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sirbrianwilson May 7 2008, 12:05 PM Post #31
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you can't deny that the high turnout rates in ALL demographics has a lot to do with the bush administration as well. this isn't some boring 1996 election. the movement we're seeing might yield the highest november turnout rate in the nation's history. that is, if the republicans actually show up, which they haven't been.

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BoilerNLA May 7 2008, 12:10 PM Post #32
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which brings up a good question.... In States that have "Open Primaries", how to they determine the voter turn out precentages by party? I'm sure alot of Repubs voted for Hillary yesterday in Indiana.
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they know how many are registered under which party and they know how many switched parties. not too difficult to calculate. i'm surprised the republicans haven't talked more about their poor voter turnout this primary season. whenever it's brought up the conversation always turns to, "well, the would-be hillary voters will cross over and vote mccain."

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May 7 2008, 12:05 PM
you can't deny that the high turnout rates in ALL demographics has a lot to do with the bush administration as well.

That seems like an odd statement coming from a guy who said
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once you produce some evidence that shows that the color of obama's skin was the deciding, above and beyond, number one factor in why african americans cast their vote for obama, it's all speculation


Which "world" are you in again Brian?
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sirbrianwilson May 7 2008, 12:23 PM Post #35
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you can't deny that the high turnout rates in ALL demographics has a lot to do with the bush administration as well.

That seems like an odd statement coming from a guy who said
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i don't work in the world of opinions
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once you produce some evidence that shows that the color of obama's skin was the deciding, above and beyond, number one factor in why african americans cast their vote for obama, it's all speculation


Which "world" are you in again Brian?

this world: http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

next?

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frankwhite6 May 7 2008, 12:29 PM Post #36
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you can't deny that the high turnout rates in ALL demographics has a lot to do with the bush administration as well. this isn't some boring 1996 election. the movement we're seeing might yield the highest november turnout rate in the nation's history. that is, if the republicans actually show up, which they haven't been.

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So you can't deny your assumptions that aren't based upon "the facts." Yet the others that have made assumptions or stated their opinions are told to produce "evidence that shows" what they are saying isn't just speculation.

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Mr Gray May 7 2008, 12:37 PM Post #37
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would it be offensive or any different if i said, "born again christians display quite possibly the lowest form of political education in this country given that they make every effort to show no individual political thought. faith based politics is merely a way of expressing one's content to blindly follow whatever someone in a bunch of robes tells them every sunday."?

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no, it would not be offensive to me at all, but I am not like the whiney, cry-babies out there in society who cry to the ACLU every time they get their feelings hurt, because they aren't self-assured and strong enough to create an ounce of thick skin when someone doesn't agree with them.

If you made that statement as regarding born again christians as fact, I would say that you are wrong or ask for proof. If you made that statement as an opinion, I would say I disagree with you and show why.
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Mr Gray May 7 2008, 12:38 PM Post #38
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sirbrianwilson
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you can't deny that the high turnout rates in ALL demographics has a lot to do with the bush administration as well.

That seems like an odd statement coming from a guy who said
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i don't work in the world of opinions
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once you produce some evidence that shows that the color of obama's skin was the deciding, above and beyond, number one factor in why african americans cast their vote for obama, it's all speculation


Which "world" are you in again Brian?

this world: http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

next?

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am I missing the part where it says Bush's approval rating is definitely causing higher voter turnout? I'm still looking for that "evidence" that you claim defines an argument.
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frankwhite6 May 7 2008, 12:42 PM Post #39
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sirbrianwilson
May 7 2008, 12:05 PM
you can't deny that the high turnout rates in ALL demographics has a lot to do with the bush administration as well.

That seems like an odd statement coming from a guy who said
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i don't work in the world of opinions
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once you produce some evidence that shows that the color of obama's skin was the deciding, above and beyond, number one factor in why african americans cast their vote for obama, it's all speculation


Which "world" are you in again Brian?

this world: http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

next?

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am I missing the part where it says Bush's approval rating is definitely causing higher voter turnout? I'm still looking for that "evidence" that you claim defines an argument.

