_^

Well I'd expect an IU fan to take Gordon over an Illinois player any day of the week. I think you are very much wrong, but thats a personal opinion and you can have it. I'd rather start with a heady, skilled PG (not many of them around) then a high quantity scoring guard (plenty more of those around). Those are just differences in opinions of play style and likings. Gordon is a good start to a lot of teams, but not one that I would want to build.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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He ain't staying.  It took Deron Williams 3 years to make himself a worthy pick in the draft (3rd overall).

Even as a freshman, EJ's raw talent makes Williams look like Carson Cunningham.

I was having a decent day, and then you had to remind me of Carson Cunningham.... *shivers* He had Kobe visions trapped inside the body of a slow, awkward, white guy.

Well, I did say raw talent..

I doubt if Gordon will ever be as smart as Williams 'on the floor'.

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There's no doubt Williams can run the floor with the best of them (Kidd, Nash, etc), and I guess it all depends on what a team needs.

If I knew what I know now, and I had my pick, I'd still take Gordon on the college level, even if it was for only one year. 

And you're right, Williams was the 3rd pick, not the second.  ^_^

Well I'd expect an IU fan to take Gordon over an Illinois player any day of the week. I think you are very much wrong, but thats a personal opinion and you can have it. I'd rather start with a heady, skilled PG (not many of them around) then a high quantity scoring guard (plenty more of those around). Those are just differences in opinions of play style and likings. Gordon is a good start to a lot of teams, but not one that I would want to build.

IU and Illinois really have nothing to do with it, dc.

I'd take Beasley over Gordon in a heartbeat.
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There's no doubt Williams can run the floor with the best of them (Kidd, Nash, etc), and I guess it all depends on what a team needs.

If I knew what I know now, and I had my pick, I'd still take Gordon on the college level, even if it was for only one year. 

And you're right, Williams was the 3rd pick, not the second.  ^_^

Well I'd expect an IU fan to take Gordon over an Illinois player any day of the week. I think you are very much wrong, but thats a personal opinion and you can have it. I'd rather start with a heady, skilled PG (not many of them around) then a high quantity scoring guard (plenty more of those around). Those are just differences in opinions of play style and likings. Gordon is a good start to a lot of teams, but not one that I would want to build.

IU and Illinois really have nothing to do with it, dc.

I'd take Beasley over Gordon in a heartbeat.

I will take White for 4 years over Beasley in less than a heartbeat, I will take Carl Landry over Beasley if Beasley is only there for 1 year.
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There's no doubt Williams can run the floor with the best of them (Kidd, Nash, etc), and I guess it all depends on what a team needs.

If I knew what I know now, and I had my pick, I'd still take Gordon on the college level, even if it was for only one year. 

And you're right, Williams was the 3rd pick, not the second.  ^_^

Well I'd expect an IU fan to take Gordon over an Illinois player any day of the week. I think you are very much wrong, but thats a personal opinion and you can have it. I'd rather start with a heady, skilled PG (not many of them around) then a high quantity scoring guard (plenty more of those around). Those are just differences in opinions of play style and likings. Gordon is a good start to a lot of teams, but not one that I would want to build.

IU and Illinois really have nothing to do with it, dc.

I'd take Beasley over Gordon in a heartbeat.

I will take White for 4 years over Beasley in less than a heartbeat, I will take Carl Landry over Beasley if Beasley is only there for 1 year.

The topic of discussion is NBA prospects, in which case, Beasley has to be the consensus #1 pick.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Think if the Pacers had a top 3 pick in the lottery they wouldn't draft a local kid?

I'd put money on it. It'd be a positive step in the way the community views the Pacers, but I don't think it'd really do much to improve an already horrible team.

Didn't the Pacers pick Reggie Miller over Alford?



I'd say that "gamble" worked out pretty well for them in the long run!
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There's no doubt Williams can run the floor with the best of them (Kidd, Nash, etc), and I guess it all depends on what a team needs.

If I knew what I know now, and I had my pick, I'd still take Gordon on the college level, even if it was for only one year. 

And you're right, Williams was the 3rd pick, not the second.  ^_^

Well I'd expect an IU fan to take Gordon over an Illinois player any day of the week. I think you are very much wrong, but thats a personal opinion and you can have it. I'd rather start with a heady, skilled PG (not many of them around) then a high quantity scoring guard (plenty more of those around). Those are just differences in opinions of play style and likings. Gordon is a good start to a lot of teams, but not one that I would want to build.

IU and Illinois really have nothing to do with it, dc.

I'd take Beasley over Gordon in a heartbeat.

Well, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I would love for Gordon to do well in the NBA, he is from my hometown city, and its always good for the Indiana basketball reputation. I just have serious doubts about his impact at the next level. He has a lot of work to do, which I'm sure he will do it, but he is a ways off from being what is expected of him. Lets hope the pressure doesn't get to him.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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Think if the Pacers had a top 3 pick in the lottery they wouldn't draft a local kid?

I'd put money on it. It'd be a positive step in the way the community views the Pacers, but I don't think it'd really do much to improve an already horrible team.

Didn't the Pacers pick Reggie Miller over Alford?



I'd say that "gamble" worked out pretty well for them in the long run!

Reggie Miller was as good of a player as Alford from day 1. Thats not what I'm saying, I just don't think that Gordon would do the Pacers much good. With the pieces that we have in place, I don't like the fit, nothing against Gordon or anything at all. I'm just not sold on his game at the NBA level, and think if the Pacers have that high of a pick could possibly get somebody better.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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Like I said originally, hopefully the NBA sees it the way some of you guys do. I'd like to see him stick around for a few more years.

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Like I said originally, hopefully the NBA sees it the way some of you guys do. I'd like to see him stick around for a few more years.

:cheers:

I'd actually prefer him to leave :lol: .

He will get drafted high, there is no doubt in my mind about that. You can't pass up that athleticism and shooting touch at the 8,9, or 10 spots of the draft. My opinion is that he lacks the skills of the game to succeed at the NBA level. He has a nice shot, but it doesn't seem very consistent. He doesn't handle the ball particularly well (even before the injury) and doesn't pass particularly well. I guess that is stuff that can be worked on, but who knows. I haven't seen much improvement 25 games into a college career.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

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I wonder what he'd look like if he stayed until his junior year.. and then left?

I'b be willing to find out.
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I wonder what he'd look like if he stayed until his junior year.. and then left?

I'b be willing to find out.

POY candidate if he stayed until JR year.
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I wonder what he'd look like if he stayed until his junior year.. and then left?

I'b be willing to find out.

It really depends on his coach and who was around him. I don't see his scoring getting anything over 25 a game. He would probably cut his turnovers down. Its hard to say, people develop and grow at different rates. I can't say that he would improve his game as much as a player like Keaton Grant did from last year to this year. Its possible, but hard to say. He seems a lot like he did a year ago when I watched him in HS, still makes many of the same mistakes.
“He’s always been a guy — maybe to a fault — he would always try to do what I said. That seems like something simple in coaching, but those are the guys I hang my hat on. We’ve had some guys in our program, we had a couple guys that felt I had a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. And they were right — I do have a bias towards E’Twaun Moore. I like guys that go to class, that are academic All-Americans, that come early, that stay late, that love the game of basketball. I am biased towards those guys. And I’m biased towards Rob Hummel. But I’m also biased towards their habits, their work ethic, and how they carry themselves."

"I’d take him to the ends of the earth — I’d want him playing for me.” - Bo Ryan on Robbie Hummel

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