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Around the Horn; Final Question...
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Mr Gray Feb 28 2008, 11:22 AM Post #16
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Seriuosly,

Final four IU or Purdue not likely. IU has the talent but does not play as a team. Purdue would need a imploded bracket and a few lucky bounces to reach the elite 8 or final four. The lack of size inside for Purdue will hurt us when we get to the sweet 16. IU just has to many internal problems right now. IU down 4 in the tourney with 1:30 to go against a strong team in the sweet 16 will fold. I believe both teams make the sweet 16. Hell Indiana could have three teams in the sweet 16. IU wins by 10 or more in East Lansing then i will say they could make a elite 8 run because one never knows how the brackets will shake out. Purdue will make a good showing and be ready for a run next year.

Boiler, it's real simple. IU has a shot at Final Four. Purdue does not. There is really no argument on this at all.
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BoilerTheFU Feb 28 2008, 11:39 AM Post #17
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Seriuosly,

Final four IU or Purdue not likely.  IU has the talent but does not play as a team.  Purdue would need a imploded bracket and a few lucky bounces to reach the elite 8 or final four.  The lack of size inside for Purdue will hurt us when we get to the sweet 16.  IU just has to many internal problems right now.  IU down 4 in the tourney with 1:30 to go against a strong team in the sweet 16 will fold.  I believe both teams make the sweet 16.  Hell Indiana could have three teams in the sweet 16.  IU wins by 10 or more in East Lansing then i will say they could make a elite 8 run because one never knows how the brackets will shake out.  Purdue will make a good showing and be ready for a run next year.

Boiler, it's real simple. IU has a shot at Final Four. Purdue does not. There is really no argument on this at all.

Anyone has a shot... you can not say IU has more of a shot then Purdue does, George Mason? Anything can happen thats what is so great about the dance.
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Seriuosly,

Final four IU or Purdue not likely.  IU has the talent but does not play as a team.  Purdue would need a imploded bracket and a few lucky bounces to reach the elite 8 or final four.  The lack of size inside for Purdue will hurt us when we get to the sweet 16.  IU just has to many internal problems right now.  IU down 4 in the tourney with 1:30 to go against a strong team in the sweet 16 will fold.  I believe both teams make the sweet 16.  Hell Indiana could have three teams in the sweet 16.  IU wins by 10 or more in East Lansing then i will say they could make a elite 8 run because one never knows how the brackets will shake out.  Purdue will make a good showing and be ready for a run next year.

Boiler, it's real simple. IU has a shot at Final Four. Purdue does not. There is really no argument on this at all.

Anyone has a shot... you can not say IU has more of a shot then Purdue does, George Mason? Anything can happen thats what is so great about the dance.

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Its just ridiculous statements are clouding up the air around here. Purdue has just as much chance to make a Final Four as IU does right now. The truth of it is, you won't know until the brackets are set up, but right now both Purdue and IU are slated as 4 seeds. You'll have a better idea of how things will shake out when you see the teams that your going to play, but even then anything can happen. I would never have expected a win at the Kohl Center this year either, but it happened. <_<
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It's hard to sit here and say who WILL go how far in the tourney, but it is easy to say how far they CAN go. For example, IU has the talent and CAN win the NCAA title, but WILL they? That depends on a lot of other mitigating factors. A lot comes down to the seeding, match-ups on their side of the bracket, etc. If we have a high enough seed (i.e. a 3 seed) and somehow end up on a weak bracket, then ya, the Final Four is within reach.
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It's hard for me seeing IU or PU making it pass the Sweet 16. I think I more realisitic possibility is which team will win the BTT. I just don't see a Big Ten team loosing the BTT and making it to the final four. The competition will be a lot harder.
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Seriuosly,

Final four IU or Purdue not likely.  IU has the talent but does not play as a team.  Purdue would need a imploded bracket and a few lucky bounces to reach the elite 8 or final four.  The lack of size inside for Purdue will hurt us when we get to the sweet 16.  IU just has to many internal problems right now.  IU down 4 in the tourney with 1:30 to go against a strong team in the sweet 16 will fold.  I believe both teams make the sweet 16.  Hell Indiana could have three teams in the sweet 16.  IU wins by 10 or more in East Lansing then i will say they could make a elite 8 run because one never knows how the brackets will shake out.  Purdue will make a good showing and be ready for a run next year.