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alright then, fair enough. i'll retract my Bush statement. but still point to the republicans pathetic turnout rate as an indication that they have a LONGGGGGGGG way to go to bring in a win in november.

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alright then, fair enough. i'll retract my Bush statement. but still point to the republicans pathetic turnout rate as an indication that they have a LONGGGGGGGG way to go to bring in a win in november.

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agreed. I'm hoping that the reason for the turnout is not that they have mostly passed away..... :(
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which brings up a good question.... In States that have "Open Primaries", how to they determine the voter turn out precentages by party? I'm sure alot of Repubs voted for Hillary yesterday in Indiana.

NLA, you need to take this up with Eel. Yesterday he said Limbaugh is "irrelevant."
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ok, I said this before, but you guys obviously didn't listen. So, I will try again. These black people that you are talking about are for the most part liberal democrats. They are going to vote democrat in the primary and they are going to vote democrat in the general. As a democrat they are choosing between two people whose platforms are virtually the same, so does it really make them racist to vote for Obama? I mean c'mon lets be honest with ourselves here. If you had to choose between two people who were virtually the same on every policy would you not be inclined to vote for the person who was most like you?

Also think about this. Many of these same blacks voted for John Kerry in 2004. So were they not racist then, and all of the sudden are now racist?

Hogville, 92% of black men and women voted for Obama over Hillary, the wife of our "first black president", a man who garnered almost 90% of the black vote. If you, Brian, Eel, and NLA can't admit this statistical data STRONGLY suggests black voters are voting for a black candidate, then you have some serious issues you need to work through. That's why I'm here. :D

I thought this thread might spark more thoughtful debate, not you guys throwing hissy fits and acting like your intelligence has been insulted, and "worst poll ever", and I'm the racist. Get a grip, guys.

92% for Obama, and 8% for Hillary... What does it take for you guys to be reasonable here. How about 98% for Obama? Or would you still assert that blacks are just voting for the best candidate? I think some of you have lost a lot of credibility on this issue.
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This is poll is based such a loaded question and it does this thread a disservice. However, it seems to me that this is a moot point all things considered. You can use this argument to paint distinctions with any group. Women are more sexist then men because they vote for Hillary. NC whites are racist because a majority of them voted for a white candidate, etc etc etc. The number wouldn't be something I was to concerned about its a sociological fact that when you have a situation where you're unclear on the issues or torn on the issues you tend to stick to those things that are most like you. Whether this is good or bad for the political system is another conversation entirely.

A lot of people don't vote on the issues white or black, they vote on who knows what. I mean I can count in double digits people I know that vote strait ticket republican year in and year out just because thats the way they and their family has always done it. I know democrats that do the same thing as well. The majority of the voter base I would say is uneducated on the issues, when that happens people look for comfort some trait or characteristic they can identify with. I don't think it is an indication of whether or not blacks are more racist than whites or visa versa. I don't think it is a statistic that claims superiority for either side.

My two cents! B)
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This is poll is based such a loaded question and it does this thread a disservice. However, it seems to me that this is a moot point all things considered. You can use this  argument to paint distinctions with any group. Women are more sexist then men because they vote for Hillary. NC whites are racist because a majority of them voted for a white candidate, etc etc etc. The number wouldn't be something I was to concerned about its a sociological fact that when you have a situation where you're unclear on the issues or torn on the issues you tend to stick to those things that are most like you. Whether this is good or bad for the political system is another conversation entirely.

A lot of people don't vote on the issues white or black, they vote on who knows what. I mean I can count in double digits people I know that vote strait ticket republican year in and year out just because thats the way they and their family has always done it. I know democrats that do the same thing as well. The majority of the voter base I would say is uneducated on the issues, when that happens people look for comfort some trait or characteristic they can identify with. I don't think it is an indication of whether or not blacks are more racist than whites or visa versa. I don't think it is a statistic that claims superiority for either side.

My two cents!  B)

This is exactly the type of response I was hoping to see, boilerup. Nicely done.

If I had worded the question, "Which NC group was influenced more by race when voting" Black or White, would people have responded better?

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


This poll is dead on for definition #2. I'll be waiting for some apologies from my political board friends. :cheers:
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