Boiler, it's real simple. IU has a shot at Final Four. Purdue does not. There is really no argument on this at all.

That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Why? Because they have IU on their jerseys? If IU has a chance so does Purdue. In fact anyone who makes the tourney has a chance. Get off your damn high horse.
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It's hard for me seeing IU or PU making it pass the Sweet 16. I think I more realisitic possibility is which team will win the BTT. I just don't see a Big Ten team loosing the BTT and making it to the final four. The competition will be a lot harder.

My prediction is whichever two teams don't make it to the final game of the BTT out of the top 4, make the longest run in the NCAAs. Three games in three days is an absolute killer, especially for a young team like Purdue and a not so deep team like IU.
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Your right it is IU for heavens sake. I mean Purdue must be lucky to even get invited to the BTT right. Purdue has 6 losses IU 4. three of our losses Missouri, Iowa ST and Wofford we fucked up where not ready to compete for the entire game. We have improved. Purdue has the inexperience thing going against us in the later rounds of the NCAA coach is in his third year at a big time program and we are the youngest team in the nation I understand that. Like I said for Purdue to get to the elite 8 or the god forbid final the bracket would have to implode. It has happened before! 2000 UNC was a 8 seed and made it to the final four. Last year Wisky was a 2 seed sent home by a 10 seed UNLV. I believe 2004 in the same bracket the 1 and 2 seed went out of the same region. Last year many close 1/8/9 games Xavier OT with OSU Purdue took Florida to the wire. MSU took whoever they played to the wire. IU took 2 seed UCLA to the wire. The bracket could implode and Purdue gets a break. 1998 Stanford played RhodeIsland for the regional title. RHode Island played Valpo for the elite eight spot. If Purdue is a three seed and2 seed is out before the sweet 16 and the one falls we have a chance.

IU is FUCKING IU so sure pencil them into the final four. G'townwill destroy you with that guy who left ur program what was his name. Memphis will run u off the court. Carolina with lawson back goodbye depends on the bracket and countless factors. 18 turnovers against a solid team on a neutral court that will work out real nice for you. I understand you guys want a final four run but you do not have the coach for it. Your coach was a great hustle player at IU 22 years ago. He is lucky to have a job.

IU does have better odds than Purdue but neith has over a 30% chance. You think ESPN was talking about IU because they play Mich ST on ESPN this weekend hyping the game. They do that you know. Funny how they always talk about games that they ESPN/ESPN2 or ABC air kinda internal promotion don't u clowns have a Marketing school.

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Seriuosly,

Final four IU or Purdue not likely.  IU has the talent but does not play as a team.  Purdue would need a imploded bracket and a few lucky bounces to reach the elite 8 or final four.  The lack of size inside for Purdue will hurt us when we get to the sweet 16.  IU just has to many internal problems right now.  IU down 4 in the tourney with 1:30 to go against a strong team in the sweet 16 will fold.  I believe both teams make the sweet 16.  Hell Indiana could have three teams in the sweet 16.  IU wins by 10 or more in East Lansing then i will say they could make a elite 8 run because one never knows how the brackets will shake out.  Purdue will make a good showing and be ready for a run next year.

Boiler, it's real simple. IU has a shot at Final Four. Purdue does not. There is really no argument on this at all.

That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Why? Because they have IU on their jerseys? If IU has a chance so does Purdue. In fact anyone who makes the tourney has a chance. Get off your damn high horse.

"In fact anyone who makes the tournament has a chance"

Does Alabama State have a chance? B)
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Seriuosly,

Final four IU or Purdue not likely.  IU has the talent but does not play as a team.  Purdue would need a imploded bracket and a few lucky bounces to reach the elite 8 or final four.  The lack of size inside for Purdue will hurt us when we get to the sweet 16.  IU just has to many internal problems right now.  IU down 4 in the tourney with 1:30 to go against a strong team in the sweet 16 will fold.  I believe both teams make the sweet 16.  Hell Indiana could have three teams in the sweet 16.  IU wins by 10 or more in East Lansing then i will say they could make a elite 8 run because one never knows how the brackets will shake out.  Purdue will make a good showing and be ready for a run next year.

Boiler, it's real simple. IU has a shot at Final Four. Purdue does not. There is really no argument on this at all.

That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Why? Because they have IU on their jerseys? If IU has a chance so does Purdue. In fact anyone who makes the tourney has a chance. Get off your damn high horse.

"In fact anyone who makes the tournament has a chance"

Does Alabama State have a chance? B)

Yeah, you are right Purdue is on the same level as Alabama State, we have no chance. I don't even know what these people are thinking by actually putting us in the tournament, we obviously won't be able to win a game or go anywhere.

I think the NCAA should propose a rule that just automatically puts IU in the final four because they are so talented, its going to happen anyways.

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Yeah, you are right Purdue is on the same level as Alabama State, we have no chance. I don't even know what these people are thinking by actually putting us in the tournament, we obviously won't be able to win a game or go anywhere.

I think the NCAA should propose a rule that just automatically puts IU in the final four because they are so talented, its going to happen anyways.

Am I at Peegs today or what?

Haha now you know how I feel DC.

we should probably deny our bid to the NCAA and accept a bid to the NIT just to save face...
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Yeah, you are right Purdue is on the same level as Alabama State, we have no chance. I don't even know what these people are thinking by actually putting us in the tournament, we obviously won't be able to win a game or go anywhere.

I think the NCAA should propose a rule that just automatically puts IU in the final four because they are so talented, its going to happen anyways.

Am I at Peegs today or what?

Haha now you know how I feel DC.

we should probably deny our bid to the NCAA and accept a bid to the NIT just to save face...

Eh, NIT is stretching it. There are still some talented teams there that would wipe our untalented, hack of a team. I mean, we foul every time down the court. We will probably have to bring our cheerleaders into the game in the NCAAs if refs actually calls fouls. Which apparently they don't call fouls on us, but everybody else in the conference.
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I think people are saying we have a better chance to go to the Final 4 than Purdue are actually correct. I don't think IU will make it to the Final 4, but I think that our team gives us a better shot. We have 2 players on our team that are All-American candidates and can carry us through the tourney. I wouldn't pencil IU into the Final 4 either. But our team has good guards, and a presence down low with DJ. Our team is just a little better suited to make a run. Doesn't mean we will and you won't. Stop being so sensitive about it.
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I think people are saying we have a better chance to go to the Final 4 than Purdue are actually correct. I don't think IU will make it to the Final 4, but I think that our team gives us a better shot. We have 2 players on our team that are All-American candidates and can carry us through the tourney. I wouldn't pencil IU into the Final 4 either. But our team has good guards, and a presence down low with DJ. Our team is just a little better suited to make a run. Doesn't mean we will and you won't. Stop being so sensitive about it.

You guys rely on two players to score two thirds of your points. They are very good players, and DJ White is great, but he has also been going against a league void of good big men.

I'm sorry but having a two good guards and a very inconsistent freshman guard doesn't constitutes good guard play. Gordon won't shoot 14 free throws in a tournament game.

Honestly, IU needs a good draw and then to have a game like they played against Duke in the '02 tournament to make the Final Four. I can't see this team beating three good teams in a row away from home, which is more than likely what will have to happen to get to the final four.

I honestly believe that Purdue has as good of a chance because of our balance and depth. Relying on two players to be on their games and get 20 points a game every game is a recipe for disaster against good teams.

But as I've said, arguing with an IU fan about this is pretty pointless, but I'm bored and need something to do. Its like talking to a brick wall, but whatever. You guys enjoy your team and have confidence them.
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I think people are saying we have a better chance to go to the Final 4 than Purdue are actually correct. I don't think IU will make it to the Final 4, but I think that our team gives us a better shot. We have 2 players on our team that are All-American candidates and can carry us through the tourney. I wouldn't pencil IU into the Final 4 either. But our team has good guards, and a presence down low with DJ. Our team is just a little better suited to make a run. Doesn't mean we will and you won't. Stop being so sensitive about it.

Its not that you have a better chance, its that they think you are more likely too go to the final four, there is a difference. I disagree, however, IU makes lots of turnovers, and with mainly a 2 player team, its easier to focus your defense. You have 2 big wins and thats about it, one to Purdue on your own court and the other @OSU which is not exactly a great team. There is nothing in your resume which really says final 4 team. Purdue at least has the win @ wisconsin which is a hell of a road game to have on your resume. I think IU fans are getting a little ahead of themselves. What we're sensitive of is comments like aaronk2727's about us having no chance and IU has a shot which is utter garbage.
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